The LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK

[Walter Ego]

Google "Education Forum Pravda H.L. Hunt" for the web link

After 4 years of research into the JFK assassination, I agree with Pravda. Here is Pravda in 2007:

"Many experts on America believe that the conspiracy in Dallas was organized by a group of billionaires from Texas with Harold Hunt at head. The man was considered the world’s richest man of that time. The Texas businessman took an active part in the political life of America; he nominated Texas senator Lyndon Johnson for presidential election in 1960. The first attempt to promote Johnson was a failure, but Hunt finished the game in Dallas as a result of which Kennedy was killed and his candidate came to the White House."

In 1963-64, the controlled Soviet press was saying "Texas oil barons played a fatal role" in the JFK assassination.

So basically you believe the Soviet propaganda about the JFK assassination. You are not the first conspiracy theorist to do so. Russian propaganda put out in the wake of the assassination is still circulating on the internet (usually unsourced but accepted as gospel by the conspiracy hucksters). Khrushchev must be smiling up from his grave.

 

[Robert Morrow]

Walter, why should I not believe Soviet propaganda on the JFK assassination especially when it is consistent with their internal beliefs as articulated by the KGB to their assets to the KGB Residency in NYC (that FBI counterintelligence intercepted)?

And especially when their is a mountain of evidence unearthed by American researchers - not on the government payroll - that support's the Russian view.

And *who* do you think is credible on this topic? Surely not CIA Operation Mockingbird assets in the American media!

1) Google "The CIA and the Media" by Carl Bernstein
2) Google "CIA Instruction to Media Assets 4/1/67"
3) Google "Limit CIA Role to Intelligence" Harry Truman on 12/22/63
4) Google "Dwight Eisenhower Farewell Address" on 1/17/61
5) Google "Jerry Policoff NY Times." Read everything Jerry Policoff ever wrote about the CIA media cover up of the JFK assassination.

 

[EventHorizon]

Gotta love the Investi-Googlers.

 

[Robert Morrow]

Timhau,

I have 300+ books on the JFK assassination. I have read 30 of the cream of the cream JFK books and read relevant passages or skimmed the rest. I have found the internet to be an absolutely invaluable source for learning on the JFK assassination. I have done much reading on the internet about the JFK assassination. With every medium, you have to read and watch critically. Oftentimes the National Enquirer or even a porn magazine is a more credible source of information on the JFK assassination than the NYT, Wash Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX. But if you read selectively and with a critical mind you can even learn from those sources as well.

Of course I do watch YouTube videos as well.

 

[timhau]

Oftentimes the National Enquirer or even a porn magazine is a more credible source of information on the JFK assassination than the NYT, Wash Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX.

I buy porn mags only for the investigative journalism too.

 

[BravesFan]

Timhau,

I have 300+ books on the JFK assassination. I have read 30 of the cream of the cream JFK books and read relevant passages or skimmed the rest. I have found the internet to be an absolutely invaluable source for learning on the JFK assassination. I have done much reading on the internet about the JFK assassination. With every medium, you have to read and watch critically. Oftentimes the National Enquirer or even a porn magazine is a more credible source of information on the JFK assassination than the NYT, Wash Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX. But if you read selectively and with a critical mind you can even learn from those sources as well.

Of course I do watch YouTube videos as well.

Stundie worthy!! Congrats!

 

[Robert Morrow]

Here is a web link for photos of Ed Lansdale - folks can decide for themselves if it is him or not at TSBD. It is a data point. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...urce=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=MLVOT9CIPK_isQLExZH7Dw

And it certainly is a fact that 2 men of high positions: Col. Fletcher Prouty and Gen. Victor Krulak (who fired Lansdale one time) are of the opinion that the man in the photo at TSBD is Ed Lansdale. It is my *opinion* too that it is Lansdale - the rectangular head being one give away.

JFK researchers have determined by looking at the Lansdale papers that he was indeed in a Fort Worth hotel around the time of 11/22/63. David Atlee Phillips, big CIA guy, was from Fort Worth and his own family suspected he was involved in the JFK assassination.

 

[BStrong]

Here is a web link for photos of Ed Lansdale - folks can decide for themselves if it is him or not at TSBD. It is a data point. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...urce=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=MLVOT9CIPK_isQLExZH7Dw

And it certainly is a fact that 2 men of high positions: Col. Fletcher Prouty and Gen. Victor Krulak (who fired Lansdale one time) are of the opinion that the man in the photo at TSBD is Ed Lansdale. It is my *opinion* too that it is Lansdale - the rectangular head being one give away.

JFK researchers have determined by looking at the Lansdale papers that he was indeed in a Fort Worth hotel around the time of 11/22/63. David Atlee Phillips, big CIA guy, was from Fort Worth and his own family suspected he was involved in the JFK assassination.

