Santorum gone too far

[GreyArea]

Voters slowly realizing Santorum believes every word that comes out of his mouth.

This reminds me of something I've suspected for a while. Will the internet in general, and sites like Facebook in particular, finally create that legendary "permanent record"? I wonder if most normal teenagers and twenty-whatevers of today will be disqualified from office in the 2030's and 2040's because of their youthful indiscretions. They would have to surrender the field to the few like Santorum, whose internet history would show them to be demonstrably morally unstained, sincere in their folksy values^TM, and downright sweater-vest boring.

 

[Shalamar]

Regnad Kcin

HOW CUTE, SHOOTING OFF YOUR MOUTH WITHOUT PROVIDING A SINGLE SHREAD OF PROOF I AM WRONG!

For your sake, it is a good thing these are moderated forums or I would destroy you!

A couple things:

Despite what Star Wars says, your hate will not make you stronger.

Your caps lock seems to be broken, you might want to look into that.

Name calling will not magically convince others that you are correct. ( Dumocrats? Oduma?)

You may not have noticed, but this forum has a quote button. It is actually useful.

 

[Ladewig]

Are you talking about the three tenets that appear in Foley's book?

limited government,
unapologetic U.S. sovereignty, and
constitutional originalism.

I wasn't trying to be sarcastic or snarky. I really don't know the three tenets of the Tea party. To what are you referring?

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

When you've lost the Freepers...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2860230/posts

"What will the next major policy statement be; resurrecting the Temperance Union and Sunday Blue Laws??? This is a Commonwealh’s/State's Attorney General type issue not an agenda for the highest office in the U.S. ...what is Rick thinking???!!!"

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Any who do not support the Tea Party's Three Basic Tenets have a Screw lose. So do the retards who say the Tea Pary is racist!

Retard is a very hurtful word to those with family members or themselves have issues with cognative development or intellectual disablities.

http://www.r-word.org/

 

[RandFan]

Regnad Kcin

HOW CUTE, SHOOTING OFF YOUR MOUTH WITHOUT PROVIDING A SINGLE SHREAD OF PROOF I AM WRONG!

For your sake, it is a good thing these are moderated forums or I would destroy you!

Dunning-Kruger

 

[Scott Sommers]

Santorum is an idiot, but his ideas about pornography do point to real issues.

The issue of porn is not an just an issue of freedom of speech or even of morality. Even though the porn industry is supposed to be heavily regulated, outside of income tax laws, virtually nothing gets enforced. Porn remains the largest repository of exotic STDs in the USA. Even the AIDS testing of American porn stars is not properly conducted. In addition, it is a fact that since commercial sexual material became widely available, Western sexual practices have been gradually changing.

None of this has much to do with Santorum, who is making it a Christian issue. But the idea that porn is strictly a personal choice and does not impact public life is wrong. And if politicians, particularly in California, were willing to deal with these issues, Santirum would not be able to monopolize the debate in the way he has.

Porn does have a social influence. Unfortunately, the only people willing to talk about this in public are right-wing Christians nuts and some social critics interested in gender-based critique. None of this goes anywhere. Porn is a taboo topic. The Right gets around it by making it a moral issue and the Left does the same thing by appealing to some sort of libertarian principle. And as a result, the porn industry remains the largest unregulated industry in the modern world.

 

[RandFan]

Porn remains the largest repository of exotic STDs in the USA.

Evidence?

Even the AIDS testing of American porn stars is not properly conducted.

Source?

In addition, it is a fact that since commercial sexual material became widely available, Western sexual practices have been gradually changing.

And? Is that a good thing? Bad thing?

Porn does have a social influence. Unfortunately, the only people willing to talk about this in public...

I see it talked about all of the time. TYT, Howard Stern, Dr. Drew, etc..

But what is your opinion?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Regnad Kcin

HOW CUTE, SHOOTING OFF YOUR MOUTH WITHOUT PROVIDING A SINGLE SHREAD OF PROOF I AM WRONG!

"Shooting off [my] mouth?" Just commenting on your post, is all. Sue me.

Your post debunks itself, by the way.

For your sake, it is a good thing these are moderated forums...

