Saudi Arabia May Be Tied to 9/11, 2 Ex-Senators Say

[OCaptain]

How do you know that all of the evidence that you "plainly see" is all the evidence that there really is?

I don't, but it is evidence which I know exists (as opposed to evidence which might or might not exist and can never be known).

So, I'm ok basing my view on what I know exists, even if I may be limiting myself in some imaginary way.

 

[OCaptain]

"FBI Agent Ali Soufan was in Yemen when the attacks of 9/11 happened. He was there working on gathering evidence to convict those involved in the USS Cole bombing. While most personal there immediately headed back to the U.S. he was told to stay in Yemen as there was a connection to what he was investigating and the attacks of 9/11. Remember - the following excerpt from his book is just after the 9-11 attacks have happened."

Here is how Ali Soufan found out he was being obstructed by the CIA......

The 9/11 attacks have just happened.......

From his book:
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Banners-Inside-Against-al-Qaeda/dp/0393079422

Quote:

"Let's go to my office," the _____ said. He and I were alone, and he closed the door. He took out a file and silently handed it to me.

Inside were three pictures of al-Qaeda operatives taken in Kuala Lumpur, ___________________________ and photos were all dated January 2000 and had been provided to the CIA by the Malaysian ______________________ agency.

For about a minute I stared at the pictures and the report, not quite believing what I had in my hands. We had asked the CIA repeatedly during the USS Cole investigation if they knew anything about why Khallad had been in Maylaysia and if they recognized the number of the pay phone in Kuala Lumpur that we suspected he had used. Each time we had asked- in November 2000, April 2001, and July 2001 - they had said that they knew nothing.

But here in the file was a very different answer: they had in fact known since January 2000 that Khallad had met with other al-Qaeda operatives in Malaysia. They had pictures of them meeting and a detailed report of their comings and goings from Malaysian _________.

As for the phone number, ____________ listed it as being assigned to a pay phone that the al-Qaeda operatives were using to communicate with colleagues everywhere. The phone booth was across from a condominium owned by an al-Qaeda sympathizer in Malaysia, which was where all the al-Qaeda had stayed. Our deduction that Khallad had been using it was right.

______________________ given to the CIA by the Malaysians in January 2000. None of it had been passed to us, despite our specifically having asked about Khallad and the phone number and its relevance to the Cole investigation and to national security. I later found out that the three photos ______ that the ___ gave me were the three photos shown, with no explanation, to Steve and my Cole colleagues at the June 11, 2001, meeting in New York. The Cole team had asked about the photos-who the people were, why they were taken, and so on-but _____, the CIA official present, said nothing.

Also in the file ______ that Khallad had flown first class to Bangkok with Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi. We soon would learn that they were listed as passengers on American Airlines flight 77, which had hit the Pentagon. Based upon the chronology in the report, it was clear that the day after Quso and Nibras had met Khallad and given him the $36,000, Mihdhar and Hazmi had bought first-class tickets to the United States. Was that $36,000 used to buy their tickets? And had the rest of the money been intended for their use in the United States? My gut told me yes.

My hands started shaking. I didn't know what to think. "They just sent these reports," the ___ said, seeing my reaction. I walked out of the room, sprinted down the corridor to the bathroom, and fell to the floor next to a stall. There I threw up.

I sat on the floor for a few minutes, although it felt like hours. What I had just seen went through my mind again and again. The same thought kept looping back: "If they had all this information since January 2000, why the hell didn't they pass it on?" My whole body was shaking.

I heard one of the SWAT agents asking "Ali, are you okay?" He had seen me run to the bathroom and followed me in .

"I am fine"

I got myself to the sink, washed out my mouth, and splashed some water on my face. I covered my face with a paper towel for a few moments. I was still trying to process the fact that the information I had requested about major al-Qaeda operatives, information the CIA had claimed they knew nothing about, had been in the agency's hands since January 2000.

The SWAT agent asked, "What's wrong, bud? What the hell did he tell you?

"They knew, they knew." pages 289-290


Excerpts from:
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Banners-Inside-Against-al-Qaeda/dp/0393079422

Later..

Quote:

FBI special agent Andre Khoury had been stationed elsewhere in the Middle East when the planes hit the towers. He was reassigned to join us in Yemen, and after he arrived and saw the file, he wanted to confront the ___. I held Andre back.

