All Red Meat is Bad for You

Lowpro said:
There's was a rather large cohort study in China regarding red meat consumption (rural areas do not have as much available red meat as urban areas) showing an increase in mortality rate.

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archinternmed.2011.2287

I've not read anything much though through it, mostly out of lack of interest and my ribs are almost done ^^
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Cool. That's some similar results. I'm pretty sure we have this journal at work (OSU Valley Library), So I'll give it a looksee beyond the abstract.
 
That link should have the entire paper, though it's a script so if you have a script blocker you may not see it.

Just remember that it's a cohort study, and mostly those offer preliminary data that will support further research, such as possibly gaining grant funding towards researching the pathology involved in red meat and cardiovascular disease.
 
Lowpro said:
That link should have the entire paper, though it's a script so if you have a script blocker you may not see it.

Just remember that it's a cohort study, and mostly those offer preliminary data that will support further research, such as possibly gaining grant funding towards researching the pathology involved in red meat and cardiovascular disease.
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ah, thanks for the heads up.
 
This observational study is quite poor. Don't tell me red meat kills me when you can't separate meat intake from sugar and what intake (e.g. to them mcdonalds burgers are "red meat").

Also the methodology for this observational study is quite poor. Based on their own data it's more like red meat eating also corresponds with other behaviors that are bad for your health (less exercise, smoking etc). If everyone is told not to eat red meat and people who try to live healthier skip the red meat it would show up in a study like this. Also take a look at the reported caloric intakes.

Bottom line this study proves nothing about "red meat". I'll be eagerly awaiting some real science to examine on this issue.
 
NewtonTrino said:
This observational study is quite poor. Don't tell me red meat kills me when you can't separate meat intake from sugar and what intake (e.g. to them mcdonalds burgers are "red meat").
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Uh...hate to tell you this, but "mcdonalds burgers" are red meat.
 
Checkmite said:
Uh...hate to tell you this, but "mcdonalds burgers" are red meat.
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When was the last time you ordered just the hamburger patty?
 
NewtonTrino said:
This observational study is quite poor. Don't tell me red meat kills me when you can't separate meat intake from sugar and what intake (e.g. to them mcdonalds burgers are "red meat").

Also the methodology for this observational study is quite poor. Based on their own data it's more like red meat eating also corresponds with other behaviors that are bad for your health (less exercise, smoking etc). If everyone is told not to eat red meat and people who try to live healthier skip the red meat it would show up in a study like this. Also take a look at the reported caloric intakes.

Bottom line this study proves nothing about "red meat". I'll be eagerly awaiting some real science to examine on this issue.
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I assume you're talking about first paper, not the chinese study. From the first paper:

The results were adjusted for age; body mass index; alcohol consumption; physical activity level; smoking status; race; menopausal status and hormone use in women; family history of diabetes mellitus, myocardial infarction, or cancer; history of diabetes mellitus, hypertension, or hypercholesterolemia; and intakes of total energy, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables.
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(My quote is actually edited to remove details. Please see the original for the levels they used for each factor.)

While there may be other relevant factors, they seem to have covered the obvious ones.
 
NPR aired a piece on this study yesterday: Death By Bacon?

One of the researchers on the study drew a slightly different conclusion:

"We're not talking about a vegetarian diet " says Hu. "A moderate consumption, for example one serving every other day, I think is fine."​

The information on bacon and hot dogs was also interesting. I especially loved the spokesperson for the American Meat Institute Foundation:

"I don't think there are a lot of risks associated with those processes [used to produce hot dogs or bacon]," says Betsy Booren, director of scientific affairs for the AMI Foundation.

"They're made from meat, which is needed in the body," Booren says. And she argues it's unfair to single out meat, when there are many risk factors for cancer and heart disease.​
 
So far as I can see it is a questionnaire. Not saying it has no value but certainly not as much as a real checking what people eat. *shrug*. If the tradeoff for eating meat is a few years.... Then i shall trade off. It is not as if life quality after 70 or 80 is a valid trade off agaisnt life queality at 20-40 anyway.
 
RobRoy said:
NPR aired a piece on this study yesterday: Death By Bacon?

One of the researchers on the study drew a slightly different conclusion:

"We're not talking about a vegetarian diet " says Hu. "A moderate consumption, for example one serving every other day, I think is fine."​

The information on bacon and hot dogs was also interesting. I especially loved the spokesperson for the American Meat Institute Foundation:

"I don't think there are a lot of risks associated with those processes [used to produce hot dogs or bacon]," says Betsy Booren, director of scientific affairs for the AMI Foundation.

"They're made from meat, which is needed in the body," Booren says. And she argues it's unfair to single out meat, when there are many risk factors for cancer and heart disease.​
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Bacon too??

Wasn't pork supposed to be "the other white meat"?? :(
 
I've gone to red meat once a week and feel that's the best I can do. If that's too much, eff it.
 
Checkmite said:
Uh...hate to tell you this, but "mcdonalds burgers" are red meat.
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Red meat is *one component*. So how do you know if it's the red meat or something else?

If you lump in fast food hamburgers with red meat what result would you expect? Just curious.

I would love to see the same study where they compare fast food eaters to non-fast food eaters. Or a myriad of other things.
 
I am a bit suspicious of the study because, if it were true, surely we would see a huge majority of the truly aged to be lifelong vegetarians. If there were such studies, then we would not be able to get the vegetarians to ever shut up.

Any read of a study that interviewed a few thousand old folks to see what their lifetime eating were?

(Before anyone suggests I DOMYOWNGOOGLING, I may get to it later today but I have a garage door to paint while the Sun is still shining and rain and thunder is forecast for Thursday.)
 
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