Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

[arayder]

I have just watched the report in full and it was far better than I had anticipated.
No point wasting time on Menards idiocy, just concentrate on the issues that FMOTL may bring.

I wonder what Menard really thinks now, surely he cant see this as a positive outcome, I bet he's shaking in his shoes, every time he sees a cop now his ring will slacken.

Enjoy your beer and spliffs Rob, but dont forget to dust off that letter that says you are a freeman and exempt from statutes, you are going to need it now.

I recall Bobby’s boastful posts when he first found out he was going to be on TV.

What our subject didn’t seem to realize then was that unlike his Elizabeth Anne and world freeman societies, his “semenards” and YouTubes he didn’t control the medium employed by the CBC .

For a guy claiming a 147 I.Q. that’s pretty ding dang stupid.

He must have had some tip from a minion that he was running into a buzz saw because he laughingly decided to tape the CBC as they taped him.

 

[solzhenitsyn]

... It's not our fault that most of us are more well educated and more competent than 99% of Crown Attorney's as well as most Judges.

...

Dean C. Clifford

Chuckle.

 

[Bishop]

Dean better make this threat stick, or somebody’s gonna' out him for the ineffective twerp he is.

These freeman boys like to brag and they like to threaten but by the time this boy figures out that it’s gonna’ take more than a camera and a white board to back up the CBC it will be too late.

I got two words for you, Deano. . “anger management”.

Unfortunately, if our experience with Menard has shown us anything, it's that the victims of these con artists never seem to notice or care when their gurus fail to follow through on their legal threats.

 

[Horatius]

I recall Bobby’s boastful posts when he first found out he was going to be on TV.

What our subject didn’t seem to realize then was that unlike his Elizabeth Anne and world freeman societies, his “semenards” and YouTubes he didn’t control the medium employed by the CBC .

For a guy claiming a 147 I.Q. that’s pretty ding dang stupid.

He must have had some tip from a minion that he was running into a buzz saw because he laughingly decided to tape the CBC as they taped him.

Yes, let's all recall what he was saying at the time:

So you know when I am not logged in I can read your posts, when I am I can't. Since I did read this one I will reply.

Dead eh?

Here is the body of an email I recently received:
Hi Rob,


I hope you are well.

Myself and my colleague, Adrienne Arsenault, are trying to learn as much as we can about the Freeman on the Land movement. We hear that it's really growing, especially in Ontario, and we'd like to do a story about its growth.

I see from your website and YouTube channel that you are traveling around the country giving talks. It seems like the Freeman ideas have a lot of appeal, especially with the huge economic problems the world is facing right now. We'd really like to hear more and we're hoping that you'll teach us.

Can we chat? Are you near Toronto this week or next week? That's where our office is.

Thanks so much, Robert.

Talk soon,
Lysanne

Lysanne Louter
Producer, The National
CBC TV


Yea sure sounds dead to me. That is why I will be on The National very shortly.

The fact is this is exploding, and just cause you do not see it happening on a handful of forums does not mean people are not talking about it in the cafe's, schools and offices.

Every two months or so you trot out your tired "It's dead in the water" routine, only to be proven wrong once again....

She unlike the folks here is open to logic and reason. And I have contact information from those who have had success. Plus she will be shown a Birth Certificate where it says 'Revenue Receipt" and "Treasury Use Only".

See her goal, unlike the people here is to understand the perspective, not attack it out of fear.

Sure. And then I will show her a Birth Certificate with the words REVENUE RECEIPT - TREASURY USE ONLY on it, and she can decide for herself if her eyes are lying to her, or if someone in the government lied.

Do you think it will be a tough sell, to get her to realize that someone in the government either lied or is misinformed and that her own eyes are telling her the truth?? Bearing in mind she is a reporter, is used to the government trying to lie, and has learned to trust her own eyes?

I don't see why she would not be able to. As for the BC thing, all she has to do is ask the folks in her office to look at theirs. Or even her own.... sorry did not mean to ignore your post.

And let's not forget what one rather intelligent poster had to say about it all:

CBC's The National is one of the biggest news shows we have in Canada. The notion that they'll do a puff piece on Menard is just as laughable as all his other notions.


http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/

If there's any truth to his claims about this interview, he's not going to come off looking well.

 

[SpitfireIX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIoQDmHAgc8

Response by: Max Radico
Letter Below by: Awesomeness!

