Merged Roosevelt's Rotten Record:Communism, Treachery, Betrayal

[SpringHallConvert]

Yes, because it saved millions of Japanese lives.

Government truther logic:

"We had to kill them to save them!"

 

[SpringHallConvert]

Yea right. Brilliant idea, let's destroy our own fleet.

Entire U.S. Pacific fleet =/= Decrepit old WW1-era battleships

Nope, try again.

 

[Hans]

Do you think Showa would have gone on the side of the "let's end it" folks if the Marquis Kido hadn't supported cessation of hostilities?

I think the Koshaku had influence, and was in some way, a 'king maker' but that the Emperor would have still made the decision he made. The text is dated but pages 23-25 of Behind Japan's Surrender, by Lester Brooks gives a good idea of the mind sets then

 

[SpringHallConvert]

Are you one of those libertarians?

How do you mean, "those" libertarians?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Entire U.S. Pacific fleet =/= Decrepit old WW1-era battleships

Nope, try again.

Again, you are ignorant of the facts.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I think the Koshaku had influence, and was in some way, a 'king maker' but that the Emperor would have still made the decision he made. The text is dated but pages 23-25 of Behind Japan's Surrender, by Lester Brooks gives a good idea of the mind sets then

Kido was Showa's primary counselor, no? King maker wouldn't enter into this, the Emperor wasn't going to step down or anything.

 

[MaGZ]

Would you care to elaborate on how that translates into the USA not being a Democracy?

Perhaps you care to instead support the Republicans, several of whom, including one front runner for Presidential candidate, would like to make the USA a Theocracy?

I like Romney only because the Jews don’t trust him.

 

[Hans]

Entire U.S. Pacific fleet =/= Decrepit old WW1-era battleships

Nope, try again.

Nope wrong again

Oh so when did the US have battleships in the Pacific it could use for operations? Give the date

 

[Hans]

Kido was Showa's primary counselor, no? King maker wouldn't enter into this, the Emperor wasn't going to step down or anything.

Lord keeper of the privy seal I believe

In the sense of helping to select prime ministers - a power behind the throne

 

[dudalb]

Entire U.S. Pacific fleet =/= Decrepit old WW1-era battleships

Nope, try again.

The level of historical ignorance displayed by this statement staggers the imigination.



With MaGZ and Spring Hill Convert here, all we need is for 9/11investigator to show up and the Hitler Hugger gang will be complete.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Nope wrong again

Oh so when did the US have battleships in the Pacific it could use for operations? Give the date

How many battleships did we have in commission that were built after 1925?

 

[TheRedWorm]

Do you actually feel this answers my question?

Try again, this time with feelingfacts.

ftfy

 

[Hans]

How many battleships did we have in commission that were built after 1925?

We had one Yamato, interestingly none of the other Japanese battleships were commissioned after that date (1925) - but modernized - the Oklahoma and such would have been quite capable of taking on the Kongo, Fuso, Ise and perhaps the two Nagato classes

As for the US I'm not sure, lol, I'll guess none before the new ones came in during the summer of 1942 due to the limitations of the naval treaties

 

[Hans]

The level of historical ignorance displayed by this statement staggers the imigination.



With MaGZ and Spring Hill Convert here, all we need is for 9/11investigator to show up and the Hitler Hugger gang will be complete.

We would also need Little Grey Rabbit - for seasoning

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

We had one Yamato, interestingly none of the other Japanese battleships were commissioned after that date (1925) - but modernized - the Oklahoma and such would have been quite capable of taking on the Kongo, Fuso, Ise and perhaps the two Nagato classes

The Arizonas would have made it a fair fight, I think.

As for the US I'm not sure, lol, I'll guess none before the new ones came in during the summer of 1942 due to the limitations of the naval treaties

The third North Carolina (BB–55) was laid down 27 October 1937 by New York Naval Shipyard; launched 13 June 1940; sponsored by Miss Isabel Hoey, daughter of Governor of North Carolina; and commissioned at New York 9 April 1941, Captain Olaf M. Hustvedt in command

The eighth Washington (BB-56) was laid down on 14 June 1938 at the Philadelphia Navy Yard; launched on 1 June 1940; sponsored by Miss Virginia Marshall, of Spokane, Wash., a direct descendant of former Chief Justice Marshall; and commissioned at the Philadelphia Navy Yard on 15 May 1941, Capt. Howard H. J. Benson in command.

 

[Hans]

The Arizonas would have made it a fair fight, I think.


The third North Carolina (BB–55) was laid down 27 October 1937 by New York Naval Shipyard; launched 13 June 1940; sponsored by Miss Isabel Hoey, daughter of Governor of North Carolina; and commissioned at New York 9 April 1941, Captain Olaf M. Hustvedt in command

The eighth Washington (BB-56) was laid down on 14 June 1938 at the Philadelphia Navy Yard; launched on 1 June 1940; sponsored by Miss Virginia Marshall, of Spokane, Wash., a direct descendant of former Chief Justice Marshall; and commissioned at the Philadelphia Navy Yard on 15 May 1941, Capt. Howard H. J. Benson in command.

Thanks for the info, but of course the US was starting to re-arm at that moment as were the Japanese with the 2 ships in the Yamato class

I think we agree that what SHC ignorantly said -making him a complete Shirime, in that those ships he dismissed were quite capable of taking on the existing Japanese ships, none of which were younger than they (except newly launched Yamato)

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Thanks for the info, but of course the US was starting to re-arm at that moment as were the Japanese with the 2 ships in the Yamato class

I think we agree that what SHC ignorantly said -making him a complete Shirime, in that those ships he dismissed were quite capable of taking on the existing Japanese ships, none of which were younger than they (except newly launched Yamato)

True, and the billions of dollars spent on raising and improving the "old battleships" (OBB in WWII parlance) is prove that they were not used Kleenex.

 

[Hans]

True, and the billions of dollars spent on raising and improving the "old battleships" (OBB in WWII parlance) is prove that they were not used Kleenex.

But we debate the obvious, SHC doesn't know anything about the history he is trying, hilariously, failing to revise

 

[332nd]

Y'all give Magz a break. 3/14/2012 was a horrible day for Nazi fan boys.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

But we debate the obvious, SHC doesn't know anything about the history he is trying, hilariously, failing to revise

He's pretty much been left by the wayside here, irrelevant to anything.

BTW, do you, from the perspective of Japan, think the attack on Pearl Harbor was a legitimate act of war? Be as loose as you wish in answering that, I am truly interested in what you think.