Merged Roosevelt's Rotten Record:Communism, Treachery, Betrayal

[Dancing David]

Only one source knows the full and complete truth, though, and that's the U.S. government. All your other "sources" are working with an incomplete collection of evidence, and are therefore merely speculating about what really happened.

Nothing you have to say will change that.

You do realize that the 'government' is a heterogeneous group of individuals. Therefore there are many sources within that self same government and many sources from the people who were in that government.

One of my HS teachers was at Los Alamos during the time of experimenting to build the bomb, he told a story of how the military officers would classify the books on the shelves as secret. Even though they were commonly available.

 

[dudalb]

Long ago when I was in the Army, USAEUR (US Army Europe) actually, we often went on FTX(Field Training Exercise) and CPX(Command Post exercise), and once on REFORGER(Return of Forces to Germany). We always had a PCI(Pre-Combat Inspection) of our TA50(Field gear/kit) including our LBE(load bearing equipment, ammo belt with suspenders), ALICE(back pack and frame), MOPP(mission oriented protective posture, chemical suit and mask) etc. by our dickhead starched BDU(battle dress uniform, camo fatigues basically) LT(Lieutenant), who I also had to drive in a CUCV(basically a Chevy Blazer) (with the RAWLS[rotating amber warning light system, a yellowspinning light) turned on on post or in a bivouac area) after doing a PMCS(preventive maintenence checks and services) of course. My MOS(military occupational specialty) was 31V(communications mechanic) so I had to deal with VRC, GRC, PRC(vehicle ground and personal radio systems), RATT(radio teletype), VIC(armored vehicle crew intercom), and COMSEC(communication security ie. encryption) gear. Later on I was the TOC(tactical operations center) commo guy, so I had to carry a CEOI(communication-electronics operating instruction-contained all the radio freqs and call signs for that day). And at least one MRE(meal ready to eat, AKA meal rejected by Ethiopians) a day in the field! And I'm sure I've missed quite a few of our acronyms

Ah, brings back memories of my own U.S. Army days.
Since then the use of Acronymns has spread, and the U.S. Military is no worse then most large businesses nowdays....

 

[SpringHallConvert]

You do realize that the 'government' is a heterogeneous group of individuals. Therefore there are many sources within that self same government and many sources from the people who were in that government.

That doesn't necessarily mean they are going to break ranks and come forward to incriminate themselves or others, especially if it entails sharing Top Secret, classified information.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

Except for the fact everyone there was not the US Government.

Where's "there", exactly? Who else was in on Roosevelt's meetings with his intelligence officers and closest advisors?

 

[SpringHallConvert]

So only the government knows the complete truth?

And we can't trust anything they tell us?

How convenient.

Precisely.

The government has all the insider knowledge, documentation, and secrets.

The same government has also proven to be untrustworthy, scandalous, and duplicitous.

Quite the conundrum, isn't it?

 

[JerryGarcia]

Mmmmm hmmmm. Good luck with that.

 

[DGM]

Where's "there", exactly? Who else was in on Roosevelt's meetings with his intelligence officers and closest advisors?

What makes you think that was the only place this information was discussed? Is this some sort of rule?

What is your evidence for this would be the only place? I'll wait.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Precisely.

The government has all the insider knowledge, documentation, and secrets.

The same government has also proven to be untrustworthy, scandalous, and duplicitous.

Quite the conundrum, isn't it?

1941 was quite some time ago. Surely the conundrum is how "the government" is still alive?

 

[Mudcat]

The same government has also proven to be untrustworthy, scandalous, and duplicitous.

Q: And when and how has this proven?
A: From when the government failed to even try to cover up scandals and crimes committed within it's ranks. Not only that but confirmed it themselves instead of erasing the evidence and saying that it never happened like you suggest what happened with the non-existant intel that supposedly alerted Roosevelt to an imminent attack on Pearl Harbor.

Don't you think this makes your version of events even slightly unlikely?

And where do you think confirmation for said non-existant intel would come from if it actually existed?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You do realize that the 'government' is a heterogeneous group of individuals. Therefore there are many sources within that self same government and many sources from the people who were in that government.

One of my HS teachers was at Los Alamos during the time of experimenting to build the bomb, he told a story of how the military officers would classify the books on the shelves as secret. Even though they were commonly available.

That, to an old spook, makes sense.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What makes you think that was the only place this information was discussed? Is this some sort of rule?

What is your evidence for this would be the only place? I'll wait.

He hasn't even read these.

 

[Mudcat]

That, to an old spook, makes sense.

Too bad there isn't an old spook we can ask what they think of a complete and total cover-up like the one SHC and CTist in general suggest.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Give me two pieces of apparently innocuous information and I tell you how fast a warship can go, tops. By the same logic, if you collect information, knowing what books the boffins are reading is more part of the puzzle. If they show a trend toward one school of thought over another you have a clue as how their research is going.

 

[Border Reiver]

1941 was quite some time ago. Surely the conundrum is how "the government" is still alive?

That, and "Top Secret" files are de-classified after 50 years.

 

[Andy_Ross]

That, and "Top Secret" files are de-classified after 50 years.

Well, the CTer will say how do you know they declassified everything? What about he real secrets that they erm... keep secret?

 

[Dancing David]

That doesn't necessarily mean they are going to break ranks and come forward to incriminate themselves or others, especially if it entails sharing Top Secret, classified information.

Sure, but it also provides a large amount of material about what many of the players thought at different times, you ignore that.

So the expectations of an attack and the number of expectations that thought the attack would come at Pearl harbor is something that can be judged. The number of expectations that anticipated the attack some place else can be judged.

Meanwhile you continue to have zero evidence. What is your actual belief, how would FDR convince the japanese fleet to attack Pearl?

 

[Dancing David]

He hasn't even read these.

But those aren't the Super Secret Smurf Cabal memos.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That, and "Top Secret" files are de-classified after 50 years.

If I remember correctly the files can be reviewed for declassification after 50 years. The 14th Naval District's files (this include Hawaii) are at San Bruno, California, (I'll spare you the finding numbers) and I've volunteered to help sort the ones that can be immediately declassed. It's a fun job for a fanatic like me.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

But those aren't the Super Secret Smurf Cabal memos.

Yeah, those are all on pay sites.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I am surprised SpringHallConvert hasn't voted in the Apollo Hoax Poll.
Surely he doesn't think it is real as the evidence comes from a Govt organisation.