Prove a Controlled Demolition that looks like 9/11

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Ok Truthers, enough of the dance. Enough nitpicks of this or that supposed bit. Enough arguments by incredulity. Enough Just Asking Questions. Enough ad hoc arguments and posting then running away.

Put up or shut up.

Here's your chance to shine. Show it could have happen. Go ahead, I double dog dares ya.

1. Create a workable hypothesis for CD
2. Simulate it if you can
3. Actually demolish a building for extra credit. Blowing things up is fun … if no one gets hurt.
4. Show it meets what the world heard, saw and chemically detected on 9/11

Go for it! We demolish buildings around the world all the time. Do one and show us all!
 
LSSBB said:
Ok Truthers, enough of the dance. Enough nitpicks of this or that supposed bit. Enough arguments by incredulity. Enough Just Asking Questions. Enough ad hoc arguments and posting then running away.

Put up or shut up.

Here's your chance to shine. Show it could have happen. Go ahead, I double dog dares ya.

1. Create a workable hypothesis for CD
2. Simulate it if you can
3. Actually demolish a building for extra credit. Blowing things up is fun … if no one gets hurt.
4. Show it meets what the world heard, saw and chemically detected on 9/11

Go for it! We demolish buildings around the world all the time. Do one and show us all!
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Sure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73qK4j32iuo
 
Here's how you can do it too!

  • Do it as a thesis project
  • Get a government grant. They were able to get a bridge to nowhere!
  • STEM... Sponsor a competition for High School students!
  • Use the unemployed, or OWS folks!
 
What, no more comments from any Truthers? Is this so hard for you? How can anyone believe it's possible for the buildings to be CD'd the way we saw them collapse on 9/11, if you can't show its possible?

All hat and no cattle?
All talk and no show?

Prove me wrong! Come on!

Hah!
 
I'd love to see a 9/11 Truther, especially one of those who demands iron-clad evidence, to show us

A single steelframe highrise building that is demolished using thermite. Please! We've been waiting for you guys to produce evidence for years now, and so far nada.

How about 9/11 Truthers get some nanothermite and demolish a highrise steelframe building with it.

Then their theories could be actually tested, instead of simply remaining hypothetical.


Steel buildings and concrete buildings have collapsed many times over the years, partially or fully, from fires. We have ample evidence for this.

We even can show how jet fuel can make a steel beam fail. It's been done already.

But for some reason truthers never produce either a model or a full-scale example to show their theories are true. I suspect (but I can't prove) that their theories are wrong.
If only they could prove it......
 
Another thing truthers haven't been able to demonstrate is an explosive demolition where the video cameras didn't pick up the explosions at all.

That would at least make credible their claim that there WERE explosions in WTC 7 as it fell, but somehow none of the cameras in NYC could detect them. :D
 
alienentity said:
Another thing truthers haven't been able to demonstrate is an explosive demolition where the video cameras didn't pick up the explosions at all.

That would at least make credible their claim that there WERE explosions in WTC 7 as it fell, but somehow none of the cameras in NYC could detect them. :D
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Good point, that's part of what I was thinking of when I said what was seen and heard.
 
This thread is just asking for some specific engineering proof, that's all. Can truthers dig around and find a highrise building demolished by thermite and/or nanothermite please?

It's a specific, clear request. The proof will be self-evident when it is presented.

I do hope they don't keep us waiting, since this is the moment of clarity they claim they want. Don't tell me we're just going to get the runaround! ;)
 
LSSBB said:
Ok Truthers, enough of the dance. Enough nitpicks of this or that supposed bit. Enough arguments by incredulity. Enough Just Asking Questions. Enough ad hoc arguments and posting then running away.

Put up or shut up.

Here's your chance to shine. Show it could have happen. Go ahead, I double dog dares ya.

1. Create a workable hypothesis for CD
2. Simulate it if you can
3. Actually demolish a building for extra credit. Blowing things up is fun … if no one gets hurt.
4. Show it meets what the world heard, saw and chemically detected on 9/11

Go for it! We demolish buildings around the world all the time. Do one and show us all!
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tmd2_1 said:
Sure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73qK4j32iuo
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Put quite simply tmd, your reply does not address what the OP says.

You have shown a video of a structure for which the mode of collapse has been contested, fire induced collapse compounded by idiosyncrasies of the structure vs. some vaguely defined manner of controlled demolition.

