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parnassus said:
Once again, comments on Ketchum's/Ramey's public page at facebook demonstrate that someone is unfamiliar with journals/peer review. I wonder how that could be?
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I will admit to being almost completely 'unfamiliar with journals/peer review', but have long guessed it to be littered with any number of important and strict formalities/regimentation(s), none of which have anything whatsoever to do with Facebook™. ;)

Drewbot said:
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?...lebrating-the-dna-results/page__fromsearch__1

Go here to discuss your party plans for the day when the DNA paper comes out and proves Bigfoot exists.
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Just FTR, that's a members-only-access page. I can't get to it. Regardless, apparently all those brain surgeons missed the glaring subtlety that such a 'results party' couldn't ever be about confirmation of any Bigfoot DNA - which by the way has an infinitely higher chance of being from Bill Clinton's Errant DNA Project® than it does from Bigfoot - but is in fact a celebration of a (literal) collective stupidity.

The entire affair's adherence to proper scientific principles/methods was no-doubt in allusions only. What makes someone think any non-insane 'peers' won't look at it for the obvious farce that it is? From what I've read (here mostly), even if the samples really were from such an animal, they've been so unsophisticated and unscientific in their supposed pursuit, any validity to it was voided long before anyone ever read a word.

Back here in the real world, about the best thing that could potentially occur is a small group of BP™ (Bigfoot People) will 'come out' to super-extra convince another larger group of BP™ that Bigfoot exists.

Sweaty: "Wow, very cool, thanks guys. Oh and please send clear pics of a real Bigfoot ASAP."
Ketchum: "Roger that! We're on it." <dialing Roger Patterson>
 
Nothing much to it, Harry.

You send a manuscript to the Journal. The editor sends it to referees who are selected because their research background matches the subject. The referees read the paper and make comments. They don't know who wrote the paper, and you don't know who is refereeing.

The editor reads the comments of the referees and makes a decision. The best world for the author is that it is accepted, and you'll probably have to shorten it and deal with the refereees comments, but that's all. You make the changes and if you are lucky within a year of the original submission you will see it in print.

It might be a "revise and resubmit" which means the editor likes the paper and subject but it can't be accepted without major revisions or more work or whatever. So you start over again, but at least they didn't reject it outright. If you re-submit then it is going back out to referees again. It will still have to be re-written one more time for publishing even if it is accepted. So this is most likely more than a year.


The third possibility is they tell you it is rejected and they aren't interested. Sometimes it might be a good paper but the editor thinks it isn't right for their journal. Maybe a specialty journal would like it as it stands, or a lower-ranked journal because it is pretty boring and inconsequential.

Journals can be ranked by how many times they are cited in papers. Most academics never publish in the top journal of their field their whole careers, not even a note let alone a full article.

Publishing a real peer-reviewed article on Bigfoot DNA would be just about as spectacular as a two-headed worm discovered on Mars. If a chain of custody could actually be established for the samples instead of "poofing" them into existence, it would go into any journal that received it.

That's the defining characteristic of bigfootery though - the lack of that. If you have a bigfoot in your barn for anyone to take DNA samples from - it's reproducible. That is bullet-proof science. If you can't or won't reveal where you got these samples - how dare you peddle them as from a mythical beast in a science journal. This is Mother Goose material, not science.
 
I think the other point that the Squatch Believers forget is that acceptance of a paper for publication is NOT validation of the conclusion. The data from the paper must stand the broader scrutiny of the scientific community, and as the Bush Pilot notes, the results must be reproducible. IF, and that is a huge "if", the paper ever gets published, I can almost guarantee that the original study material is either unavailable for further testing, or that that there is grand standing around intellectual property of the samples. Pretty much, as far as I can read into this, get the paper published, get the majority of people to "believe" it means Squatch exists, and then roll out your book/DVD/website. This will allow them to strike while the iron is hot, sell a bunch of believers stuff, and once the paper is eventually discredited by the scientific community, laugh all the way to the bank. The problem is that the discreditation won't receive nearly the press the original "discovery" will in the media.
 
The latest from the Ketchum Hokum: She has formed a Facebook page to start the discussion of Squatch protection. Really ? Maybe she should focus on getting that paper published and verified by real scientists before we place Squatch on the Endangered Species list. The second ring of the circus just opened with the clown car.
 
Another claim:
Dr. Melba Ketchum ‎... I have both the paper and a clear picture or two.
Yesterday at 6:35pm
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an earlier interesting quote, which I find QUITE odd:
Dr. Melba Ketchum
March 11
Whatever my results show, it doesn't matter other than to prove that they exist. ...
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Instead of taking extremist views like either full protection or outright killing, I think we need a more moderate policy of wounding them.
 
Hopefully the Ketchum Hokum hired a technical editor to write the paper, because her casual writing ability leaves a lot to be desired.
 
haz a sad for the bleevers:
Shawn Evidence:
... If rumors are correct and that Bigfoots are 1/3 of the way from human to chimp, then we might have a very complex social and political issue to deal with-- if these creatures are proven to exist.
Dr. Melba Ketchum:
Shawn, that is only a rumor, the 1/3 thing. Sorry. It will be politically charged though, I am sure as anytime something like this happens, it will get interesting.
Friday at 5:38pm
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If you ever wondered why they call it "crypto"zoology, you shouldn't, after trying to decipher TheMelba's jottings.
 
I am an engineer and live in a world of equations and numbers, and I would be reprimanded for constructing sentences like the Ketchum Hokum. Precision use of the King's English is very important in technical writing.
 
TheJackal said:
Hopefully the Ketchum Hokum hired a technical editor to write the paper, because her casual writing ability leaves a lot to be desired.
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With each passing day it becomes evident that there is not, and never was, a "paper". I am beginning to doubt if any DNA testing on submitted samples was actually performed.

This whole thing smells of hoax from the beginning. I just wonder how long it will take the bleevers to catch on.
 
I am willing to give Ketchum Hokum the benefit of the doubt that some sort of paper was authored, but I believe the paper met an untimely end during the review process. The paper will show up in a fringe journal or will be self published, if it exists. I also imagine that the paper will not survive wider scrutiny.
 
TheJackal said:
I am an engineer and live in a world of equations and numbers, and I would be reprimanded for constructing sentences like the Ketchum Hokum. Precision use of the King's English is very important in technical writing.
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Yogi Berra:
Baseball is ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
--Yogi Berra
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''Baseball is ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
--Yogi Berra''

What did Boo-Boo say?
 
dafydd said:
''Baseball is ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
--Yogi Berra''

What did Boo-Boo say?
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I am just guessing but probably something like.. " Gosh Yogi, We had better run for it ! "

How is it the UK and Russia have their creatures but left you guys out on the monster quest over in Western Europe ? Excellent Beer though !!:)
 
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