Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

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Explosives of any kind can't survive for an hour inside a towering inferno, and sure as hell can't survive inside WTC 7 for SEVEN hours.
Towering inferno? This only proves that you will say anything no matter how ludicrous. There were no fires on floors 14 thru 17 and they were vacant. There were no fires on floors 5 and 6. Those were mechanical floors and few people had access. There were no fires on floors 1 and 2 which was mostly the ConEd substation and few people had access.
 
Towering inferno? This only proves that you will say anything no matter how ludicrous. There were no fires on floors 14 thru 17 and they were vacant. There were no fires on floors 5 and 6. Those were mechanical floors and few people had access. There were no fires on floors 1 and 2 which was mostly the ConEd substation and few people had access.

So the explosives were only placed on the floors that weren't on fire. Got it.
 
So the explosives were only placed on the floors that weren't on fire. Got it.

WOW, the government is good, they set up WTC to not only fall and hit WTC7 BUT!!!! in a way to only start fires on floors where they did not set explosives.
 
When something is welded, it is rigid.

So if a wooden 'moment frame' is screwed 'n glued it is "rigid"? Nope. I know this and my carpentry skills are poor.

More double talk. Steel framework does not bend at the speed of sound.

He didn't say that. He said the loads are transferred that quickly.

Meanwhile you continue to ignore the exposure of the blatant mistakes you have made recently. Your claims that moment frames are rigid, the girder seat was 2" thick and others.
 
Towering inferno? This only proves that you will say anything no matter how ludicrous. There were no fires on floors 14 thru 17 and they were vacant. There were no fires on floors 5 and 6. Those were mechanical floors and few people had access. There were no fires on floors 1 and 2 which was mostly the ConEd substation and few people had access.

"Towering Inferno" was a reference to WTCs 1 and 2.

You might have noticed the explosions?

Also, the fires in WTC 7 burned for seven hours. The point is valid and it stands. None of you dolts have even hinted that you have a reasonable explanation how these explosives survived. You start with the conclusion that they did, and work from there.

Real life doesn't work that way however. In the real world explosives of any kind wouldn't have survived. Therefore, all your other arguments are moot and irrelevant.
 
"...Long before I was on JREF I was asking physicists and engineers about these collapses, and every single one of the 14 people I personally asked said the same thing..."

Hmm. 14 physicists and engineers, supposedly without bias, explaining their engineering beliefs about the 9/11 collapses with a writer holding no background in engineering.

"...Every single person on the politically neutral physics chat rooms I got onto said the same thing.

They didn't even know I was asking about 9/11 in many cases because I wanted neutral, scientific answers..."

Really? They didn't even know?

Of course in chat rooms, you cannot easily verify the credentials of your respondents.

And how did you manage to so subtlety ask useful scientific questions about the 9/11 collapses without biased respondents realizing?

"...Not one person with qualified expertise that I found in local universities, the Colorado School of Mines, or customers where I work agrees with you. NOT ONE. ANYWHERE. My understanding comes from them..."

So your "understanding" comes from a few physicists and engineers form a local university, possibly just one of each, combined with staff and customers from the Colorado School of Mines.

This is a grand total of 14 people to whom you personally asked questions about the 9/11 building collapses?

"...Against that overwhelming array of physicists and engineers,

there is a handful of people like David Chandler and Richard Gage who assert the exact opposite.

For them to assert controlled demolition puts a very heavy burden of proof on them, and they have not met that burden."

Could you please explain your understanding of what constitutes an "overwhelming array of physicists and engineers"?

And could you also please explain how your numerical concept of an "overwhelming array of physicists and engineers" represents greater credibility than the considered opinions represented by the 1,600+ engineering professionals who have joined AE911Truth?

MM
 
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by the 1,600+ engineering professionals who have joined AE911Truth?

The answer to that question can't be valid, with the premise being incorrect to begin with.

hey - while you're here care to help your buddies with how explosives could have survived? The three of you should be able to put your heads together
 
Hmm. 14 physicists and engineers, supposedly without bias, explaining their engineering beliefs about the 9/11 collapses with a writer holding no background in engineering.



Really? They didn't even know?

Of course in chat rooms, you cannot easily verify the credentials of your respondents.

And how did you manage to so subtlety ask useful scientific questions about the 9/11 collapses without biased respondents realizing?



So your "understanding" comes from a few physicists and engineers form a local university, possibly just one of each, combined with staff and customers from the Colorado School of Mines.

This is a grand total of 14 people to whom you personally asked questions about the 9/11 building collapses?



Could you please explain your understanding of what constitutes an "overwhelming array of physicists and engineers"?

And could you also please explain how your numerical concept of an "overwhelming array of physicists and engineers" represents greater credibility than the considered opinions represented by the 1,600+ engineering professionals who have joined AE911Truth?
MM

Can you explain, please, where any of those "1600+ engineers" have had the time to help the "truth movement"? Do you even know if half of them are real? Still alive? Talk about strawman.

So you've done nothing and you're down talking Mr. Mohr because he's done more on accident than you've done on purpose regarding 9/11 and getting to the truth?
 
Hmm. 14 physicists and engineers, supposedly without bias, explaining their engineering beliefs about the 9/11 collapses with a writer holding no background in engineering.



Really? They didn't even know?

Of course in chat rooms, you cannot easily verify the credentials of your respondents.

And how did you manage to so subtlety ask useful scientific questions about the 9/11 collapses without biased respondents realizing?



So your "understanding" comes from a few physicists and engineers form a local university, possibly just one of each, combined with staff and customers from the Colorado School of Mines.