"They knew! Why didn't they tell us?!" Andre said.

"You're right." I said. "and I'm just as angry. Believe me. But now is not the time to ask these questions. One day someone will ask the questions and find out, but right now we have to focus on the task at hand." page 290

Ah, thank you. Information and facts matter to some of us, at least.

 

[beachnut]

"FBI Agent Ali Soufan ... ." page 290

A big reason 911 truth has no chance of unity. Off topic posts, wrong thread. Another book, with someone saying, "they knew". Wow, now that is evidence of ... Nothing, save you are off topic. Like a SPAM attack. Look at the OP.

 

[Orphia Nay]

"FBI Agent Ali Soufan was in Yemen when the attacks of 9/11 happened. [...]

This is not evidence of foreknowledge of 9/11.

This is like taking Pascal's Wager, and believing in God just in case you might get into heaven, despite the fact that there is still no evidence for God.

This is believing in LIHOP despite the fact that this doesn't prove the CIA knew Al Qaeda would specifically hijack planes and specifically fly them into specific buildings in Washington and New York specifically on September 11, 2011.

Can we get back to the OP now?

Shure, you still want to believe in some nefarious plot, it seems, so it means you haven't wasted your time as a truther. Believe me, you haven't. You've learned a lot about history, science and man's tendency to fool himself. Try not to keep making that mistake. Hope this helps.

 

[000063]

There are many reasons why the Bush administration censored those pages. None of those reasons are good or in the interest of the national security of the American people.

We know that the information censored in the joint intelligence inquiry was about the Saudi connection to the 9/11 plot.

We know that when a 9/11 commission investigator tried to follow up on the Saudi connection she was fired by Philip Zelikow who insured that the Saudi connection would be covered up.

We know that the 9/11 commision stated that there was no foreign government involvement in the attacks of 9/11.

We know that is a LIE because we know the censored pages in the joint inquiry show foreign goverment involvement.

That foreign goverment is Saudi Arabia.

Therefore we can say for a fact that the Bush administration covered up the foreign involvement of Saudi Arabia in the events of 9/11.

We can also say for a fact that the Bush administration then tried to place blame on Iraq and illegally attacked them instead.

Therefore it is a fact that George W. Bush and others in his administration are traiotrs to their country.

You sure know a lot about something that was censored.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

I don't, but it is evidence which I know exists (as opposed to evidence which might or might not exist and can never be known).

So, I'm ok basing my view on what I know exists, even if I may be limiting myself in some imaginary way.

I'm not OK basing my view on a compilation of evidence influenced and/or limited by
what should have been one of the primary suspects in a massive criminal investigation. That, in and of itself, is a giant red flag.

The U.S. government investigating its role in the 9/11 attacks has roughly the same level of credibility as the Sicilian Mafia investigating its role in a string of murders. The resulting body of evidence can only be deemed as compromised, and that's putting it conservatively.

 

[grandmastershek]

Such statements only illustrate the illiteracy of the poster with regards to the structure and function of US government.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

Such statements only illustrate the illiteracy of the poster with regards to the structure and function of US government.

Your perception of reality ≠ actual reality

 

[IdiotWhacker]

Because what? Because the government told you so? And because you believe the government told you the truth, right?

This is why I refer to your side as the "government truther" side.

Are you also implying that we agree with the government 100% of the time?

 

[Orphia Nay]

I'm not OK basing my view on a compilation of evidence influenced and/or limited by
what should have been one of the primary suspects in a massive criminal investigation. That, in and of itself, is a giant red flag.

The U.S. government investigating its role in the 9/11 attacks has roughly the same level of credibility as the Sicilian Mafia investigating its role in a string of murders. The resulting body of evidence can only be deemed as compromised, and that's putting it conservatively.

Such statements only illustrate the illiteracy of the poster with regards to the structure and function of US government.

Indeed, and massive confirmation bias.

There can be no agreement between truthers and debunkers unless both have a committment to logic and a respect for individual human frailty.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

There can be no agreement between truthers and debunkers unless both have a committment to logic and a respect for individual human frailty.

