Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[fess]

Enclosed artificial atmospheres; subs, airplanes, diving bells, space capsules all require "treatment". The level of sophistication treatment wise is variable. Engineers, environmental specialists consider O2 adequacy and regulation(of concentration), CO2 removal/scrubbing, humidification/dehumidification, temperature regulation.

Other than being pressurized, how is the atmosphere inside of an aircraft artificial? You really don’t have to prove to us that you are incompetent Patrick, we all knew it on page one.

My Accusations Are Very Well Supported Jay

No, They aren't, not even close.

I see you claim to be a musician; I would say you have been playing in the Locrian Mode too long.

 

[Patrick1000]

This looks fairly reliable/"good".......

How was CO2 removed before the accident?

How was CO2 removed in all the other missions?

Did Apollo 13 take enough equipment to scrub CO2 throughout the entire full length mission?

Were the CO2 scrubbers passive devices waiting for air to just waft over them, or was air circulated through them?

What air pressure was Apollo 13 operating at? Would this have any bearing on CO2 production, particularly with reference to your 1 Kg a day production figure?

This looks fairly reliable/"good".......Such as NASA BULL can be vewed as "good".

At any rate, it is my contention/claim, that they did not/could not have scrubbed the air free of CO2 given the energy requirements and the circumstances.......

http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/s6ch5.htm

 

[R.A.F.]

This gets my vote for moving the thread to humor.

How many votes does it take to move this thread to humor??

 

[SUSpilot]

I see you claim to be a musician; I would say you have been playing in the Locrian Mode too long.

Actually, to give him his due. If he's who I think he is, he's a darned good one.

Doesn't mean he's at all right about Apollo...

 

[Patrick1000]

Sure my accusations are well supported.

Other than being pressurized, how is the atmosphere inside of an aircraft artificial? You really don’t have to prove to us that you are incompetent Patrick, we all knew it on page one.



No, They aren't, not even close.

I see you claim to be a musician; I would say you have been playing in the Locrian Mode too long.

Sure my accusations are well supported fess. Same question to you as to everyone else here. What other reason did Borman have to LIE in writing his piece on Apollo 8 other than his need to cover up the FRAUD's gaffe with regard to the cislunar diarrhea/illness issue?

This one single LIFE magazine article is adequate to support every contention I have made, and support these contentions well enough to PROVE Apollo, all of Apollo, fraudulent fess. Go ahead Fess, give us all YOUR INTERPRETATION of the now famously infamous Frank Borman LIE here;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQC3-45M&feature=g-upl&context=G2951636AUAAAAAAADAA


NOW THAT!!!!! IS A CLAIM WELL SUPPORTED. Show us all it ain't so Fess, your colleagues, indeed the astronauts' lyin' heinies themselves, are depending on you.


What say you to Frank's claim about taking seconal a second time and making himself sick on purpose? Come on fess, let's see you prove me wrong, show my claim about lyin' heiny Frank to be wrong......

 

[JayUtah]

Gives one an Idea as to what a spaceship really is...

I build them. You don't. You don't understand them. Please stop trying to be the "teacher." I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[AdMan]

So, may I assume I have your permission to move this thread to Humor?

I am still waiting for Patrick to answer this.

 

[abaddon]

Enclosed artificial atmospheres; subs, airplanes, diving bells, space capsules all require "treatment". The level of sophistication treatment wise is variable. Engineers, environmental specialists consider O2 adequacy and regulation(of concentration), CO2 removal/scrubbing, humidification/dehumidification, temperature regulation.

Ever heard of submarines snorkeling?

Ever heard of aircraft using bleed air?

Ever heard of diving bells having a direct air feed from the surface?

Ever think for a moment that "space capsules" are an entirely different proposition than those?

Ever think that those engineers you mention designed the CO2 scrubbers to specification? IE to run and last for the appropriate amount of time for the missions?

 

[Erock]

That said, there is no question that the alleged relevant system was alleged to have not been running during the Apollo 13 mission after the explosion, except initially of course, while there was still power. As such, the alleged air was NOT SCRUBBED and APOLLO 13 CAN NOW BE DECLARED FULL ON BONA FIDE FLAT OUT FOR SURE FOR TRUE FRO REAL FOR NO AVAILABLE WIGGLE ROOM IN THE 500 SQUARE FOOT PHONY CABIN AND NO WAY OUT NOW FOR THE PERPS FRAUDULENT.

http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/s2ch5.htm

"The carbon dioxide levels recorded by sensors in the Command and Lunar Modules remained well below the limit of 1010.8 N/m2 (7.6 torr) except for the return flight of the Apollo 13 spacecraft. The Lunar Module environmental control system was used for approximately 83 hours on this mission, and the first lithium hydroxide cartridge was used for approximately 83 manhours. During this time, the carbon dioxide level was permitted to increase to an indicated 1981.7 N/m2 (14.9 torr). Subsequently, four CM cartridges were used in a special arrangement devised and tested at the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center during the mission. By using this arrangement of four lithium hydroxide cartridges, carbon dioxide levels were maintained between 13.3 and 239.4 N/m2 (0.1 and 1.8 torr). "

Here is a picture of the special arrangement used.

