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Merged Roosevelt's Rotten Record:Communism, Treachery, Betrayal

The USAF didn't drop carpets.

SHC is just miffed that my dad's generation wiped the floor with his heroes. My dad was just 17 when he volunteered for the Air Force. I'm proud of what he did to defeat Hitler. He was braver than any Hitler hugger and truther like SHC. Armchair internet warriors. I wonder what SHC would have done if he had been a teenager back then?
 
Your post was inaccurate and severely biased. I fixed it for you.

Our internment camps were concentration camps, just as the British termed them during the Second Boer War forty years earlier. We used our concentration camps the same way the British used theirs - to prevent the civilian population from aiding the enemy effort.

You also have no evidence that the Tuskegee experiments were conducted without the Roosevelt administration's knowledge. Either way, our government was conducting incredibly cruel, immoral biological experiments on civilians, just the like Nazi government we were fighting in Europe.

I'm not sure why you'd want to try and defend that. Actually, I am.
 
Our internment camps were concentration camps, just as the British termed them during the Second Boer War forty years earlier. We used our concentration camps the same way the British used theirs - to prevent the civilian population from aiding the enemy effort.

You also have no evidence that the Tuskegee experiments were conducted without the Roosevelt administration's knowledge. Either way, our government was conducting incredibly cruel, immoral biological experiments on civilians, just the like Nazi government we were fighting in Europe.

I'm not sure why you'd want to try and defend that. Actually, I am.

Heil Hinkel!
 
Our internment camps were concentration camps, just as the British termed them during the Second Boer War forty years earlier. We used our concentration camps the same way the British used theirs - to prevent the civilian population from aiding the enemy effort.

You also have no evidence that the Tuskegee experiments were conducted without the Roosevelt administration's knowledge. Either way, our government was conducting incredibly cruel, immoral biological experiments on civilians, just the like Nazi government we were fighting in Europe.

I'm not sure why you'd want to try and defend that. Actually, I am.

Because like most normal human beings we hate Nazis!
 
Looking at some of the other threads that SHC is involved in perhaps it would be quicker if he gives us a list of the conspiracy theories that he doesn't believe in. I'm sure it would be a short list.
 
No, but Sir Arthur Harris and Churchill took the final decision.

Really? Harris and Churchill had the ultimate, final decision over whether or not our military assets would be used to murder women and children in Germany? You mean it wasn't the Roosevelt administration's decision to send our bombers over there and subordinate them to the British command structure?

Who took the decision to bomb Coventry and Liverpool? Who bombed who first? Hint- you can find the answers in a history book.

In other words, for you, murdering women and children isn't immoral in and of itself, it's only immoral if the enemy doesn't do it first?
 
Really? Harris and Churchill had the ultimate, final decision over whether or not our military assets would be used to murder women and children in Germany? You mean it wasn't the Roosevelt administration's decision to send our bombers over there and subordinate them to the British command structure?



In other words, for you, murdering women and children isn't immoral in and of itself, it's only immoral if the enemy doesn't do it first?

Hitler started it. He was responsible for it all. They were terrible times. Whose side would you have been on if you had been alive back then? I would have fought against Hitler. What would you have done? It's easy to sit there and pontificate in your parent's basement.
 
Carpet bombing women and children (Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin, etc...)


Conveniently ignoring the very real economic effects the nighttime raids by Bomber Command had on Germany's war efforts—effects which I have posted details on numerous times before.

Conveniently ignoring the very real economic effects the daylight raids by the USAAF had on the German war economy (with the attacks on transportation and oil being particularly important).

Conveniently ignoring that in an industrial nation-state engaged in total war the distinction between civilian and military is blurry at best. The military could not exist nor operate without the efforts of the civilian workforce and economy. No civilians, no economy; no economy, no military; no military, no war.

And lastly, conveniently ignoring how the Germans were the first to let loose with area bombing in WWII, e.g. Coventry, Rotterdam, etc.
 
Conveniently ignoring the very real economic effects the nighttime raids by Bomber Command had on Germany's war efforts—effects which I have posted details on numerous times before.

Conveniently ignoring the very real economic effects the daylight raids by the USAAF had on the German war economy (with the attacks on transportation and oil being particularly important).

Conveniently ignoring that in an industrial nation-state engaged in total war the distinction between civilian and military is blurry at best. The military could not exist nor operate without the efforts of the civilian workforce and economy. No civilians, no economy; no economy, no military; no military, no war.

And lastly, conveniently ignoring how the Germans were the first to let loose with area bombing in WWII, e.g. Coventry, Rotterdam, etc.

SHC will forgive Hitler anything, while at the same time ignoring history and reality. Still, we are boosting his ego by responding to him. It's an act of charity. He needs it, poor chap.
 
Hitler started it. He was responsible for it all.

No, not really. England and France declared war on Germany. I say they are partially responsible, especially considering the fact that Hitler and the rise of the Nazis was a direct result of the unfair terms of the Treaty of Versailles. They reaped what they sowed.

They were terrible times. Whose side would you have been on if you had been alive back then?

I wouldn't have chosen a side, as I don't support tyrannical governments.

I would have fought against Hitler.

How, by bombing innocent women and children who have no control over their oppressive government?

What would you have done? It's easy to sit there and pontificate in your parent's basement.

I would have fled the country, went to jail, or eaten a bullet before I would have donned the uniform of a country led by a scumbag tyrant like Roosevelt.
 