This is a grand total of 14 people to whom you personally asked questions about the 9/11 building collapses?



Could you please explain your understanding of what constitutes an "overwhelming array of physicists and engineers"?

And could you also please explain how your numerical concept of an "overwhelming array of physicists and engineers" represents greater credibility than the considered opinions represented by the 1,600+ engineering professionals who have joined AE911Truth?

MM
MM you are in such complete denial I don't even know where to start. As just one example, I'd go to a physics chat room and say "I have a question about a collapsing building. If one floor of a steel-framed high-rise collapses down 12 feet without much resistance, when it hits the next floor, will it have enough energy to break the supports on that floor and collapse to the next floor, or will the structure be strong enough to stop its collapse?" Question after question like that, about fires, physics, tilting buildings, angular momentum, on and on and on.

If you deny that your opinion on the physics of the 9/11 collapses represents a tiny minority of the structural engineers and physicists who have looked at this, I can't help you. Being in the minority doesn't make you wrong, but believing your opinion is somehow held by a majority or even a large minority of qualified scientists and engineers means you are completely unrealistic about the low regard your opinion is held by most qualified experts. I have heard 9/11 Truth people compare David Chandler and other of their researchers to Galileo, who was also in the minority. Except for one tiny difference. Galileo knew he and his followers were a tiny tiny minority. Most of the experts I talked to wouldn't even discuss 9/11 until I assured them I wasn't a 9/11 Truth activist (a stance I consider unfair). The scientific consensus overwhelmingly supports natural collapse, and the only way to change that is to produce new data which will prove CD and get it into the scientific mainstream via published reports. Believe it or not, I was willing to accept the possibility that Jim Millette's dust study just might have found thermitic materials. So was he: "If I find it I'll publish it." He didn't find it. Where are the published reports (besides the Bentham one) producing evidence that can be replicated (as Jim Millette tried to do and found NO THERMITIC MATERIALS)?

BTW I asked 14 experts face to face, one on one. I also asked about 15 engineering students en masse about all this at a wedding reception. I've lost count of the number of real experts I've talked to in chat rooms and via email, as well as the number of published papers and abstracts I've read before even coming to JREF (at Gage's suggestion, BTW).

Please let me know if you have done anything remotely like this. How many times have you walked onto a college campus and started asking around with the structural engineers and physicists who exist in abundance there and enjoy explaining things to laypeople like you and me? How many times have you fashioned technical questions of a general nature so their answers would be untainted by any prejudice re 9/11? How many times have you written specific, open ended questions to people on the other side and gotten answers, as I did with Richard Gage, David Chandler, CD worker Sullivan, Kevin Ryan, Niels Harrit, and several lesser-known 9/11 researchers? Please give me an estimate of how many people you have done this with, as I have done for you (and which you have poo-pooed). Does your dismissal of my research mean you have done much, much more of this kind of research? Are you willing to have your mind changed by the answers you get, as I have been? When? On which question?
 
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You have no idea how much resistance a buckling H column will provide.

Once they are in FFA, which they were, there are no internal forces.

You know absolutely NOTHING about steel failure modes or physics. You are talking thru your hat and trying to sound intelligent by using a lot of verbiage.

When something is welded, it is rigid.

More double talk. Steel framework does not bend at the speed of sound.

No, it was at FFA. That's what Chandler and NIST said and you are not remotely qualified to say you know better.

It is morally reprehensible for you to make these proclamations in a video that purports to discredit Mr. Gage. He is only quoting people who do know what they are talking about and you don't know what you are talking about so stop pretending like you do.
Unworthy of being dignified with an answer. All of it.
 
That's what you call a Texas Sharpshooter with Flaming Arrows fallacy.

I was laughing at this the other day. Here we have Ergo, C7, and whoever else coming here talking about the "way the building went down." The whole time they don't realize that there is no possible way, at all, even a little bit, that explosives could be in the building.

Talk about twisting, turning, buckling, flying, swimming, kissing, melting, dancing, running, doing the electric slide, and vanishing all you want when it comes to the columns or beams. The fact remains there is no plausible way that the gubmint could:

A) Rig WTC 1 & 2. I mean this at the most basic level. It couldn't have happened and they know it. /done
B) However, to show this dead horse a bit more commitment there is also no way they could have rigged building 1 to fall into 7. There's no way, at all. /done
C) Sorry again Mr. Ed, there is no way they could have known which floors the building would hit, and the fires would start
D) One more, there is no way that the fires wouldn't have gone off during the 7 hours of fire. EVEN IF ALL THE FIRES WERE OUT BY 1, or whatever stupid claim C7 is making. No matter what time the fires went out, the fact that there WERE fires would make explosives impossible.
 
Unworthy of being dignified with an answer. All of it.
It is you sir that is undignified. You claim to be rebutting Mr. Gage but you are really rebutting Mr. Chandler and NIST. You have NO qualifications to second guess either one.
 
They are. Don't listen to Chris Mohr, he doesn't know what he is talking about.

But every website that discusses moment frames disagrees with you. That must be a hard one to deal with, I know, but public displays of frantic cognitive dissonance on your part are not attractive.

I said the support plate was 2" thick. You don't know what you are talking about either.

No you didn't. You responded to tfk who explicitly mentioned the 1" girder seat. You claimed it was 2" thick. Chris ... it's all here in b+w in the "walk off" thread. Want me to quote it, or do you want to retract?
 
But every website that discusses moment frames disagrees with you.
Websites? Chris Mohr said:
"100% rigid (by C7's assertion) flexible (by the dictionary definition) moment frames."
That is a lie.

Go back and read what I wrote about the support plate.
 
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