Trayvon Martin, Vigilante Justice

[nadsat]

He also shot and killed an unarmed teenager who was walking home from the 711 with candy.

I see the media brainwashed you well with that simplified narrative.

 

[lionking]

I see the media brainwashed you well with that simplified narrative.

Simplified maybe, but certainly not inaccurate.

 

[Fishstick]

I see the media brainwashed you well with that simplified narrative.

Which parts of that sentence do you disagree with?

 

[Skepticemea]

I see the media brainwashed you well with that simplified narrative.

Shot and killed an unarmed teenager walking home from the 711 with candy and a soda?

 

[nadsat]

the part where he left out Zim getting his nose broken, getting pummeled on the ground, yelling for help for 40 seconds, then finally brandishing his gun as a last resort.

 

[Skepticemea]

the part where he left out Zim getting his nose broken, getting pummeled on the ground, yelling for help for 40 seconds, then finally brandishing his gun as a last resort.

Would that be after he followed the teenager in his car and then on foot after being told that he wasn't to do that whilst muttering to himself, "they always get away with it?"

Stand your ground, unless you're suspiciously black.

 

[nadsat]

show me the law where any of that is illegal.

 

[leftysergeant]

the part where he left out Zim getting his nose broken, getting pummeled on the ground, yelling for help for 40 seconds, then finally brandishing his gun as a last resort.

The whackadoodle was harrassing an innocent passer-by for no good reason other than that his ear crickets told him that this was a dangerous felon up to no good.

He needed a lot more than his nose broken.

 

[leftysergeant]

show me the law where any of that is illegal.

Florida Statutes, Title XLVI, Chapter 787.02(1)(a).

 

[nadsat]

787.02 False imprisonment; false imprisonment of child under age 13, aggravating circumstances.—

(1)(a) The term “false imprisonment” means forcibly, by threat, or secretly confining, abducting, imprisoning, or restraining another person without lawful authority and against her or his will.

really?

really?

that makes sense to anyone else?

 

[leftysergeant]

really?

really?

that makes sense to anyone else?

Yeah. Fatboy told the cops that he was determined not to let Martin get out the back gate.

We must conclude from this that he deliberately interdicted Martin.

False imprisonment. Fry the bastard.

 

[Gazpacho]

Can't let the details get in the way of a good ****-talking.

 

[This is The End]

did you even read the RandFan link's second page where they posted his record?

4 items on his record. 2 refers to the same bar incident arrest, 2 refers to the restraining order filed against him and him against his ex-fiance.

Yes I did read it. Look, I didn't write the article, I didn't write the title of the article (3 Closed Arrests). If it is all made up, don't blame me.

It looks like the 2005-MM-010436-A-O CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE and then there is 2005-CF-009525-A-O CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. I'm not positive, the formatting is lost in that article.


Certain posters were bringing up the fact for dozens of pages that the cop fight was only a non-violent charge. Now that article claims otherwise.

The "with violence battery on law enforcement" charge, if true, is news to me.

I added the ------------ which I believe is where it separates, the formatting is lost in that article, at least on my browser.

http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/2/

2005-CF-009525-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983

07/18/2005
Div 10
OKane, Julie H

Criminal Felony
Closed

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER

------------

2005-MM-010436-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983

07/18/2005
Orlando
Miller, W Michael

Misdemeanor
Closed

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE

 

[This is The End]

I just did a search on this thread for the first charge "violence battery on law enforcement officer" and it first appears in my post above. It could have been buried in a link. I have read every post since day 1. I have not clicked every link.

The other charge, on the other hand, "resisting officer without violence" was brought up dozens of times, here's just a few:

The charge was "resisting arrest without violence".

Not an assault.

Not that many people in this thread give a damn about actual facts.

And to show that they're going to bring up a charge for resisting arrest without violence?

It wasn't assault, the exact charge was "resisting arrest without violence".

The charge was "resisting arrest without violence". Something you see all the time wrt demonstrations all over the country, yet I doubt you get so outraged over those identical incidents.

 

[Jekyll's Guest]

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/nation/new-black-panther-party-calls-for-bounty-on-zimmerman

The New Black Panther Party is offering a $10,000 bounty for the person who captures the Florida neighborhood 28-year-old watch captain who shot and killed Martin, an unarmed teenager, last month, according to The Atlanta-Journal Constitution.
"He should be fearful for his life," said Mikhail Muhammad, the Party’s new leader. "You can't keep killing black children."

Wow, I never knew they were so well funded!

I mean it'll cost millions to hunt down all the gangbangers who kill black kids...oh, what's what? They only care about rare cases where someone white looking did it? I see.

Yeah apparently he was out drinking with a buddy, the friend was being arrested for drunk and disorderly or somesuch, and Zimmerman attempted to intervene in the arrest, pushing the cop who was making the arrest. It was a first offense, so they allowed him to avoid a judgment by signing a pretrial agreement to attend alcohol/drug "school." That's not uncommon in many states.

I haven't read any details about any other incident involving police or resisting arrest.

The domestic incident was apparently a case where his ex-fiancee accused him of violence but declined to press criminal charges. Apparently they both filed restraining orders against one another, with no further incident.

Either way he's a real upstanding pillar of society, this Neighborhood Watch captain.

pushed a cop once when he was young and drunk, and got in a fight with his ex-fiance once.

quite a history of violence this guy has.

He also shot and killed an unarmed teenager who was walking home from the 711 with candy.

