More meaningless walls of text. Gonna take them a few at a time, because obviously there's little worth responding to in any one of them.
“The Bartholome Sibrel as PERP!” discovery is by far the most significant news event of the millennium, quite literally so.
Don't hurt yourself too much patting yourself on the back there, Patrick.
not that any mainstreamers are going to pick it up...
The mainstream news reported when Sibrel was arrested and fined for criminal damage to property; what makes you think they won't report this? The mainstream news reported Watergate; what makes you think they won't report this? There you go: evidence that neither Sibrel nor big controversies are taboo in the mainstream media.
...those that modified/rigged the launch equipment for military use as opposed to the ostensible manned mission use.
Nope.
You were asked to describe exactly in what way "the military" modified the Apollo equipment. You didn't answer the question. You can provide absolutely no evidence that any Apollo equipment was modified.
You were asked to name the "perps" who did this. You cannot. All you have is a vague supposed category of people.
You were asked to tell us where and when these alleged modifications occurred. You cannot do that, because your claims don't derive from research or evidence.
In fact you have absolutely nothing here. You're telling us what you fervently
need to be the case in order for your belief to stand. You have no evidence of any kind that what you say is true. It's just what would
have to be true in order for your predetermined belief to hold. You have the cart before the horse.
You originally claimed that the LM would work unmodified in your scenario. But you very soon had your head handed to you by people who know how the LM was really designed and operated. So in desperation you claimed that the LM "must have" been modified to do what you needed it to do.
That's the epitome of Making It Up As You Go. This is why real historians rightly dismiss you without listening further. You have absolutely no leg to stand on and you know it. That's why you won't face real experts without reserving the option of running away and hiding.
John Aaron will be offered the first debate opportunity and will receive a communication from me shortly. The letter to Aaron will be open and will be shared here on this forum, as well as in video form on YouTube.
In other words, two places almost guaranteed to pass unnoticed by him or any of the others you've falsely accused.
...especially if one of these dudes has the nerve to face me.
You've amply proven that
you don't have the nerve to face
them. Nobody is buying your bluster.
Let’s hope Aaron goes for it.
Why hope? I'll use my influence to set up a personal meeting between you and him. You can have the best possible outcome: proof in the form of an admission from your opponents that you have met and presented your accusations to John Aaron in person.
I hope he is reading this.
I guarantee he isn't. I promise you that the people involved with Apollo do
not spend their retirement combing obscure web forums for unsupported accusations from anonymous blowhards.
If you really want to prove that you have faced and bested your victims, then you know what you have to do. But you've explicitly declined to do so. You've offered a feeble counter-proposal which boils down to nothing more than you continuing to hurl bluster and puerility from behind anonymous throwaway identities with absolutely zero accountability required on your part.
And not to take anything away from Jarrah, what I have seen of his work is solid, but his skills with film, with movie making are limited, very much so.
Translation: As well as being a math(s) professor, an expert physicist, a bike shop owner, a doctor, a Chinese radar programmer, I'm now going to claim to be an expert filmmaker.
And off to YouTube with you -- the last bastion of the truly nutty Apollo hoax claimants. There, the channel owner can restrict who can comment on videos, thus making it very easy for someone to simply erase things he doesn't agree with. Plus, the level of debate there is more in line with Patrick's playground potty mouth. He'll fit in very well there.
For my part, I don't watch YouTube hoax videos. They're the dregs of what is already a pretty intellect-devoid genre.
Sure, in this forum, where I work intentionally in hostile territory to first and foremost proclaim the TRUTH OF APOLLO FRAUD, I also work, as any historian would...
"I never claimed to be a historian."
Apollo history needs writers and film makers and platform debaters like myself.
It has had them for decades. None of them ever amounts to a thing because none of them is
ever able to face anyone with real expertise and real knowledge of the events. None of them survives in a venue where they can't control what the audience sees and hears. They have their grand hoo-rah, then fade away into the obscurity they so greatly fear.
I’ll be the first to admit that the dialog here on JREF’s Lost Bird Thread is not consistently the most mature , but that certainly goes for both sides.
No, just you. That's why you were banned from the other forums. You cannot maintain a civil debate.
At the time of their completion, say roughly 3 years from now, my written and film expose’ s will leave little doubt in the minds of the American Public as to what really went on.
Kaysing made a movie. It was quickly forgotten.
James Collier made a movie. It was quickly forgotten.
Sibrel made a movie. It was quickly forgotten.
David Percy made a 4-hour monumental movie. It was mercifully forgotten.
Jarrah White makes videos by the truckload. People largely ignore him outside his sycophantic YouTube fan club.
Next up: Patrick1000.
But 3 years is a ways off, much to do research wise, music writing, hopefully debating, were some fraud principals game enough to debate, and so forth.
No, just go away for 3 years.
No "fraud principal" is going to waste time debating an evasive, potty-mouthed anonymous liar. Prove you're willing to stand behind your claims, then ask someone to take them seriously.
Until then, I’ll work here to inform and confront/face any detractors, any opponents/Apollo apologists.
You don't inform. You make colossal errors, then try to steal other people's corrections and pretend you thought of them.