From the ALSJ:
"AS13-62-8929 ( 162k or 583k )
Inflight photo of the device constructed by the crew from duct tape, maps and other materials they had on hand as per instructions provided by Houston. This device allowed use of box-shaped Command Module lithium hydroxide canisters in conjunction with the LM Environmental Control system, which is the large white unit that fills most of the frame. The LM LiOH canisters were cylindrical in shape and fit into the receptacles at the lower left. "

A big round of applause everybody, for Docsocks - da greatest greatest EVER EVER EVER Apollo historian and <insert bogus arrogant claim here> in da whole wide world, who has no WIGGLE room to backpeddle into.

 

[abaddon]

So Fake, so phony, so staged, it's trwew it's TRWEW...

Another critical point demonstrating with unmitigated metaphysical certitude the FRAUDULENCE of the Aldrin/Sibrel cage match, and along with it, the unmitigated FRAUDULENCE of all of Apollo.

Recall how the talented thespian NOT claimed in chapter 20 of his book MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION, a chapter entitled "A BLOW HEARD 'ROUND THE WORLD", an entire chapter dedicated to this OBVIOUS PUBLICITY STUNT THAT ANY MIDDLE SCHOOLER COULD AND NOW MUST RECOGNIZE AS SUCH, that the "Far Eastern" film crew/interviewers turned out to be a hostile lot, pitching to Sir Laurence Light questions with APOLLO FRAUD overtones/implications. The world's worst actor then emphasizes in his book that he ended the interview there, did not linger, said his "goodbyes" and split.

So what are these guys doing following Aldrin around filming him downstairs for? Aldrin would not have permitted that. Filming someone like this is not illegal, but let's get real here. Aldrin let these people know that their questions with the "hoax" implications were not welcome. He told them the interview was OVER. They would not continue to film him, down the elevator, downstairs to the lobby where they would all FIND a waiting Bart Sibrel.

The video you see is that shot by Sibrel's crew, "the Far Eastern" crew is itself filmed, and filmed in these scenes by Sibrel's team.

The fact that this HOSTILE FAR EASTERN CREW CONTINUES TO FOLLOW ALDRIN AND AT TIMES BE SEEN TO AT LEAST BE FEIGNING TO FILM THE THESPIAN, IS FURTHER PROOF THAT THIS THING IS STAGED.

Take a careful look and try as you may, try as you might to prove me wrong, show me how this bogus thing is anything but FAKE!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdJGonxoCE&context=C359bf86ADOEgsToPDskJFjn7nHpP6kVyqvLl6RJnA

They had no reason to follow him once told their interview was over. What were they going to do, follow Aldrin to his car and film him climbing in? Not that such a filming would not have some interest for someone GENUINELY HOSTILE like me. You know, it is a bit ODD!!!!!!! this busy street featured NOT A SINGLE CAR rolling by during this PHONY AS ALL GET OUT STAGED PUNCHING SCENARIO.

17, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7......JIVE OFF, NOT TO MENTION RIP OFF, WEE HAVE JIVE OFF AND RIP OFF.......

Have you nothing original?

GLP thread from 2010.

Is that where you ripped off the crazy notion?

 

[JayUtah]

Sure my accusations are well supported fess.

You don't act like you believe this. You've been given the opportunity to present your findings to qualified flight surgeons in person, but the only engagement you want is from behind your cloak of secrecy, so that you can run away or ignore them.

Bluster -- argument rejected.

Same question to you as to everyone else here. What other reason did Borman have...

Begging the question -- argument rejected.

This one single LIFE magazine article is adequate to support every contention I have made...

Translation: I have to hammer my secondary sources because I either don't understand the primary sources or because that's all I can find.

Show us all it ain't so Fess, your colleagues, indeed the astronauts' lyin' heinies themselves, are depending on you.

No, you stand alone. No one agrees with you. There is and never has been any legitimate controversy over anything you've said. Your claims hold only in the little fantasy world you've built for yourself.

What say you to Frank's claim...

Why don't you say it to Frank? Oh, that's right -- you're terrified to do so without your security blanket.

 

[SpitfireIX]

This looks fairly reliable/"good".......Such as NASA BULL can be vewed as "good".

At any rate, it is my contention/claim, that they did not/could not have scrubbed the air free of CO2 given the energy requirements and the circumstances.......

http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/s6ch5.htm

Prove it.

 

[threadworm]

This looks fairly reliable/"good".......Such as NASA BULL can be vewed as "good".

At any rate, it is my contention/claim, that they did not/could not have scrubbed the air free of CO2 given the energy requirements and the circumstances.......

http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/s6ch5.htm

Aaah excellent, you've quoted my post, so you've answered my questions.

Just looking for them now...must be here somewhere....nope, you seem to have forgotten to answer them.

 

[SUSpilot]

This looks fairly reliable/"good".......Such as NASA BULL can be vewed as "good".

