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Trayvon Martin, Vigilante Justice

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Ok just saw a judge on TV explain it. Second degree murder is not with the intent to kill. For example, your neighbor pisses you off so you throw a bowling ball down off an overpass at their car and it kills them, even though you didn't really intend to. Manslaughter is being grossly negligent that leads to death. Many drunk driving cases are this. Judge Alex Ferrer, former Florida circuit court judge.


So those definitions make a lot more sense. First is intending to kill. Second is attacking someone violently without intent to kill but they die anyway, and manslaughter is just being grossly risky with somebody else's life.
 
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Beerina said:
Ok just saw a judge on TV explain it. Second degree murder is not with the intent to kill. For example, your neighbor pisses you off so you throw a bowling ball down off an overpass at their car and it kills them, even though you didn't really intend to. Manslaughter is being grossly negligent that leads to death. Many drunk driving cases are this. Judge Alex Ferrer, former Florida circuit court judge.


So those definitions make a lot more sense. First is intending to kill. Second is attacking someone violently without intent to kill but they die anyway, and manslaughter is just being grossly risky with somebody else's life.
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Does first require premeditation?
 
Travis said:
If he had kept them the judge would order more competent council. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if that still happens.

If this goes to a jury Zimmerman would do well to admit he knows Martin did nothing to bring the situation on him but that he realized the kid thought he was being attacked and that, in turn, caused himself to panic when he thought the kid would go for his gun.

It might get enough sympathy for the hectic nature of the moment that Murder 2 won't be upheld.
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Luckily he won't have you representing him either :p.
 
Cylinder said:
Yes- though I'm not certain the judge has to approve a bench trial.
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But your quote doesn't say anything about jury/judge trial; it only states that he gets a speedy trial with competent counsel. In fact, it specifically mentions a "jury". Can an individual judge be considered a "jury"?
 
Natural Born Skeptic said:
If it's his nickname why would we assume it's anything other than innocent?
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I dunno but considered with the words he adnitted using to Martin on the night, his Die Fahne hoch website, the picture with the ****-eating grin he apparently put on his Bookface site after he shot Martin, one suspects he isn't too aware of how the image he presents looks.
 
Beerina said:
So those definitions make a lot more sense. First is intending to kill. Second is attacking someone violently without intent to kill but they die anyway, and manslaughter is just being grossly risky with somebody else's life.
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Interesting. In English law they're "murder," "voluntary manslaughter," and "involuntary manslaughter" respectively.
 
Beerina said:
So those definitions make a lot more sense. First is intending to kill. Second is attacking someone violently without intent to kill but they die anyway, and manslaughter is just being grossly risky with somebody else's life.
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Interesting. In English law they're "murder," "voluntary manslaughter" (although can actually include intent to kill), and "involuntary manslaughter" respectively.
 
lionking said:
You're kidding aren't you?

A racist nickname he has kept goes to his mindset. It will be raised in the trial I'm sure.
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No, and you should be the one that's kidding. If I'm white and I a have a black friend that calls me "my *****" as a joke among friends, and I in turn choose to go by the nickname "Jame's *****" among friends, that's my business and there's nothing remotely racist about it. Now if I start directing the N word at black people, that's an entirely different story.

It's actually the type of attitude your exhibiting that IMO actually exacerbates racism and gets so many people angry, where political correctness demand that we scream "racist" at someone when there is 0 call for it.

MY GF sometimes calls me "her bitch". It's a joke. If my friends all call me "Jane's bitch" and I'm OK with it because it's a joke, does it mean I'm a misogynist? Now if I call other women bitches all the time, it probably means I am.

See the difference?

BTW, GZ may be a racist for all I know. But this means nothing.
 
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Zimmerman charged with second degree murder

Come on Freepers, don't let me down:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2870893/posts

"They will have a tough time with this conviction. Even if everything is as the news media claim, a 3rd degree murder charge would be the maximum appropriate rap.
If you live anywhere near the area, be sure your fire insurance is paid up in the event things don't go the mob's way."
"Mob Rule"
"The first American Civil War started on April 12. Today is April 11.

What will tomorrow bring?"
"Well the jury must have some “white-hispanics” otherwise Zimmerman is not being judged by a jury of HIS peers."
"Figures. Goes with the lefts destruction of the 2nd Amendment. Accept that your life is in danger. Sit back and get killed. This reminds me of the Bernie Goetz case that Sharpton also ballooned up for money: Goetz eventually went to jail and was ordered to pay $42 MILLION to one of the punks who tried to stick a screwdriver into his head."
"Hey think of it this way:

The good news is two things:

1. All the evidence will come out.

2. All the evidence will come out.

But have no doubt they will have a 90% black jury and he will be convicted."
"We can hope that Zimmerman actually lives long enough to see a court trial. Once the evidence is introduced, even a jury of ignoramuses would see that Zimmerman was defending himself from the beating that Trayvon was giving him.

However, IF he ends up being acquitted (which he should be) there will be riots across the country that he should have been convicted. Black “yutes” will riot, loot businesses, burn cars and buildings, injure or kill anyone who gets in their way a la the Muslim “yutes” in France.

At this point, Holder and the biased DOJ will step in and charge him with a civil rights violation on manufactured evidence that will get Zimmerman thrown in jail for life + 2 billion years with no chance of parole!!

Thank God we’re a free country with a Constitution that guarantees our rights!"
{This douchenozzle included a sarcasm tag... oh please.}
"My wife and I watched this self-assured arrogant pig of a special prosecutor sing Al Sharpton’s tune, it was disgusting. Based on the black victim mentality and support of it from Obama and Holder, I would think twice about calling the police. Pick up your brass and walk away."

And that's just a taste from 36 replies in a 485 comment thread.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
At this point, Holder and the biased DOJ will step in and charge him with a civil rights violation on manufactured evidence that will get Zimmerman thrown in jail for life + 2 billion years with no chance of parole!!
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While I disagree with almost all of that, I do think the above is a sickening possibility. Love or hate the original verdict against the police officers in the Rodney King case, having the feds come in and retry him was a farce and the most egregious abuse of double jeopardy imaginable.

Edit: per UnrepentantSinner's request I am clarifying that what I am quoting above is not from him/her, it's something he was quoting.
 
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Am I the only one that finds the medias change of tune HILARIOUS?! For weeks nearly every article made sure to make this as inflammatory as possible, never missing an opportunity to point out the white man that gunned down a black boy with an iced tea and skittles. Now suddenly, almost every article has a headline or subject text that says something like "experts say prosecutors are going to have a tough case". Wait a minute, I thought it was an open and shut case of a racist white man gunning down a young boy with iced tea and skittles?
 
Natural Born Skeptic said:
Am I the only one that finds the medias change of tune HILARIOUS?! For weeks nearly every article made sure to make this as inflammatory as possible, never missing an opportunity to point out the white man that gunned down a black boy with an iced tea and skittles. Now suddenly, almost every article has a headline or subject text that says something like "experts say prosecutors are going to have a tough case". Wait a minute, I thought it was an open and shut case of a racist white man gunning down a young boy with iced tea and skittles?
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Got to keep the conflict going to make the story as interesting as possible. It has nothing to do with reality.
 
Natural Born Skeptic said:
Wait a minute, I thought it was an open and shut case of a racist white man gunning down a young boy with iced tea and skittles?
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The case that is made in the media is far, far different than the case that must be made in a court of law. But you know that which makes your post HILARIOUS?!
 
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