Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[uke2se]

No, who he was?
Where I can hear the voice recording?

When and where that was recorded?

It is in English?

You're just yanking our chains, aren't you?

 

[A'isha]

No, who he was?

This guy.

 

[A'isha]

Prove me wrong.

Present your evidence.

There is any forensic samples which proves the alleged gas chambers were really gas chambers?

Here you go.

 

[uke2se]

Might I suggest that instead of trying to disprove the most referenced and researched single historical event of all time, you should start at the beginning?

World War II for Dummies.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

That is true. Because English is not my mother language I thought video and film had the same meaning.

Rubbish. You are typing here in English on an English language forum and pretended to be doing research into WWII. ....yet you are confused by simple anachronisms by asking for WWII "videos" and refuse to read the books that answer your questions.

You are basically saying "It is my personal opinion, without reading any books on the subject, that the Germans must have filmed the executions at...say Treblinka and therefore if members of an American skeptic forum can't provide me "video" there were no mass executions"

Why would the Germans send a team to film executions at Treblinka? Propaganda purposes? Would such footage assist them in their international fight over Katyn? Please describe your theory in detail. I need a laugh.

 

[SnakeTongue]

Already done many times in this thread and in the many books about the holocaust. Perhaps you should consider reading a few of them.

What kind of forensic samples?

The kind which proves that were gas chambers used to kill people.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I have been looking for pictures, videos, documents, but I cannot find anything in the Internet.

So after a vigorous five second search of the internet I locate Himmler's recording and inform SnakeTongue....who unfortunately doesn't know who Himmler is.

No, who he was?

Where I can hear the voice recording?

When and where that was recorded?

It is in English?

Here it is....( It seems you haven't even looked at the internet either)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a_cmbi3iIg

 

[uke2se]

The kind which proves that were gas chambers used to kill people.

What kind would that be? Give me an example.

Question: Would you consider yourself knowledgeable on the subject of the holocaust?

 

[A'isha]

The kind which proves that were gas chambers used to kill people.

What would that look like?

Or, in other words, fill in the blank: "If there were gas chambers that were used to kill people, I would expect to see..."

 

[SnakeTongue]

So after a vigorous five second search of the internet I locate Himmler's recording and inform SnakeTongue....who unfortunately doesn't know who Himmler is.

Here it is....( It seems you haven't even looked at the internet either)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a_cmbi3iIg

I do not really know. I will look into.

 

[SnakeTongue]

Question: Would you consider yourself knowledgeable on the subject of the holocaust?

Definitely not! That is why I am asking for the evidence.

 

[SnakeTongue]

What would that look like?

Or, in other words, fill in the blank: "If there were gas chambers that were used to kill people, I would expect to see..."

I do not want to select which kind of evidence will fit my questions. That is not scepticism.

What is important is the presence of reliable evidence for a rational examination.

You provided good links to pages which present forensic evidence and studies.

That is very good because I do not want ready a whole book about the subject. I prefer learn from articles from both sides of the dispute.

 

[uke2se]

I do not want to select which kind of evidence will fit my questions. That is not scepticism.

Yes, it pretty much is. You need to present your standards for accepting evidence in advance. If you don't, whatever we provide will be just handwaved by you. So, please provide your standards. What kind of evidence would you accept, precisely?

What is important is the presence of reliable evidence for a rational examination.

You provided good links to pages which present forensic evidence and studies.

That is very good because I do not want ready a whole book about the subject. I prefer learn from articles from both sides of the dispute.

There is no "both sides". There is history and there is the loons. Do you look at "both sides" of the creationism-evolution "dispute"? Do you look at "both sides" in the "moon landing hoax dispute"? Do you think a handful of ideologues and liars constitute a "side"?

 

[Clayton Moore]

I do not want to select which kind of evidence will fit my questions. That is not scepticism.

What is important is the presence of reliable evidence for a rational examination.

You provided good links to pages which present forensic evidence and studies.

That is very good because I do not want ready a whole book about the subject. I prefer learn from articles from both sides of the dispute.

The "evidence" for the "gas vans" www.codoh.com/found/fndwagon.html is just as bogus as the "evidence" for the "gas chambers" www.geniebusters.org/915/04g_gas.html A new book blasting the lie of the "gas vans" www.holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=24

http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/against-hollywoodism-revisionism.html
http://www.holocaustdenier.com/
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=6912


The best way to understand the Holocaust lie is to read the original lies, fabrications, and exaggerations. Many of which were cast aside because they were easily disproved. When I believed the Holocaust without question I also never questioned the FACT that the Germans made soap from the bodies of Jewish people.