I wouldn't trust Prouty to feed my dog, and there are a hell of a lot of folks out there with rectangular heads.

Johnny and Edgar Winter are from Texas too - where were they in '63?

 

[EventHorizon]

An inability to learn after reading 300+ books is not really something I'd be shouting out for the whole world to hear, but that might be just me.

 

[Garrison]

After 50 years of 'investigating' the Kennedy CT's still can't agree on a theory of the crime. and as for a trigger man, how many dozens of them have been proposed? Worse since just about everybody who was ever allegedly involved is dead all they can do is rake over the same old evidence for the umpteenth time.

 

[Robert Morrow]

I think that what Lyndon Johnson told Madeleine Brown on the night of 12/31/63 is the most important piece of evidence to understanding the JFK assassination.

Madeleine Duncan Brown was the most beloved mistress of Lyndon Johnson for 21 years from 1948 until 1969. Madeleine is one of the truth tellers and keys to understanding the ugly reality of the JFK assassination. She had a son Steven Mark with Lyndon in 1950. Madeleine lived from 1925 to 2002 and was madly in love with Lyndon Johnson when she wrote the book Texas in the Morning 24 years after the death of LBJ. She makes some BLOCKBUSTER revelations in this book, such as:

In the night of 12/31/63, just 6 weeks after the JFK assassination, Madeleine asked Lyndon Johnson:

"Lyndon, you know that a lot of people believe you had something to do with President Kennedy's assassination."
He shot up out of bed and began pacing and waving his arms screaming like a madman. I was scared!
"That's bull___, Madeleine Brown!" he yelled. "Don't tell me you believe that ____!"
"Of course not." I answered meekly, trying to cool his temper.
"It was Texas oil and those %$%& renegade intelligence bastards in Washington." [said Lyndon Johnson, the new president; Texas in the Morning, p. 189]

[LBJ told this to Madeleine on 1/1/64 in the locally famous Driskill Hotel, Austin, TX in room #254. They spent New Year's Eve `64 together here (12/31/63). Room #254 was the room that LBJ used to have rendezvous’ with his girlfriends - today it is known as the LBJ Room, and rents for $600-1,000/night as a Presidential suite at the Driskill; located on the Mezzanine Level.]

 

[SpitfireIX]

I think that what Lyndon Johnson told Madeleine Brown on the night of 12/31/63 is the most important piece of evidence to understanding the JFK assassination.

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What part of "There is no evidence that Brown had an affair with LBJ, or that he ever told her any of the things she claimed, other than her own word" did you not understand?

 

[azzthom]

I think that what Lyndon Johnson told Madeleine Brown on the night of 12/31/63 is the most important piece of evidence to understanding the JFK assassination.

Madeleine Duncan Brown was the most beloved mistress of Lyndon Johnson for 21 years from 1948 until 1969. Madeleine is one of the truth tellers and keys to understanding the ugly reality of the JFK assassination. She had a son Steven Mark with Lyndon in 1950. Madeleine lived from 1925 to 2002 and was madly in love with Lyndon Johnson when she wrote the book Texas in the Morning 24 years after the death of LBJ. She makes some BLOCKBUSTER revelations in this book, such as:

In the night of 12/31/63, just 6 weeks after the JFK assassination, Madeleine asked Lyndon Johnson:

"Lyndon, you know that a lot of people believe you had something to do with President Kennedy's assassination."
He shot up out of bed and began pacing and waving his arms screaming like a madman. I was scared!
"That's bull___, Madeleine Brown!" he yelled. "Don't tell me you believe that ____!"
"Of course not." I answered meekly, trying to cool his temper.
"It was Texas oil and those %$%& renegade intelligence bastards in Washington." [said Lyndon Johnson, the new president; Texas in the Morning, p. 189]

[LBJ told this to Madeleine on 1/1/64 in the locally famous Driskill Hotel, Austin, TX in room #254. They spent New Year's Eve `64 together here (12/31/63). Room #254 was the room that LBJ used to have rendezvous’ with his girlfriends - today it is known as the LBJ Room, and rents for $600-1,000/night as a Presidential suite at the Driskill; located on the Mezzanine Level.]

...and here's an analysis of her claims.
http://dperry1943.com/browns.html

 

[Robert Morrow]

What part of "There is no evidence that Brown had an affair with LBJ, or that he ever told her any of the things she claimed, other than her own word" did you not understand?

Spitfire, Madeleine Brown has been vetted by a whole generation of JFK researchers. Dozens if not hundreds of them met her, talked with her. Some even interviewed her 20 or 30 or 40 times. She most certainly was a key mistress of Lyndon Johnson. Jim Marrs investigated her with the Texas press corps and found out, yes, Madeleine was a well known mistress of LBJ.