At any rate, it is my contention/claim, that they did not/could not have scrubbed the air free of CO2 given the energy requirements and the circumstances.......

http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/s6ch5.htm

Why? LiH is passive - all you have to do is pass air through it.

PTFE? Debates? Process photography/videography?

 

[SUSpilot]

This one single LIFE magazine article is adequate to support every contention I have made, and support these contentions well enough to PROVE Apollo, all of Apollo, fraudulent fess. Go ahead Fess, give us all YOUR INTERPRETATION of the now famously infamous Frank Borman LIE here;

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NOW THAT!!!!! IS A CLAIM WELL SUPPORTED. Show us all it ain't so Fess, your colleagues, indeed the astronauts' lyin' heinies themselves, are depending on you.


What say you to Frank's claim about taking seconal a second time and making himself sick on purpose? Come on fess, let's see you prove me wrong, show my claim about lyin' heiny Frank to be wrong......

Let's start with "he took Seconal a second time."

Second, there's nothing "famous" about this thread. Just a few of arguing against your unsubstantiated and illogical claims.

Third, no one is "depending" on Fess or anyone else. Y'see, the historical fact is that we went to the Moon. As documented. Sorry you don't like it, Patrick, but that's how the cookie crumbles.

 

[KA9Q]

How Apollo 13 scrubbed its CO2

So far, I have found good information on the Space shutte with regard to atmosphere treatment specifics. Not so good with regard to Apollo so far.

There is plenty of published data on the Apollo environmental control systems, including the CSM, LM and PLSS. You just haven't looked hard enough.

Consider the Apollo 13 scenario as conventionally presented. We are asked to believe that the modified Lithium Hydroxide containing canisters will somehow suck the CO2 in, or the CO2 will simply diffuse into the canister and combine with Lithium hydroxide to give trapped lithium carbonate. This cannot occur. 23 pounds of carbon dioxide would have been generated by the astronauts over those 3 and one half days, and that carbon dioxide would require ACTIVE MOVEMENT THROUGH THE SCRUBBING SYSTEM TO BE REMOVED.

Look at photos AS13-62-8929 and AS13-62-9004 showing the jury-rigged CSM LiOH canister mounted in the LM. Note carefully that it is not just floating freely around the cabin. Note carefully something called a hose coming out of the bottom and going to the environmental control system. Think about why that hose is there and you'll have your answer.

Indeed the cabin gas does require active movement through the scrubber. That's exactly why the circulation fans in the LM ECS were one of the few remaining loads when most everything else was powered down for the trip home. The total LM load during that time still averaged about 300 watts. Do you really not think that could include a blower?

 

[R.A.F.]

...it is my contention/claim, that they did not/could not have scrubbed the air free of CO2 given the energy requirements and the circumstances.......

So? You find it impossible to understand how they did it, so it couldn't have happened?


Are you really that ignorant??

 

[R.A.F.]

...let's see you prove me wrong, show my claim about lyin' heiny Frank to be wrong......

How sad for you that you continue in your attempts to shift the burden of proof away from yourself...it is so very sad....

The Apollo missions are ESTABLISHED, HISTORICAL FACT. Those who disagree have the burden of proving that the missions did not happen.

...so why can't you do that, Patrick?

 

[fess]

Sure my accusations are well supported fess. Same question to you as to everyone else here. What other reason did Borman have to LIE in writing his piece on Apollo 8 other than his need to cover up the FRAUD's gaffe with regard to the cislunar diarrhea/illness issue?

Supported by whom? You? I haven’t seen one person on this forum that supports any of your insane rubbish. Oh sure, there were a couple of resident “truthers” who stopped by to troll for a while, but once they seen what you were, they ran for the woods.

Why is it that you have not written anything about the final medical report concerning the “Borman” illness? Oh, and the fact that Borman wasn’t the only one on board who felt ill. Go ahead, I’m sure you can make up some kind of lie.

This one single LIFE magazine article is adequate to support every contention I have made, and support these contentions well enough to PROVE Apollo, all of Apollo, fraudulent fess. Go ahead Fess, give us all YOUR INTERPRETATION of the now famously infamous Frank Borman LIE here;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQC3-45M&feature=g-upl&context=G2951636AUAAAAAAADAA


NOW THAT!!!!! IS A CLAIM WELL SUPPORTED. Show us all it ain't so Fess, your colleagues, indeed the astronauts' lyin' heinies themselves, are depending on you.


What say you to Frank's claim about taking seconal a second time and making himself sick on purpose? Come on fess, let's see you prove me wrong, show my claim about lyin' heiny Frank to be wrong......

Now why would I waste my time doing anything like that? That subject has been thoroughly trashed on several occasions, by several members.

 

[fess]

Originally Posted by fess
Other than being pressurized, how is the atmosphere inside of an aircraft artificial? You really don’t have to prove to us that you are incompetent Patrick, we all knew it on page one.

Sure my accusations are well supported fess. <snip>

Oh, I forgot, nice dodge.