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Merged Roosevelt's Rotten Record:Communism, Treachery, Betrayal

SpringHallConvert said:
Maybe. Maybe some others were destroyed and/or sabotaged. You don't know.

You only assume you've been given all the real details of what our government truly knew prior to December 7, 1941.
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So now you read minds?

When did I say that at all?

Ooooh, just you and your rhetoric, as you have no argument.
 
US Forces seem to like a lot of Acronyms. Don't know what the RN is like these days but when I was in we didn't have many.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
Intercepting the Japanese fleet prior to a Pearl Harbor attack would have meant that the United States was the aggressor, since it would have put U.S. forces in the position of firing the "first shot". This clearly runs counter to the Roosevelt plan (McCollum memo/Stimson's diary) for selling the war to the American people as a matter of national defense.

The Pearl Harbor "surprise" was instrumental to the Roosevelt plan, so that was the path followed, and, in historical hindsight, it worked. The American people were totally bamboozled (at least the ones not locked up in concentration camps, that is).
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If you actually read something, you would know that they were expecting the surprise in the Philippines.

Surprise!
 
The Dark Lord said:
As I have said before, the only way that SHC could be convinced is if he could go back in time and read FDR's mind.
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I doubt it. He'd simply claim that Roosevelt was masterfully concealing his thoughts, just like a true villain. "No one can know anything for sure" is SpringHallConvert's chosen trolling weapon. The only thing that would convince him is if he were Roosevelt.

SpringHallConvert said:
How do you know you have all the relevant evidence?
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If it's possible that no one has all the relevant information, how does anything get done? How does anyone know anything? How does the world progress? How are decisions made?

You're trolling with philosophy; others are arguing with evidence.
 
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SpringHallConvert said:
False.

I'm claiming we have no way of knowing whether evidence has been concealed or not. You believe it hasn't been while I believe it has been.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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And the only reason you believe that is because you have no reason to believe. You have no evidence and that, to you, means the evidence was concealed.

It illogical and irrational.
 
Hans said:
The Italians thought they had sunk an American Battleship or two during the war. There was a conspiracy in Italy after the war when the Battleships thought to have been sunk were seen to be doing quite well....conspiracy solution, claim that the Americans had rebuilt them!
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The book "Dirty Secrets of WWII" has a whole list of ships that were declared sunk multiple times by navies on both sides.
 
Gawdzilla said:
I used to be an MMC in MP onboard an LHA in the USN. I'm kinda used to acronyms, FYI.
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Presently a WO (soon to be MWO when the paperwork is signed), acting as the BSM of a BTY in the RCA - Acronyms are the lifeblood of the military.

That and access to beer.
 
Long ago when I was in the Army, USAEUR (US Army Europe) actually, we often went on FTX(Field Training Exercise) and CPX(Command Post exercise), and once on REFORGER(Return of Forces to Germany). We always had a PCI(Pre-Combat Inspection) of our TA50(Field gear/kit) including our LBE(load bearing equipment, ammo belt with suspenders), ALICE(back pack and frame), MOPP(mission oriented protective posture, chemical suit and mask) etc. by our dickhead starched BDU(battle dress uniform, camo fatigues basically) LT(Lieutenant), who I also had to drive in a CUCV(basically a Chevy Blazer) (with the RAWLS[rotating amber warning light system, a yellowspinning light) turned on on post or in a bivouac area) after doing a PMCS(preventive maintenence checks and services) of course. My MOS(military occupational specialty) was 31V(communications mechanic) so I had to deal with VRC, GRC, PRC(vehicle ground and personal radio systems), RATT(radio teletype), VIC(armored vehicle crew intercom), and COMSEC(communication security ie. encryption) gear. Later on I was the TOC(tactical operations center) commo guy, so I had to carry a CEOI(communication-electronics operating instruction-contained all the radio freqs and call signs for that day). And at least one MRE(meal ready to eat, AKA meal rejected by Ethiopians) a day in the field! And I'm sure I've missed quite a few of our acronyms :D
 
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