It is a good thing as moderation helps promote level-headed, respectful discussion. I'm sorry that there are some who need a sheriff standing nearby to be on their best behavior.

...or I would destroy you

Nothing like starting a day with a smile.

 

[Scott Sommers]

Evidence?

Source?

And? Is that a good thing? Bad thing?

I see it talked about all of the time. TYT, Howard Stern, Dr. Drew, etc..

But what is your opinion?

Yes, yes...I know the JREF game. I'm a little surprised this should really need sourcing, but here goes anyway...

Fortunately, there is a hard to find website called Wikipedia that has all this unbelievable information about the porn industry and STDs that's really surprising...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornographic_film_actor#Pornographic_actors_and_STDs
and here for more information related to AIDS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_in_the_pornographic_film_industry
AIM, the indursty police organization is run by "Doctor" Sharon Mitchell. "Doctor" Mitchell is not really a doctor of anything...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Mitchell

At least 16 previously unpublicized HIV cases in porn film performers, public health officials say

Porn actress tests positive for HIV

More porn HIV cases disclosed

This is American porn, which is among the best regulated - or at least most heavily regulated - in the world.

Czech Pornstars Caught Syphilis

I could go on and on and on and on about this on. But I kind of figure it's common sense.

What's my point? Porn is a public health issue that needs to be adequately addressed. The fact that Santorum can talk about it like this points to the monopoly on discussion by fringe groups. This has been allowed to happen because 'proper society' keeps referring to porn as a personal choice. It is not anymore a personal choice than the inspection of food products or vaccination.

Or I could just quote my original post,

...the idea that porn is strictly a personal choice and does not impact public life is wrong. And if politicians, particularly in California, were willing to deal with these issues, Santorum would not be able to monopolize the debate in the way he has. Porn does have a social influence. Unfortunately, the only people willing to talk about this in public are right-wing Christians nuts and some social critics interested in gender-based critique.

 

[Corsair 115]

The original joke (from Cartoon Network) is "Semper fi tyrannosaurus." So Corsair 115 was either politely pointing out that I stole the joke or mildly pointing out that I had bungled the joke.

Neither, actually. I was just trying to continue the joke.

 

[steve s]

In addition, it is a fact that since commercial sexual material became widely available, Western sexual practices have been gradually changing.

No. Just do a search on "Ancient Sex Toys" to see that nothing has really changed over the centuries. If anything, they've changed for the better. We no longer dance around phallic poles.

Steve S

 

[Craig24]

Well he's lost the male vote after already alienating the female vote.

Then there is no one left to support. Left and Right want to mandate this and ban that. I don't really care, anymore, what it is that the statists of both parties want. I'm through with it. I'll vote for the better candidate on election day since someone will have to serve as President but I don't have to like everything or even most of what they will do.

 

[Scott Sommers]

No. Just do a search on "Ancient Sex Toys" to see that nothing has really changed over the centuries. If anything, they've changed for the better. We no longer dance around phallic poles.

Steve S

But that's not true either. There has always been graphic depictions of sex, but that's not what pornography is. The whole issue of 'porn' has become clouded by debates about obscenity and morality. But that's because no one will enter into a proper discussion of the topic and instead it has become controlled by Santorum and advocates of a gender-based social critique.

What Evil Angel or the Bang Brothers is that your search for "ancient sex toys" is not is a commercial product. Talking about it with the same discourse is like trying to talk about McDonald's with the same discourse as you would use to discuss a pre-modern diet. It would loose the ability - and in fact does loose it - to talk about why porn is a business that has brands and preferences and styles. The commercialized sale of sexual arousal has changed dramatically since I was young, or even since I was 25. The surprising thing to me is that the discussion about porn, even among researchers doesn't seem to have changed much since the 60s.

I'm not sure this is the right place to be talking about this. To bring this back to Rick Santorum, he is able to monopolize the discourse with his rhetoric about morality because there is no real response to this, even from the research literature. He can appear as a credible spokesman for some Americans, in a way that Ron Paul doesn't appear, because Paul's campaign is full of conspiracy theorists and right-wing Christians. And Santorum is able to do this because the liberal answer to Paul's conspiracy support is based in science. The liberal answer to Santorum's moral campaign is based in relative arguments about good and bad.