No, not really. England and France declared war on Germany. I say they are partially responsible, especially considering the fact that Hitler and the rise of the Nazis was a direct result of the unfair terms of the Treaty of Versailles. They reaped what they sowed.

Does the phrase 'invasion of Poland' mean anything to you? Have you never read Mein Kampf?

I would have fled the country, went to jail, or eaten a bullet before I would have donned the uniform of a country led by a scumbag tyrant like Roosevelt.

Ah, so you are a conscientious objector. Luckily most of my dad's generation were not. He was worth a hundred of you. Would you have fought for Hitler if you had been a German back then?
 
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Conveniently ignoring the very real economic effects the nighttime raids by Bomber Command had on Germany's war efforts—effects which I have posted details on numerous times before.

Conveniently ignoring the very real economic effects the daylight raids by the USAAF had on the German war economy (with the attacks on transportation and oil being particularly important).

Conveniently ignoring that in an industrial nation-state engaged in total war the distinction between civilian and military is blurry at best. The military could not exist nor operate without the efforts of the civilian workforce and economy. No civilians, no economy; no economy, no military; no military, no war.

So, what you're saying is, murder of civilians is OK/justified/acceptable as long as it provides economic advantages during wartime?

I imagine Hitler might have said the same thing.

And lastly, conveniently ignoring how the Germans were the first to let loose with area bombing in WWII, e.g. Coventry, Rotterdam, etc.

This makes it OK, right? The Germans were so awful and terrible, we just had to copy them and employ their tactics (concentration camps, terror bombing, etc...) to win?
 
ftfy. It was British Bomber Command who took the decision to bomb Dresden, in retaliation for Coventry.


No, it wasn't in retaliation for Coventry. Nothing of the sort. The Dresden raid was just another attack on a German city, of the kind the RAF had been conducting for years.

Contrary to certain myths about the event, there was nothing special in the planning and execution of the Dresden mission. The aircraft carried the mix of high explosive and incendiary bombs typical of raids of the period, and crews followed the same standard procedures used in such attacks. Also contrary to myth is the idea that Dresden was some peaceful, idyllic city devoid of military targets. There were in fact a number of factories within the city devoted to the war effort. That it was a fresh water port and transportation hub also made it militarily significant.

Lastly, the only reason Dresden stands out was because of the freak occurrence of a firestorm, which produced casualties much higher than would have otherwise been the case. But firestorms were rare and unpredictable events which could not be generated on command. Indeed, during the entire war there were perhaps only a dozen firestorms arising from the hundreds upon hundreds of bombing raids undertaken. Had there been no firestorm in Dresden the raid itself would be little more than a footnote in the bombing campaign anals. Example: how many people are aware that the very next night after Dresden the Allies conducted a major raid against Chemnitz?
 
This makes it OK, right? The Germans were so awful and terrible, we just had to copy them and employ their tactics (concentration camps, terror bombing, etc...) to win?

What would you have done in retaliation? Invited Hitler over for tea and a chat? We were involved in a life or death struggle with a maniacal dictator. You seem to think that it was all a game.
 
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No, it wasn't in retaliation for Coventry. Nothing of the sort. The Dresden raid was just another attack on a German city, of the kind the RAF had been conducting for years.

Contrary to certain myths about the event, there was nothing special in the planning and execution of the Dresden mission. The aircraft carried the mix of high explosive and incendiary bombs typical of raids of the period, and crews followed the same standard procedures used in such attacks. Also contrary to myth is the idea that Dresden was some peaceful, idyllic city devoid of military targets. There were in fact a number of factories within the city devoted to the war effort. That it was a fresh water port and transportation hub also made it militarily significant.

Lastly, the only reason Dresden stands out was because of the freak occurrence of a firestorm, which produced casualties much higher than would have otherwise been the case. But firestorms were rare and unpredictable events which could not be generated on command. Indeed, during the entire war there were perhaps only a dozen firestorms arising from the hundreds upon hundreds of bombing raids undertaken. Had there been no firestorm in Dresden the raid itself would be little more than a footnote in the bombing campaign anals. Example: how many people are aware that the very next night after Dresden the Allies conducted a major raid against Chemnitz?

I stand corrected. I am willing to learn, unlike SHC
 
Does the phrase 'invasion of Poland' mean anything to you? Have you never read Mein Kampf?

Not, not really, since the Soviets invaded Poland the same month the Germans did. So why didn't England and France declare war on the Soviet Union? Was it possibly because protecting Polish sovereignty wasn't the real motivating factor behind their declaration of war?

I think so.

Ah, so you are a conscientious objector. Luckily most of my dad's generation were not. He was worth a hundred of you.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but your dad was military livestock (AKA, "cannon fodder"). He fought one evil empire to protect another evil empire, all for the enrichment of industrialists and bankers.

Would you have fought for Hitler if you had been a German back then?

Of course not. I would have fled Germany in the early years, because if I didn't, I would have ended up in a concentration camp or worse.
 
Sorry to burst your bubble, but your dad was military livestock (AKA, "cannon fodder"). He fought one evil empire to protect another evil empire, all for the enrichment of industrialists and bankers.

Bollocks. He fought for freedom. Should he have sat on his backside and let Hitler invade Britain? I am very glad that that his generation fought. You haven't got a clue, I feel sorry for you. Do you get all your replies from the Anarchist's Cookbook? They are so stereotyped and predictable.
 

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