You don't confront. You flee. You hide behind false identities and sock puppets and change the subject as soon as it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. You lie habitually about almost everything.
You aren't remotely consistent. You backpedal, bob, and weave, and try to split hairs to make it seem like you were somehow right all along.
Everything you do has "fraud" written all over it, Patrick.
Consider this; the film...
Sorry, I don't do YouTube. If you want to go join the rest of the potty-mouthed blowhards at YouTube, be my guest. I won't miss you.
Now imagine if David Letterman and Jay Leno announced that the PUNCH was fake, which it was...
Actually Jon Stewart made exactly that point when Sibrel was on his show. He accused Sibrel of faking the footage. What about it Patrick? You aren't the first on this one either.
My own attorneys are looking into this now.
You're lying.
I may sue Adlrin AND Sibrel for wasting tax payer money on this staged nonsense...
Nope. That's how we know you're lying. Your attorneys would have been the first to tell you that you don't have the standing to sue, and that there is no such class as "taxpayer" that is recognized by any court as giving standing to sue for alleged misuse of tax funds.
This is ridiculous and these BOZOs need to be embarrassed big time over it.
Why do you constantly refuse the invitation to do so? Why do you constantly talk big, but provide absolutely no evidence that you have done anything except bluster away from behind your numerous sock puppets and fake identities?
As for getting to the Teflon/Aluminum/Apollo 13 business, well that will be soon enough, and is a high priority.
Obviously not. It's been more than a month and you've gone off on half a dozen different tangents in the meantime. You're hoping we'll forget all about it, but of course we haven't.
You made the assertion that it was a question best gotten to the bottom of through computation and technical analysis.
You promised to provide such computation and analysis. Now you're trying to back out of that, trying to say that it was an onerous burden imposed on you by your malicious critics.
No, Patrick. You failed again. There is a whole conference room of NASA engineers waiting for you to confront them on this point, a mere 20-minute drive from your house. All you have to do is reach out accept the invitation. All you have to do is provide me with your real contact information so that I can set up the invitation.
But no, you have fled from that opportunity, as you have from
every single real-world test of your professed skill and knowledge. Why? Because frauds will do anything rather than have their cover blow.
I once thought these guys would never debate me. Now I believe there is a small chance.
There is a huge chance if you accept my invitation.
But now, you explicitly refuse it. You simply substitute More Of The Same, with the feeble claim that once you post your "epic" letter and evidence -- tucked away neatly where no one will ever see it unless explicitly directed to it -- the ball will somehow be in their court. And then you can interpret the silence deriving from their blissful unawareness of your existence as some sort of proof that they are quaking in their shoes at the stunning thoroughness of your research.
How dumb do you think we are?
Rather than hiding, he, Aaron, Kranz, Shyster/Schiesser, perhaps even an astronaut or two, may want to come out from hiding and mix it up with me in some kind of forum.
I have offered you the forum of a room with you and your "perps" face to face. You refused it. You simply want to continue hurling invective from behind anonymous identities in the feeble hope that it will someday matter.
So my plans in terms of directly challenging these guys...
...are irrelevant because you propose no "direct" debate. You propose only to keep writing your childish, uninformed nonsense with absolutely no risk or responsibility. I'm offering you the opportunity to put your money where your mouth is and prove that your "incontrovertible" claims can stand up in the real world. You explicitly refuse and say, "No, thank you, I'll stay here in my comfort zone."
Bah, humbug.
For example, consider the little Borman film...
Nope. If you're going over to YouTube to continue your "debate" (i.e., further retreat into conflict-free delusion), then I say don't let the door hit you. Go ahead, flee from JREF. No one will miss you.
Roughly a year from now, I'll have enough material, rock solid proof of Apollo Fraud...
That's what you said eight months ago. And you're still wallowing in the same nonsense you did back then.
I think I'll have my message/letter/communication out to Aaron by week's end. As mentioned, that communication shall be open.
No. That's not a direct challenge. Posting in some forum or in one-of-a-billion YouTube channels is most certainly
not contacting people "directly."
I'm offering you the opportunity to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you have contacted these people and confronted them with your claims. You're offering simply more of the same passive-aggressive anonymous garbage you've relied on for the past eight months.
Sorry, you don't impress me.
...everyone knows Aaron is a lyin' PERP.
Actually the only one we know for sure is lying here is you. We've posted ample evidence of your lies, and you won't address it.
This is why no one believes you when you say you have contacted and will contact the people you accuse. We think you're lying. So when you're willing to provide proof that you have contacted these people, then someone might actually take you off their "ignore" list.
How does deploying yet another anonymous throwaway identity make you any more credible or worth paying attention to?
You keep trying to say that the ball is in everyone else's court. It isn't. You have the burden to prove that you have made your victims aware of your threats and accusations.
My interpretation of that video cannot possibly be wrong...
You were blatantly wrong with Karel's video, even when he took great pains to tell you at the end he was only kidding. Karel made a video he expect you to see was fraudulent, within the first 15 minutes. You failed. You are
demonstrably inept when it comes to film.
Can you think of a better reason?
Begging the question -- argument rejected.
This discovery of mine is indeed the most important mainstream news find of the millennium, as already mentioned.
Translation: Please, oh, please someone please pay attention to me!
