Merged Roosevelt's Rotten Record:Communism, Treachery, Betrayal

[Corsair 115]

I agree with this, but it's not often brought out that there were actually improvements in the bombing accuracy.

Very much so. While Bomber Command's accuracy varied widely, the trend was upwards. In August of 1942 less than 30% of bombs dropped were landing within three miles of the aiming point; a year later, it was up to about 55%; in August of 1944 it was up to 70%; and in February of 1945 it was close to 90%. The major developments that led to better results were the introduction of H2S and Oboe, the use of master bombers on raids, and the establishment of Gee stations on the continent.

The biggest impediment in effectively utilizing that increasingly accurate striking power was Harris. He simply did not believe that attacks against specific industrial targets would produce results; he derided anyone suggesting such as "panacea merchants". Harris remained committed to the idea of area bombing only right through to the end of the war, even in spite of evidence showing that Bomber Command could do better and achieve noteworthy results.

Harris probably should have been replaced by the start of 1945, but his stature by that time was such that the government couldn't or wouldn't do it.

 

[CORed]

Actually, no. The folks on the border between Georgia and then-Spanish Florida, as well as the folks on the western frontier, and up in Maine, were just a few of the folks doing things that day that George wouldn't hear about.

Even if he did hear about them, it would take a considerable amount of time. Information traveled the speed of a horse or ship in Washington's day.

 

[Andy_Ross]

In the total war that was WW2 that depended on the entire population and industry of a country to wage the war were there any civilian targets?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Even if he did hear about them, it would take a considerable amount of time. Information traveled the speed of a horse or ship in Washington's day.

And that's with the relatively small bureaucracy he inherited from the Confederation. So SHC gets it wrong again.

 

[Mudcat]

Anyone know why they went through with that experiment? I Thought the doctors had said it wouldn't be good experiment or something like that and reconmended not to do the experiment.

Bump

 

[000063]

That did not answer the question child. Now, would you see a Nazi victory in Europe as a positive or negative? It's a simple question really. Answer it.

Considering that he literally can't answer a question as simple as "What did you have for breakfast?"...

 

[000063]

Nope you made the positive claim that the bomb makers knew all the dangers of radiation, so the burden falls to you.

Sophistry shall avail you naught.

Weren't they seriously concerned they would set the world on fire?

 

[Craig4]

In the total war that was WW2 that depended on the entire population and industry of a country to wage the war were there any civilian targets?

Yes there were sort of. A factory worker's house would be a legitimate target if he/she worked in a factory that contributed to a country's war potential. If you make bombers it's okay to bomb your house. Pretty much the country being attacked is responsible for keeping noncombatants away from legitimate targets. If you house your family in your house and you build tanks, it's your fault if they get killed when the enemy bombs your home. This gets a bit sticky when you talk about dual use infrastructure but you get the general idea.

We talk a lot these days about proportionality but that has more to do with the fact that our technology has finally caught up to doctrine. Today we wouldn't area bomb a city to stop the ball bearing production. However, in WWII the ball bearing plant had to be destroyed so that's what the Allies did.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If you bake bread that feeds the man that builds the tank you are a legit target, same for the man who repairs the roads or the plumber that keeps the water flowing to the bakery of the man that bakes the bread that feeds the man that builds the tank and so on.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And a note to future despots: Decentralizing your industries will result in decentralizing the effort to destroy said industry. Tokyo, March, 1945, check it out.

 

[MaGZ]

I'm curious, why do so many of you government truthers have such reverence for this scumbag? It was on his watch that we had concentration camps in America filled with innocent American citizens, many of which were defenseless women and children.

Why do so many of you gloss over this and change the subject when it's mentioned?

Are you one of those libertarians?

 

[MaGZ]

We won, he let them go.
If the Germans had won do you tihnk they would have let anyone out of their camps or stopped the mass murder of the camp inmates?
Evidence seems to suggest they had plans to round up and murder even more people in any of the lands they invaded.

The US released their last remaining concentration camp victims in 1948 on Ellis Island.

 

[MaGZ]

The internment of American citizens during World War II was horrible and is a stain on FDR's legacy. Good thing for FDR that that's not the only thing he's remembered for.

Just about any 'great' person in the history of the world has their bad points and even some horrific people actually do something good.

One has to determine whether or not the good outweighs the bad or vice versa. Oftentimes people get blinded because of some irrational hatred for a historic figure that they will latch onto something that a figure did (good or bad) and totally ignore the overall picture. It's kind of sad when people do that. You really can't argue coherently with them because usually the thing is objectively bad or good even though it's in no way indicative of the historical figure's overall behavior. So people latch on to FDR and the internment, Lincoln and the suspension of habeas corpus, Jefferson owned slaves, etc. and totally dismiss the body of work of the person. Such factors should not be dismissed and they aren't, they just shouldn't overwhelm the overall evaluation of the person.

Abe Lincoln had his concentration camp at Fort McHenry.

 

[Dancing David]

Weren't they seriously concerned they would set the world on fire?

Not really, there is little evidence that any one thought that would happen. There are some great stories however.

 

[BravesFan]

Not really, there is little evidence that any one thought that would happen. There are some great stories however.

Yes this is one of those myths that just won't die. Being that they needed the proper material to even start a chain reaction, it seemed odd that these same physicists would worry that the reaction would spread to other materials.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Yes this is one of those myths that just won't die. Being that they needed the proper material to even start a chain reaction, it seemed odd that these same physicists would worry that the reaction would spread to other materials.

Even Oppenheimer didn't predict that. We were a looooong way from haveing all the facts.

 

[MaGZ]

They are the WORST kind of Nazi, they are Communist Nazis!

another name for National Bolshevicks
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism

 

[MaGZ]

My mother lived next to an Italian POW camp during WWII, southern Missouri. She used to trade fresh fruit for the most beautiful hand carved flatware. (Those were popular "in town" for obvious reasons.) She never had any trouble dealing with the POWs through the fence, the guards were usually asleep in the watch towers, or more interested in her than the inmates. And yet there are some here who would liken the place to Dachau. Or would if Dachau had REALLY been a bad place.

If the rail lines were bombed to that wonderful camp in Missouri during the war, it would look like Dachau.

 

[MaGZ]

Invading Japan ( who started it) would have meant the deaths of thousands and thousands of brave American GIs. Your hero Hitler would have used the bomb if it had been developed in Germany, but luckily all the smart Jewish scientists went to America. The Third Reich hated 'Jewish physics' so all that Hitler had were knuckle head Nazi physicists. Why am I responding seriously to you?

And still Hitler and his scientists developed the bomb first! March 4, 1945

 

[The Dark Lord]

And still Hitler and his scientists developed the bomb first!

No, they didn't. And if they did, well, that just makes your heroes' defeat all the more pathetic.