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Prove a Controlled Demolition that looks like 9/11

alienentity said:
Another thing truthers will need to do is set up a building with (whatever special silent explosives that they've invented) and then, to simulate just WTC 7, for example, set fire to it and allow a lot of floors to burn for a few hours.
Then they'll need to show that the demolition charges (hypothetical, since I haven't got a clue what kind of explosive doesn't make a loud bang) will still work.

That's going to be really, really tough, but I'm sure truthers will be able to do it, since they seem so convinced as to how it happened.
Now, if truthers are basing their theories on untested conjecture, who knows? They'll probably not be able to duplicate the 9/11 collapses using either thermite or nanothermite.

But before this experiment happens, truthers will, I'm sure, stop making these claims as fact and present them instead as 'working theories' or 'guesses'. They might want to retract all their allegations against FDNY and Larry Silverstein as well in the meantime.

That would be the prudent, adult thing to do. So I'm sure that's what will happen... :cool:
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I disagree. I don't think the fire is required since explosives could be planted in places where fire won't go and besides, 911 conspiracies dictate that fire does not allow a building to collapse.
 
We should make a list of unanswered questions and untested theories of 9/11 Truth and send a petition to AE911Truth to get them dealt with.

Richard Gage and AE911Truth are positioning themselves as the authoritative body speaking for 9/11 Truth. They're producing a lot of Official Propaganda, they're presenting to community groups and even university students, and they're backing petition efforts even in Canada.
I noticed that they've also translated their propaganda videos into many languages.

That's why I think AE911Truth is the right organization to petition with a list of unanswered questions and untested theories. Richard Gage ought to be asked these questions when he appears in public - after all, he's putting himself out there as 'the man' on 9/11 Truth.
 
jaydeehess said:
I disagree. I don't think the fire is required since explosives could be planted in places where fire won't go and besides, 911 conspiracies dictate that fire does not allow a building to collapse.
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Yah, but in order to accurately test their hypothesis the buildings need to be on fire.
I realize it's not in the OP, but the conditions need to simulate those that actually happened, dontcha think?

I'd love to see them produce some blastwave models and microphone tests also to establish their main claims that explosives would be too soft to be captured.

Clearly there's much work ahead for them to do.
 
alienentity said:
We should make a list of unanswered questions and untested theories of 9/11 Truth and send a petition to AE911Truth to get them dealt with.

Richard Gage and AE911Truth are positioning themselves as the authoritative body speaking for 9/11 Truth. They're producing a lot of Official Propaganda, they're presenting to community groups and even university students, and they're backing petition efforts even in Canada.
I noticed that they've also translated their propaganda videos into many languages.

That's why I think AE911Truth is the right organization to petition with a list of unanswered questions and untested theories. Richard Gage ought to be asked these questions when he appears in public - after all, he's putting himself out there as 'the man' on 9/11 Truth.
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I like that! :)
 
If real nanothermite combusts in a DSC around 530ºC, and the WTC dust chips (claimed to be some form of nanothermite by 9/11 Truthers) combust at about 430ºC,
wouldn't any of this stuff have been burned up in the fires that burned out of control in WTC 7? After all, ordinary fires are proven to burn at up to 1100ºC, so that would have destroyed a material which was placed there surely.

Has any truther tested their claim by showing that an explosive charge could still function after being burned for a few minutes or hours? That the wires would still hold and function?

Is there any data to support truthers here? I haven't heard of any.

ETA if truthers posit that the explosives (according to their hypothesis) were radio controlled, then wouldn't the radio receivers also have been subject to the same vagaries of fire damage that the alleged explosive charges were subject to?
I wonder, if I burn a piece of electronics like a walkie-talkie, will it still work? Somehow I doubt it. Perhaps truthers can prove me wrong by testing their hypothesis as good scientists would, rather than just making claims without data, as truthers do now.
 
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Well, I must say I am disappointed... so far.