The Holocaust is a huge jigsaw of events that cannot be linked together because they simply don't fit. Bottom line the Holocaust lie has the German Military performing 48 to 64/7 as opposed to the 24/7 of the opposing armies. No matter they were fighting and losing a war being fought on multiple fronts.

 

[tsig]

Prove me wrong.

Present your evidence.

There is any forensic samples which proves the alleged gas chambers were really gas chambers?

Would you also like an affidavit from one of the Jews who were gassed?

 

[tsig]

I do not want to select which kind of evidence will fit my questions. That is not scepticism.

What is important is the presence of reliable evidence for a rational examination.

You provided good links to pages which present forensic evidence and studies.

That is very good because I do not want ready a whole book about the subject. I prefer learn from articles from both sides of the dispute.

There's no dispute.

If I kicked you in the shins and you said 'ouch' would that be a dispute?

 

[tsig]

http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/against-hollywoodism-revisionism.html
http://www.holocaustdenier.com/
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=6912


The best way to understand the Holocaust lie is to read the original lies, fabrications, and exaggerations. Many of which were cast aside because they were easily disproved. When I believed the Holocaust without question I also never questioned the FACT that the Germans made soap from the bodies of Jewish people.

The Holocaust is a huge jigsaw of events that cannot be linked together because they simply don't fit. Bottom line the Holocaust lie has the German Military performing 48 to 64/7 as opposed to the 24/7 of the opposing armies. No matter they were fighting and losing a war being fought on multiple fronts.

Moving millions by rail was impossible for the German military?

 

[TSR]

The best way to understand the Holocaust lie is to read the original lies, fabrications, and exaggerations. Many of which were cast aside because they were easily disproved.

You mean like "No Holes, No Holocaust"?

Or more like "Chemistry is not the science"?

Or is that "No soil disturbance at Treblinka"?

Or are you finally owning up to your own lie about THHP?

The Holocaust lies are all yours, CM. And you don't cast them aside, you just pretend they were never told...

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

I think you did not read well. I am asking for videos, pictures and documents produced by the Germans during the WWII which shows a prisoner of concentration camps being gassed.

What you provide was a video of a constructed experiment inside a museum.

What part of "And don't try to move the goalpost now" didn't you understand? Your post was:

Could anyone point me where I can find evidence of people being kill inside a gas chamber (from 1939 to 1945 in German controlled facilities)? I have been looking for pictures, videos, documents, but I cannot find anything in the Internet.

So you wanted:
a) a video with
b) people in it being killed in
c) a gas chamber
d) by germans

It's in my last post, I'm done. What you just did is raise the bar, now suddenly I have to prove to you too, that the video is not staged. This is a sceptics board, we all know the moving the goalpost fallacy.

This video was of course taken by the germans. It was found by the allies. But hey, since you are the one, who now claims that this one is staged: PROVE IT! Who staged it, who are the actors in the video, when was it staged, and so on and on, you have absolutly nothing.

The rest of your post is useless and answer none of my questions.

Hmm that's odd. When I read the rest of my last post, I can see it adressing your post well, I even mentioned the logical fallacies in it, you commited. So again, how stupid do you think I'm? Everyone knows this standard answer for a post, that just kicked your racist nutty ideas in the balls. So did you do the math on the graves? Do you have evidence for Treblinka just being a transit camp?

No, you don't have anything. Everytime one asks you holocaust deniers for positive evidence you just put your finger in the ears, dance around and sing lalala.

Point well taken. I cannot think of a good reason.

Yeah, as you can see, you are not the only wasting his time. I did get a warning for my last post for the breach of the rule "Attack the argument, not the arguer", which is kind of ironic, but never mind, I better just shut up, before I get banned.

No, nothing like that was provided. Excerpt from the Youtube link provided:

Video from the 'Deadly Medicine' exhibit at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. This film shows naked emaciated psychiatric patients (including a child) being taken into a makeshift gas chamber where they were gassed to death. The commentary at the end is as follows.

You do realise, that even the video was recorded inside the museum, the film that is shown is still real?

There is a video of people taken into a room. That do not show any gassing or prove that gassing was used to kill people.

Not just a room, a room, that was about to being filled with the fumes of two cars. THIS is called gassing, it's exactly what you wanted.

 

[LemmyCaution]

No, who he was?

Where I can hear the voice recording?

When and where that was recorded?

It is in English?

Yanking of chains or Stundie level post? "No, who he was?" "It is in English?"

What a bizarre discussion.