Interesting, John. So he's to blame for the death because he has a history of violence, and he has a history of violence because he killed someone. Looks like you've got it all wrapped up.

 

[Dancing David]

There's a bit more to it than that.

The Sanford Police Chief made a statement early on that there was no reason to doubt Zimmerman's statement, and he subsequently temporarily stepped down.

Meanwhile, a special prosecutor has been appointed (I think by the state). She is still trying to prepare a case against Zimmerman, and said she should have something by the end of next week.

There is also a Seminole County grand jury (scheduled to convene April 10) continuing its efforts to determine whether or not to indict Zimmerman (a fact I understand the special prosecutor is not happy about).

I understand that I was giving an answer to how it appears that an individual shot someone and was not arrested.

 

[Information Analyst]

But the girlfriend's account at least is consistent with Zimmerman's police call in every point in which it can be. They both agree that Martin noticed Zimmerman watching him. They both agree that Zimmerman got out of his vehicle to follow, and that Martin ran to get away and at some point briefly "lost" Zimmerman.

The only thing that makes little sense is Zimmerman's account of what happened after he got off the phone with dispatch. The last thing we can verify is that Zimmerman told the dispatcher he would NOT be meeting the police at his vehicle when they arrived. Yet if we're to believe him, after he hung up he not only immediately changed his mind and decided to walk back to his vehicle after all, but Martin who literally seconds earlier had been running to evade Zimmerman enough to lose sight of him, spontaneously decided to double back and jump Zimmerman from behind - and in a place that's further away from Zimmerman's vehicle than the furthest place at which it seems Martin could have been out of Zimmerman's sight.

On the other hand, for Martin's girlfriend's account to be accurate, all both of them had to do was keeping doing what they were already doing for just a minute or so longer.

I might add that if Martin's girlfriend was just making things up for Martin's benefit it seems like an odd choice for her to have Martin speak up first.

I've just had a go at matching TheL8Elvis's timeline at #1674 with the full recording of Zimmerman's call to the police (here). All my additions are in square brackets:

6:54 p.m. (www.clickorlando.com)
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Martin called girlfirend and said he was walking back from 7-11 with his hood up.

7:09:34 p.m. (page 46 of call logs) [Time 0:00 on call recording]
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Zimmerman calls 911 and reports a suspicious black man "who looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something..." with his hand in his waistband.

[7:11:41 p.m. Zimmerman says "****, he's running..." - Time 2:07 on call recording]

[7:11:44 p.m. Zimmerman exits his vehicle - Time 2:10 on call recording]

[7:11:52 p.m. Zeimmerman says Martin ruinning "towards the back entrance" - Time 2:18 on call recording]

[7:11:57 p.m. Police ask: "Are you following him?" - Time 2:23 on call recording]

7:11:59 p.m. (page 46 of call logs)
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Zimmerman tells dispatch that [Martin] is running towards the back entrance. (page 46 of call logs)

7:12 p.m. (abcnews.go.com)
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Martin calls girlfriend - "He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said.

7:13:12 p.m.(page 46 of call logs)
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Zimmerman says he will meet police by mailboxes, but then declines becuase he lost site of Martin

[7:13:13 p.m. Police suggest Zimmerman meet officers at mailboxes - Time 3:39 on call recording]

[7:13:39 p.m. Zimmerman's call to police ends - Time 4:05 on call recording]

7:16 p.m. (approximate END of call)(mobile.reuters.com - call lasts 4 minutes)
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"Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Call ends

7:16:11 p.m. (www.clickorlando.com)
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witness call

7:16:41 p.m. (www.clickorlando.com)
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witness call

7:17 p.m. (mobile.reuters.com)
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Police say they arrived at the scene at 7:17.

7:17:06 p.m. (www.clickorlando.com)
=========
witness call

7:17:15 p.m. (www.clickorlando.com)
=========
witness call

7:17:54 p.m. (www.clickorlando.com)
=========
witness call

7:18:00 p.m. (www.clickorlando.com)
=========
witness call

7:19:04 p.m. (www.clickorlando.com)
=========
witness call

There is effectively an unaccounted gap of approximately 2m 21s between the end of Zimmerman's call at 19:13:39, and the end of Martin's at ~19:16:00, although it may be slightly less/earlier, given that it would only leave 11 seconds for the first witness realise something was happening and dial 911.

Another detail from re-listening to the call recording: when asked the address where he parked his vehicle, Zimmerman says, "I don't know, it's a cut-through." I believe this supports the idea that he parked up at the crossing on Twin Trees Lane adjacent to the footpath, rather than back at the mailboxes, or indeed anywhere in between.

 

[Dancing David]

Hey, can you provide info on the homicide detective that interviewed Mr. Zimmerman? I've missed out on that.

Thanks

I don't think that testimony has been presented yet. In the first week after this broke, there were statements about the interviews made on the scene but I am not sure about the station interviews.

 

[Dancing David]

Serious question: In your opinion or better knowledge, why no arrest?

Someone made the decision not to arrest him based upon the claim of self defense and the evidence at hand.

 

[Information Analyst]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...death-recounts/story?id=15959017#.T3HiPDEgcQL

"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run."
Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.

"Trayvon said, 'What are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again, and he didn't answer the phone."

From matching the call recording with the timeline, I think it's clear that Martin did what Zimmerman interpreted as "running" just before he called his girlfriend (Zimmerman makes no mention of Martin appearing to use a phone). It may just have been quickening of what was previously a very slow pace upto that point, as he approached the crossing/footpath.