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Trayvon Martin, Vigilante Justice

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RobRoy said:
It appears to be mutual and I can't determine if there was an actual restraining order or not. The articles mention that it was filed, but not if it was accepted (or whatever the legal term is). Everything else is just accusations, none of which would preclude him from a conceal-to-carry.
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A restraining order is not a disqualifier.

A conviction or withhold adjudication of guilt is.

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/cw_license_eligibility_requirements_web.pdf

"If you have had adjudication of guilt withheld or imposition of sentence suspended on any misdemeanor crime of domestic violence, you will be INELIGIBLE for licensure UNLESS THREE YEARS HAVE
ELAPSED SINCE PROBATION OR ANY OTHER COURT-IMPOSED CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN
FULFILLED (or the record has been sealed or expunged). "

 
RobRoy said:
Wait, wait, wait. The "stalking" was premeditated based on the 911 call. The 911 call doesn't show that the assault was premeditated.
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Fatso was going to make sure that Martin did not get away.

Fear for his life is out the window.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Can they just look through Martin's personal items without a warrant right there at the scene?

Also, they spent a while trying to revive him.

Was his phone right with him, or did it possibly take them time to find it?

Was it possibly broken?
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No, no warrant necessary. He was pronounced dead at the scene IIRC.

I wouldn't imagine his phone would have been very far from him, but it's certainly plausible. And I don't know about the condition of the phone. However, all it would take was a call to the carrier and ask for the last 24hrs of calls. Most companies will give that information to a LEO, especially to identify a deceased victim.
 
triforcharity said:
A restraining order is not a disqualifier.
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Ahh, thanks. I assumed it was something like that, as there hasn't been a single mention of Zimmerman breaking the law by having a conceal-to-carry.

leftysergeant said:
Fatso was going to make sure that Martin did not get away.

Fear for his life is out the window.
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I see what you're saying, but the conclusion is not necessarily correct. I may say I'm going to make sure that you don't get away, but that doesn't mean I now have the upper hand against you. In our confrontation, if you overpower me and start beating my head into the cement, then fear for life is right back in the game.

Although, I'm not certain what that has to do with the assault being "premeditated".
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Which corner did he back him into ?
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He was attempting to block Martin's retreat, even though the lunatic had no way of knowing where Martin was headed.

Also - legal rights don't mean much if your are not alive to exercise them. :(
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My point is that the only person we KNOW to have had the right, under SYG, to use lethal force was Martin. Makes fatboy look guilty, in my opinion.
 
sgtbaker said:
It's interesting where they got that information since no news outlet has been able to reach Zimmerman and that is not the account he gave to police. Zimmerman admits to following him and said nothing about checking road signs.
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The problem is, that is exactly the account, per the Sanford Police.

Unless I am of course missing something.
 
Lefty, I find the guy as creepy as you do, but can you please stop calling him "Fatso"?

It detracts from the points you're trying to make and just agitates people you're trying to convince.
 
A self-important twit who thinks he knows what looks right or not in his neighborhood has to get out of the vehicle to know where he is? Doesn't make sense.
 
I've heard that it is the account in the police report from the night of the event--that he got out of his car and was attacked from behind.
 
AlexW said:
I've heard that it is the account in the police report from the night of the event--that he got out of his car and was attacked from behind.
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If the idiot was trailing Martin, how did he get attacked from behind? He didn't look around before he got out of the vehicle? You really have to be one stupid twit not to look around before dismounting, and he prided himself on knowing how to watch suspects. How many places could Martin have hidden on the street?

Makes no sense.
 
Yeah, my take is that this was the "official story" until they were brow beat into releasing the 911 tapes; at which point the original story pretty much falls apart.
 
leftysergeant said:
If the idiot was trailing Martin, how did he get attacked from behind? He didn't look around before he got out of the vehicle? You really have to be one stupid twit not to look around before dismounting, and he prided himself on knowing how to watch suspects. How many places could Martin have hidden on the street?

Makes no sense.
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It does if Martin was actually a ninja. Then a lot of questions get answered . . . except how Zimmerman survived. Oh yeah, he had a gun.
 
AlexW said:
Yeah, my take is that this was the "official story" until they were brow beat into releasing the 911 tapes; at which point the original story pretty much falls apart.
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I am having trouble locating this 'official story' where Zimmerman claims he was attacked from behind by Martin.

It does not appear to come from the police report:
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

Can someone point in the general direction of this info ? Thanks.
 
leftysergeant said:
Fatso could be said to have provoked Martin into attacking him by trying to corner him. Martin was within his legal rights.
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If you really want to argue that then you have the bizarre situation where both were within their legal rights, and Zimmerman walks.
 
WildCat said:
If you really want to argue that then you have the bizarre situation where both were within their legal rights, and Zimmerman walks.
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No. The lunatic was following Martin for no apparent reason. He put Martin in a state of fear for his life. He was wrong and should have wound up dead.
 
Far as I know it was in his interview with the narcotics officer. I'll see if I can track down where I read that.
 
leftysergeant said:
No. The lunatic was following Martin for no apparent reason.
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There is an apparent reason, and it's well documented by Zimmerman's recorded phone call to police. He suspected Martin was a burglar.

leftysergeant said:
He put Martin in a state of fear for his life. He was wrong and should have wound up dead.
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And then (according to you) Martin attacked Zimmerman, putting him in fear of his life.

Under your scenario, both were justified and Zimmerman walks.
 
WildCat said:
There is an apparent reason, and it's well documented by Zimmerman's recorded phone call to police. He suspected Martin was a burglar.


And then (according to you) Martin attacked Zimmerman, putting him in fear of his life.

Under your scenario, both were justified and Zimmerman walks.
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He knew cops were on the way. He had no need to confront Martin. He just wanted to.

He had no probable cause to confront Martin.

Martin would have had probable cause to smoke his crazy ass.
 
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