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I did answer. He didn't like the answer so he takes the attitude that I didn't answer. Here's the post where I answered him.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8172784&postcount=8086
Which says nothing about Apollo, but lots about your unsupported belief.


I have to be careful what I say on this forum but this post will give you a clue to what I think about that poll.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8177686&postcount=8160
Paranoia. If you post honestly, then you will not be banned. Unless you are deliberately seeking to gain an "I was banned from JREF" badge, but you wouldn't sink to that, would you?

I'd like to say it directly, but I'd risk getting banned.
See above.


Nobody has given a serious rebuttal to post #8172. You all are just tap dancing around. Tell us why you disagree with what I said about why the Apollo flag didn't billow.
But you have been provided with rebuttal, both elsewhere, and in this very thread. Why do you refuse to read those rebuttals?

Your behavior here would get you laughed out of the debating hall.
Why do you keep recycling this phrase? It adds no weight to your argument, and is borderline ad hom.
 
I did answer. He didn't like the answer so he takes the attitude that I didn't answer. Here's the post where I answered him.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8172784&postcount=8086

I have to be careful what I say on this forum but this post will give you a clue to what I think about that poll.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8177686&postcount=8160

I'd like to say it directly, but I'd risk getting banned.


Nobody has given a serious rebuttal to post #8172. You all are just tap dancing around. Tell us why you disagree with what I said about why the Apollo flag didn't billow. Your behavior here would get you laughed out of the debating hall.

You didn't answer him, you avoided answering him and pointed to a website and in so doing intimating that everyone who disagrees with you is a liar.

Your problem is that the reason people disagree with you is not because they are sock puppets, or liars, or paid agents of some mysterious woo, or whatever garbage excuse you can think of that gets you out of thinking of your own answers instead of sucking at the teat of Jarrah White, but because you are hopelessly and utterly wrong.
 
I did answer.

Allow me to instruct...your "answer" is crap....it is not an answer but an obvious "dodge".


I'd like to say it directly, but I'd risk getting banned.

Let me get this straight....you are exposing to the world that the lunar landings were faked...which would have to be the biggest "news" story ever, and you are scared of being banned?

What kind of coward are you??



Nobody has given a serious rebuttal to post #8172.


According to you?...REJECTED....your EXTREME bias precludes you from making that determination



Your behavior here would get you laughed out of the debating hall.


So you simply ignore the poll, huh? Are you saying that the leadership of this board would condone purposeful lies....are you calling the mods liars?

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Nobody has given a serious rebuttal to post #8172. You all are just tap dancing around. Tell us why you disagree with what I said about why the Apollo flag didn't billow.
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But you have been provided with rebuttal, both elsewhere, and in this very thread. Why do you refuse to read those rebuttals?
Look at all the posts between this one and post #8172. I don't see a single rebuttal. Show me which one it is.
 
Look at all the posts between this one and post #8172. I don't see a single rebuttal. Show me which one it is.
Surely, you don't really want to go there, you will be swamped!

But, if you do so be it.

Your call, concede or be embarrassed on yet another forum.

ETA: the rebuttals came before ~8172. you just ignored them, and others couldn't be bothered to repost them yet again.
 
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You people sure are good at tap dancing around and playing for time. I say that the reason the Apollo flag didn't billow is because the breeze simply wasn't strong enough to make it billow. It was only strong enough to make it move slightly. The breeze that made Jarrah's flag billow slightly was a bit stronger because he was running a bit faster and he was at a different angle to the flag than that of the Apollo astronaut.

Someone please give a rebuttal to that right now.
 
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Originally Posted by FatFreddy88
Someone please give a rebuttal to that right now.
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No...
This is classic. This is the behavior of someone who doesn't believe his own arguments who is cornered. You people are not truth-seekers. You seem to be professional obfuscators.
 
You people sure are good at tap dancing around and playing for time. I say that the reason the Apollo flag didn't billow is because the breeze simply wasn't strong enough to make it billow. It was only strong enough to make it move slightly. The breeze that made Jarrah's flag billow slightly was a bit stronger because he was running a bit faster and he was at a different angle to the flag than that of the Apollo astronaut.

Someone please give a rebuttal to that right now.

Already done, but you don't seem to have the nous to understand it.
 
Already done, but you don't seem to have the nous to understand it.
No it hasn't. Post #8172 was my rebuttal to post #8164. Now I want a counter-rebuttal. If you believe your own arguments, you'll stop tap dancing around and give a serious response.
 