Individual human frailty, eh? All except for when it comes to Osama bin Laden, the caveman mastermind, and his raggedy band of super-terrorists capable of outfoxing the entire USA and its trillions of dollars in defense and intelligence assets.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Individual human frailty, eh? All except for when it comes to Osama bin Laden, the caveman mastermind, and his raggedy band of super-terrorists capable of outfoxing the entire USA and its trillions of dollars in defense and intelligence assets.

Why so angry, defensive and abusive?

"The entire USA and its trillions of dollars in defense and intelligence assets"? What makes you so in awe of the US government? That's some huge loyalty you've got there.

If you had any committment to logic you would stop using the "caveman" strawman. I feel sorry for you. I can see we can have no agreement for the moment. Have a nice, if paranoid, life.

 

[OCaptain]

I'm not OK basing my view on a compilation of evidence influenced and/or limited by
what should have been one of the primary suspects in a massive criminal investigation. That, in and of itself, is a giant red flag.

The U.S. government investigating its role in the 9/11 attacks has roughly the same level of credibility as the Sicilian Mafia investigating its role in a string of murders. The resulting body of evidence can only be deemed as compromised, and that's putting it conservatively.

You still didn't answer my question. Who should have investigated it?

 

[BCR]

All except for when it comes to Osama bin Laden, the caveman mastermind, and his raggedy band of super-terrorists capable of outfoxing the entire USA and its trillions of dollars in defense and intelligence assets.

Why do people continue to perpetuate the myth that Osama and his associates were "cavemen", implying of course that they were uneducated buffoons? These were (are) well-educated men and far from being cavemen. The master planners were actually Yousef, Murad and KSM. Yousef was educated in the UK and quite brilliant. Murad studied at flight schools in the US and was a pilot. KSM also studied in the US. Osama (the financier) was also a college-educated man who left college to engage the Soviets in Afghanistan. His #2, Zawahiri is a medical doctor. And, the operational commander Atta had just earned a Masters degree!

So hardly cavemen. They were very bright men who had studied not only the US, but also our intelligence assets since the Soviet-Afghan conflict. They studied commercial aviation and knew exactly how to penetrate it. Your remarks demonstrate your ignorance of the topic at hand.

 

[Jackanory]

Individual human frailty, eh? All except for when it comes to Osama bin Laden, the caveman mastermind, and his raggedy band of super-terrorists capable of outfoxing the entire USA and its trillions of dollars in defense and intelligence assets.

Yep. A simple plan is often the most effective. This one worked. Why do you feel the need to embelish it with a plan that would involve potentially 1,000's and ultimately leave lots & lots of evidence for?

A simple plan that outfoxed far more than even you can imagine. You just don't get it.

 

[grandmastershek]

Your perception of reality ≠ actual reality

I am not the one who treats the US government as a monolithic organization who is incapable of objectively keeping is various disparate parts in check. Sadly for you and your delusions there are ample examples of the US Govt doing just that. See:

Watergate
Whitewater


Would you like more? Or will you be conducting your typical hand-waving approach to debate?

Maybe this is more your speed:

 

[shure]

SpringHallConvert does not speak for people interested in the truth. All he does is post some general talking points that he has heard, but doesn't even really know what or why he is saying what he is saying. His comment about Ali Sufan is proof of that.

Please stop littering this thread.

 

[Jackanory]

I'm not OK basing my view on a compilation of evidence influenced and/or limited by
what should have been one of the primary suspects in a massive criminal investigation. That, in and of itself, is a giant red flag.

The U.S. government investigating its role in the 9/11 attacks has roughly the same level of credibility as the Sicilian Mafia investigating its role in a string of murders. The resulting body of evidence can only be deemed as compromised, and that's putting it conservatively.

Unfortunately, your focus is tainted by woo. If you directed your focus on the real issues of gubmint and agency screw ups rather than fantasy involvement theories then you would be a much happier chappy with some real achievement to brag about. But I suppose you will ultimately be one of those relegated to simply jumping on the band wagon of 'told ya so' when the real failures are established. None of which will support your 911 delusions.

 

[grandmastershek]

So SHC doesn't trust the govt's version because the they are supposed to be the "primary suspect" because he trusts what random people on the internet tell him.

 

[shure]

Do you give any of your own posts any thought whatsoever?

Do you even realise what it is you have just posted?

Please tell me what you are saying I said in my post.