I also know 2 of Madeleine's friends Betty Windsor and Connie Kritzberg - they knew Madeleine Brown for perhaps 20 years and are very familiar with her story and high credibility.

Researcher Casey Quindlan interviewed her at least 20 times. Jim Fetzer at least 30 times. Her deep insider knowledge of Lyndon Johnson and his inner circle vouched for her bona fides.

Another person who knew her well was James Tague, the man who was almost hit by bullet at TSBD. She became a good friend of his and they often traded stories and information.

That does mean I believe *everything* that Madeleine ever said, but I think her essential story is golden and highly credible.

I also took a Dallas tour last fall 2011 at JFK Lancer and the tour guide said he knew Madeleine's son Stephen Mark (1950-1990) and his words to me were that you would not even need a DNA test to know that Stephen was LBJ's son - they were practically clones.

And, finally, the very fact that Dave Perry would even seriously question Madeleine's credentials as a longtime and key LBJ mistress is a sign that Dave Perry is not really looking for the truth, but rather to act as a disinformationist on the JFK assassination.

Also, there is another longtime JFK researcher Ed Tatro who knew Madeleine Brown extremely well. In fact, he told me he re-united Madeleine with the manager of Clint Murchison's Del Charro hotel and they hugged each other like long lost friends and smiled.

Madeleinne used to vacation with LBJ at the Del Charro and that just confirmed it.

 

[calebprime]

Madeleine Brown was convicted of forgery and sentenced to 10 years probation. That doesn't do much to support her credibility.

What else?

 

[Walter Ego]

Walter, why should I not believe Soviet propaganda on the JFK assassination especially when it is consistent with their internal beliefs as articulated by the KGB to their assets to the KGB Residency in NYC (that FBI counterintelligence intercepted)?

Your willingness to be a useful idiot for long discredited communist propaganda is not surprising. In fact, there is a long history of this sort of thing in the JFK assassination "research community."

KGB records released in 1999 reveal that the Soviets passed money to Mark Lane in the 1960s to aid in the dissemination of his "discoveries" about the assassination and that the first JKF assassination conspiracy book published in U.S. (written by German communist Joachim Joesten) was issued by a New York publisher covertly financed by Moscow. (Read about the Soviets dezinformatsiya campaign to link Clay Shaw to the CIA here and here.)

Interestingly, though, the one thing the Soviets did not believe is that the poorly educated and emotionally unstable Oswald could be a U.S. government agent of any kind. Having had a good look at him, up close and in person, the KBG (who knew a thing or two about the spy game), wouldn't touch Oswald with a ten-foot pole, not even to try to "turn" him as a double agent.

 

[dafydd]

Calebprime, I posted my entire essay, but then the moderator truncated it and posted my blog link on the JFK assassation. If you would like to read it, go to "lyndonjohnsonmurderedjfk (dot) blogspot (dot) com. Then look on the right hand side and scroll down to the "LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK." This is the latest version of my overview of the JFK assassination. I am constantly adding to/tweaking this essay and it has appeared in various forms over the internet. This is my most updated version.

There is much better fiction available.

 

[dafydd]

Timhau,

I have 300+ books on the JFK assassination. I have read 30 of the cream of the cream JFK books and read relevant passages or skimmed the rest. I have found the internet to be an absolutely invaluable source for learning on the JFK assassination. I have done much reading on the internet about the JFK assassination. With every medium, you have to read and watch critically. Oftentimes the National Enquirer or even a porn magazine is a more credible source of information on the JFK assassination than the NYT, Wash Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX. But if you read selectively and with a critical mind you can even learn from those sources as well.

Of course I do watch YouTube videos as well.

One handed studying. That's a new one on me.

 

[TheRedWorm]

I'll post this again, as it seems appropriate:

Shot 1: LHO lines up the scope for a head shot on JFK, misses, and can't see the splash.
Shot 2: LHO aims center of mass to try to determine round placement.
Shot 3: LHO sees that rounds are impacting most likely centerline but high (shot mid body, and roughly hit throat based on JFK's reaction). Seeing this, he aims below the head to try and hit the same, fires, and cycles the bolt because he couldn't see the obviously mortal wound. LHO then sees said wound and leaves.

I think that this is eminently plausible. Robert, can you do the same thing for the supposed conspiracy shots?

 

[theprestige]

why should I not believe Soviet propaganda

I can think of at least two reasons: One, it's propaganda. Two, it's Soviet propaganda.

I mean, I can see believing, or at least going along with British propaganda during World War 2, but what you're talking about here is taking credulousness to a whole other level.