 

[TragicMonkey]

We no longer dance around phallic poles.

You've not been to Fire Island?

 

[fuelair]

Santorum is against jobs! And this is the kind of job you don't even have to go to school for. He's definitely blowing it.

If you check his last name on the net, I think you will find he's taking it up the other end of his digestive tract.........

 

[fuelair]

Santorum is an idiot, but his ideas about pornography do point to real issues.

The issue of porn is not an just an issue of freedom of speech or even of morality. Even though the porn industry is supposed to be heavily regulated, outside of income tax laws, virtually nothing gets enforced. Porn remains the largest repository of exotic STDs in the USA. Even the AIDS testing of American porn stars is not properly conducted. In addition, it is a fact that since commercial sexual material became widely available, Western sexual practices have been gradually changing.

None of this has much to do with Santorum, who is making it a Christian issue. But the idea that porn is strictly a personal choice and does not impact public life is wrong. And if politicians, particularly in California, were willing to deal with these issues, Santirum would not be able to monopolize the debate in the way he has.

Porn does have a social influence. Unfortunately, the only people willing to talk about this in public are right-wing Christians nuts and some social critics interested in gender-based critique. None of this goes anywhere. Porn is a taboo topic. The Right gets around it by making it a moral issue and the Left does the same thing by appealing to some sort of libertarian principle. And as a result, the porn industry remains the largest unregulated industry in the modern world.

I may be the only person here who follows/partially agrees with your view on this - and I will go so far as to say I actually up to a point agree -as in I think too many studies are toward the moral/victimization/disease/medical side and not enough to the reasons for the broad success of the business side and it's relationships to other media worldwide.

We disagree however on the medical for sure though: porn is no more a hotbed of protection/preservation of STDs than is your local chapter of Little Sisters of the Poor.

Yes, the persons acting in adult materials do have more contacts than most civilians but they are regularly checked for STDs and some registies make that information available to their colleagues. I suspect that prostitution (in the US), rape and unprotected sex - including heavily with minors (Africa/others) and the like have far more liklihood of sufficient expansion for dangerous mutations in the ferocity and spreadability of STD than the first world (non-prostitution )sex industry.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

The original joke (from Cartoon Network) is "Semper fi tyrannosaurus." So Corsair 115 was either politely pointing out that I stole the joke or mildly pointing out that I had bungled the joke. I liked my version more, so I went with it.

I think the original joke is indeed "Sic semper tyrannosaurus" as a dog-Latin version of "Sic semper tyrannis" (the motto of Virginia, and supposedly what both Brutus and John Wilkes Booth shouted while committing their respective assassinations). At the very least, "Sic semper tyrannosaurus" pre-dates the Cartoon Network (and indeed cable TV if not TV altogether). It's right up there with "Semper ubi sub ubi".

 

[RandFan]

Yes, yes...I know the JREF game.

"Game"? This is a skeptics forum.

Fortunately, there is a hard to find website called Wikipedia that has all this unbelievable information about the porn industry and STDs that's really surprising...

And wikipedia cannot be wrong? Your attitude is unhelpful to the conversation. This is a skeptics forum. It's perfectly appropriate to ask for sources. I can't address your claims unless I know what your view point is based on.

Just because you find some figures on wikipedia does not mean that the discussion is over. So settle down Francis and we can have a reasonable conversation, fair enough?

The high rate of STDs in the adult film industry started to change in 1998 when major adult film producers started implementing a regular periodic testing program for adult film actors. In the 1980s

The rate of STDs is a health problem that people are addressing according to your source (sadly there are idiots who are trying to take away the methods that have been shown to work).

What's my point? Porn is a public health issue that needs to be adequately addressed. The fact that Santorum can talk about it like this points to the monopoly on discussion by fringe groups.

I accept that it is a health issue that needs to be addressed but I reject the idea that it isn't being addressed. Your assertion doesn't make it so.

Or I could just quote my original post,

...the idea that porn is strictly a personal choice and does not impact public life is wrong.

Isn't this just a straw man? Who is arguing that we cannot address the health issues associated with porn for any reason?

 

[Arcade22]

The commercialized sale of sexual arousal has changed dramatically since I was young, or even since I was 25.

And?