No it hasn't. Post #8172 was my rebuttal to post #8164. Now I want a counter-rebuttal. If you believe your own arguments, you'll stop tap dancing around and give a serious response.

There is no rebuttal you will accept.
Really, you ought to rethink.
Obviously, you have not thought this through
Logically, you are wrong
Logistically, you are overloaded with thoughts you cannot handle.
 
Look at all the posts between this one and post #8172. I don't see a single rebuttal. Show me which one it is.

What is there to rebut? You've cherry picked and demonstrated a painful lack of knowledge on basic issues, and the overwhelming majority of people who have viewed this thread know it.
 
I did answer. He didn't like the answer so he takes the attitude that I didn't answer.
No, David C, that is not what I said. Please do not misrepresent me. In post 8068 and others I have explained that you were required to provide explicit evidence for you calling me a liar, or I would consider the point conceded. You have provided no evidence for your accusation, as I pointed out, so the point is conceded. I also said that I would ignore any further attempts to restate your accusation unless you did provide evidence; we've moved on.

So, FatFreddy88, please answer this question: Why does an experienced space engineer like me disagree about the reality of Apollo with you? What does that tell you about your claim? Think for a minute. Someone who's knowledgeable in the field actually disagrees with you. What could that mean?
You didn't answer the question. You restated your belief. That's a recursive accusation. You have also frequently resorted to creepy loyalty tests reminiscent of the evil Powers That Be against which you rail, but evidently secretly admire. No, I won't submit to loyalty tests; that's for people who like controlling others' minds.
I have to be careful what I say on this forum...
Spare us the cheap theatrics. Your posts might get moved to AAH, just as mine did. You repeatedly claimed your posts had been deleted, which is false. Your misrepresentation was promptly corrected both here on on the Spurstalk forum.
...but this post will give you a clue to what I think about that poll.
You claimed all the "viewers" backed you up, just as you did on apollohoax. Just as happened there, I did your work for you to test your claim, and once again the "viewers" showed up and said you were wrong - over two hundred of them. And, predictably, you could not bring yourself to face the result; once again, you accused all those people of lying or being sock-puppets, without any evidence to back up your claim.

However, as I already told you that any claims that these people were lying or sock-puppets without explicit evidence for your accusation would be rejected, your claim fails, and the results stand; currently 256-1 against you, including the active participants as well as the viewers - and one guy who may have voted for you as a joke or by mistake.

Unfortunately for you, the viewers weren't fooled. They overwhelmingly think you're wrong. Don't whine about it now, don't try to run away from it. You asked for it.

Why, then, do you think all those 256 people don't agree with you? These are real people, giving their real opinions. What does that tell you when you asserted that they'd all agree with you? Try to think for a minute.
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I'd like to say it directly, but I'd risk getting banned.
Quit with the drama queen routine, rocky. No one cares about you; there's no government satellite tracking your posts; no one here is paid to do battle with you. You're irrelevant. I'm trying to educate you, on my own time, and to help you out of this tight little cocoon of paranoia and ignorance you've woven around yourself, but I can't do it all for you. You have to be willing to put aside your religious convictions for a moment and think. Can you do that?
 
Oh, and by the way:
Why doesn't some lurker go and register at Baut and try to post the info that's in the link that's at the bottome of this post?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8033032&postcount=1

I'll bet he or she won't succeed in getting on the forum where people can see it.

Wrong.

I created a new thread there and posted the direct link to the Spurstalk thread with your "info". It sits there, freely available for any user, registered or not.

David C/rocky/FatFreddy88, you have a long history of paranoid posts about how you're being suppressed, when you simply refuse to abide by the Terms of Service for various forums. Please don't represent that you are being suppressed somehow when you willfully violate the user agreements at different fora... and get banned because you are unable to behave like an adult... and your "info" is still posted on the websites in all its self-referential glory. That is a very easily disprovable misrepresentation.
 
This is the behavior of someone who doesn't believe his own arguments who is cornered.

Bullcrap....this is the behavior of someone who has tired of your repeated references to Jarrah...who considers you nothing more than a Jarrah puppet who can't think for himself.


No one agrees with you...


How does it feel to be the laughing stock of an entire web forum, because that is what you are.
 
How sad is it for the Moon hoax "people", that there only "representative" on this board is as argumentatively LAME as Freddy?
 
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