The OP says to take over the demolition of a (similar) steel structure and attempt to collapse it without prior structural weakening, without removing any glass or contents, using some manner of incindiary and/or explosives and show that it can be brought down in a manner very similar to that seen and heard when the WTC structures came down.

IOW the OP calls for a controlled test situation.
SHC chimes in that you and he and the 911 truth movement don't need to do that but that the so-called 'official story' believers do. Perhaps that could be done. I'd applaud it, but SHC and you would reject it anyway since if it did conclude that fire induced collapse could be global given certain conditions(initial impact damage or structural asymmetry, in long span steel structures, for eg.) and cry that it was faked, faked, faked, cannot be believed because the janitor worked for an agency which cleaned post offices.:eek:
 
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I should add to our demand that 9/11 Truthers show examples of CD's by the methods they claim took place on 9/11 - they will also need to show, based on their Official Hypothesis of nanothermite, a demolition using painted-on nanthermite. Since the Official Hypothesis of AE911Truth, Richard Gage, Steven Jones, Niels Harrit etc etc is that the red/grey WTC dust chips are direct evidence (I'm not saying I agree, but that's the Official Story in their words), and the chips have a particular morphology, this must then be replicated and demonstrated using large-scale physical tests.
 
alienentity said:
I should add to our demand that 9/11 Truthers show examples of CD's by the methods they claim took place on 9/11 - they will also need to show, based on their Official Hypothesis of nanothermite, a demolition using painted-on nanthermite. Since the Official Hypothesis of AE911Truth, Richard Gage, Steven Jones, Niels Harrit etc etc is that the red/grey WTC dust chips are direct evidence (I'm not saying I agree, but that's the Official Story in their words), and the chips have a particular morphology, this must then be replicated and demonstrated using large-scale physical tests.
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As a lead in to such a large scale CD controlled test, perhaps Harrit et all could obtain several ounces of red-grey chips mined from WTC dust and do a controlled test with it to see if it can melt a 1/2 inch thick steel bar steel bar or even warm it by 100 degrees C.
 
jaydeehess said:
As a lead in to such a large scale CD controlled test, perhaps Harrit et all could obtain several ounces of red-grey chips mined from WTC dust and do a controlled test with it to see if it can melt a 1/2 inch thick steel bar steel bar or even warm it by 100 degrees C.
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I still maintain that they should paint it on, because the chips are composed of a very thin layer of pigmented epoxy-based material bonded to an oxidized flake of steel.

Unless truthers want to retract their hypothesis and suggest a better one.
 
alienentity said:
I still maintain that they should paint it on, because the chips are composed of a very thin layer of pigmented epoxy-based material bonded to an oxidized flake of steel.

Unless truthers want to retract their hypothesis and suggest a better one.
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I would like to see the layer be composed of the exact substance contained in the Harrit dust. If its possible to separate the thermitic component from the epoxy and then to remix it with epoxy and paint it on I'm all for it.
Failing that I would accept them manufacturing a paint on thermite and performing the test. However the compound should of course have similar make up to the dust's chips.
 
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jaydeehess said:
I would like to see the layer be composed of the exact substance contained in the Harrit dust. If its possible to separate the thermitic component from the epoxy and then to remix it with epoxy and paint it on I'm all for it.
Failing that I would accept them manufacturing a paint on thermite and performing the test. However the compound should of course have similar make up to the dust's chips.
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If we really want to be demanding we could specify that it must exactly match (in SEDX, DSC and FTIR etc) the chips from the Harrit paper and the Millette paper as well.
 
We'll see what truthers can come up with. I'm gonna predict they'll do nothing except try to evade the challenge and derail the thread. But they could prove me wrong. Doubt it though..
 
Another thing truthers will need to do is set up a building with (whatever special silent explosives they've invented) and then, to simulate just WTC 7, for example, set fire to it and allow a lot of floors to burn for a few hours.
Then they'll need to show that the demolition charges (hypothetical, since I haven't got a clue what kind of explosive doesn't make a loud bang) will still work.

That's going to be really, really tough, but I'm sure truthers will be able to do it, since they seem so convinced as to how it happened.
Now, if truthers are basing their theories on untested conjecture, who knows? They'll probably not be able to duplicate the 9/11 collapses using either thermite or nanothermite.

But before this experiment happens, truthers will, I'm sure, stop making these claims as fact and present them instead as 'working theories' or 'guesses'. They might want to retract all their allegations against FDNY and Larry Silverstein as well in the meantime.

That would be the prudent, adult thing to do. So I'm sure that's what will happen... :cool:
 
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