I would think the Truth community would have reacted better than this.

This could be the "Shot Heard 'Round the World" for them!

They could rally the troops. "Come on guys, lets blow up a building, and show them!" I'm picturing Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland here, getting the kids together to put on a show.

But I'm serious, dead serious. They have a chance to show their testicular fortitude, to show they truly are more than "All Hat and no Cattle".

All I get so far is a whiney troll and a half-hearted attempt at a Youtube comparison. With no sound even!




Come on, guys. You do want to show the world, don't you?



Don't you?




ETA: Now I know how Randi feels with his challenge. And he even offers a million bucks.
 
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LSSBB said:
Well, I must say I am disappointed... so far.

I would think the Truth community would have reacted better than this.

This could be the "Shot Heard 'Round the World" for them!

They could rally the troops. "Come on guys, lets blow up a building, and show them!" I'm picturing Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland here, getting the kids together to put on a show.

But I'm serious, dead serious. They have a chance to show their testicular fortitude, to show they truly are more than "All Hat and no Cattle".

All I get so far is a whiney troll and a half-hearted attempt at a Youtube comparison. With no sound even!




Come on, guys. You do want to show the world, don't you?



Don't you?




ETA: Now I know how Randi feels with his challenge. And he even offers a million bucks.
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The failed 911 truth movement believers are not up to the challenge. Physic, math, and engineering, are not used by 911 truth.

They can't do original work, they have to cut and paste or troll, posting nothing.
 
Edx said:
I wonder why there's not sound tmd!! Also strange they left out the rest of the collapse, isnt it?
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My favorite part:

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Matter forcibly ejected from the CD building Vs. WTC7's face beginning to distort from the interior collapsing.

Truthers live in a very special world. If for any reason I lose my mind and take up residence in that place, you have my permission to shoot me. Quickly.
 
LSSBB said:
Well, I must say I am disappointed... so far.

I would think the Truth community would have reacted better than this.

This could be the "Shot Heard 'Round the World" for them!

They could rally the troops. "Come on guys, lets blow up a building, and show them!" I'm picturing Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland here, getting the kids together to put on a show.

But I'm serious, dead serious. They have a chance to show their testicular fortitude, to show they truly are more than "All Hat and no Cattle".

All I get so far is a whiney troll and a half-hearted attempt at a Youtube comparison. With no sound even!




Come on, guys. You do want to show the world, don't you?



Don't you?




ETA: Now I know how Randi feels with his challenge. And he even offers a million bucks.
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Wow, LSSBB! You're showing your age with that reference! :D

Seriously though, I don't think you're ever going to get truthers to ever actually do anything out of fear that their work will be used to prove them wrong. Look at the colossal failure of Truther Burn. Though it was quickly brushed aside and the faithful went right along with it, it was a gross embarrassment for them.

Actually do something? Why should they when Richard Gage can still generate $400K in donations in a year by doing absolutely nothing!
 
cantonear1968 said:
Wow, LSSBB! You're showing your age with that reference! :D

Seriously though, I don't think you're ever going to get truthers to ever actually do anything out of fear that their work will be used to prove them wrong. Look at the colossal failure of Truther Burn. Though it was quickly brushed aside and the faithful went right along with it, it was a gross embarrassment for them.

Actually do something? Why should they when Richard Gage can still generate $400K in donations in a year by doing absolutely nothing!
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Don't get me started on how I got to school in my day:D

I think Gage could use that to get a top-notch demolitions company together. He, Harrit, Jones and all could clean up on patent rights.

After all, who would contest them on the patents?
 
AJM8125 said:
Double tap. It's the only way to be sure.
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Thermite and CD, the sign of woo. Killed 911 truth out of the box.

911 truth are single point failures, they adopt crazy claims due to ignorance. They have 10 solid years of failure.

E=mgh, physics, what 911 truth believers don't have, so they make idiotic claims based on lies.
 
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