Hello Adrienne Arsenault, Dean Clifford here. I have 8 words for you, 'Willful promotion of hatred against an identifiable group." Looks like I will be gathering my evidence for a private prosecution tomorrow. Thank you for publicly identifying anyone who wants to actually be shown legitimate law, as a "freeman" that CBC just willfully promoted hatred against. I notice that you didn't say "freemen" were wrong....just that we "may be dangerous", and "LOOKOUT CANADA, they're coming!!!" It's not our fault that most of us are more well educated and more competent than 99% of Crown Attorney's as well as most Judges.

Invite me on next time, because I am definitely going to invite you to every hearing I have planned on this matter. Also, you have inspired me to film my own "Hit Piece" about fear mongering and the complete lack of credibility and fair reporting in the media today.

As for "Dangerous", I'm only dangerous legally speaking. If you took five minutes to do any research aside from interviewing fat cops who lost a son in the USA and are now Malice driven to hate anyone who values freedom, you would see that in every video I have ever been in the the words that are the motto of free people are repeated are "DO NO HARM".

On the bright side, this will boost interest in this subject to no end. I should almost thank you for such biased garbage, like you people like to say in your make-believe world.. "There is no such thing as bad press".

Have yourself a good week.

Dean C. Clifford

So if CBC shows a program that depicts child molestation in a negative light, pedophiles could sue them?

 

[Bishop]

You know what's funny, though? See, if I were Menard, I would reply to the posts where he bragged about getting the interview by saying that I misjudged Arsenault, or that she was dishonest about the purpose of the meeting, or something like that. I'd basically just admit the mistake and shrug it off. But Menard, so desperate to not lose face on the Internet by admitting any error at all, no matter how minor, will probably just do what he did recently on Icke's in the case of the supposed lawyer's email - lie about it.

"It was all a part of Rob's cunning plan, don't you see? Now I have [insert irrelevant legal term here], just as I anticipated! You thought that you were playing me, but I was playing you all along! Victory is mine!"

Or maybe he won't, now that I've preempted him.

 

[tsig]

Unfortunately, if our experience with Menard has shown us anything, it's that the victims of these con artists never seem to notice or care when their gurus fail to follow through on their legal threats.

The beards on New York farmers' jaws
Grew too heavy for small laws
A Moses or an Abraham
Felt that nations in him swam. (Coffin 3)

 

[BaaBaa]

Are Canadian hate crime rules common law?

 

[jargon buster]

As for "Dangerous", I'm only dangerous legally speaking. If you took five minutes to do any research aside from interviewing fat cops who lost a son in the USA and are now Malice driven to hate anyone who values freedom, you would see that in every video I have ever been in the the words that are the motto of free people are repeated are "DO NO HARM".

Theres another wonderful example of the character of the cause no harm aproach of the freemen.
Lets hope Dean of the family Clifford doesnt bump into any fat cops with malice towards idiots who publicly ridicule cops who have lost a son dealing with idiots who believe they are above the law.

 

[rambaldi]

See, if I were Menard, .... I'd basically just admit the mistake and shrug it off.

Then again, if we were conman like Menard (but unlike him smart), we would not make continually fools of ourselves on this board, but stick to places where we can spout our lies without challenge.

 

[jargon buster]

but stick to places where we can spout our lies without challenge.

Menard actually has his own site (WFS) where he could do this, however he chooses not to as incredibly the few who post on there dont even believe his nonsense.
He had two Mods on there (Kymatica and Terry) who were actually his victims and mod status was their consolation prize when it all went wrong.
Even they seldom post now.

No, Rob likes posting here because it feeds his ego, its better for a narcisist to be ridiculed than ignored completly.

 

[fitzgibbon]

He had two Mods on there (Kymatica and Terry) who were actually his victims and mod status was their consolation prize when it all went wrong.

Hmmm. I believe the word for doing something like that is contraindicated. I mean that seems straight out of "The Dark Knight" with the Joker giving Harvey Dent the loaded pistol and putting it to his forehead; not well thought-out in the first place.

That they took it as their consolation prize?
The mind truly boggles.

Fitz

 

[Mojo]

Chuckle.

The Dunning-Kruger effect strikes again!

 

[Hektor]

That they took it as their consolation prize?
The mind truly boggles.

Well you see, they put the blame squarely where it belongs: On the cops and the courts who dared to not subscribe to the magic words. That's personal responsibility. If they had held Rob and the rest of the Freeman to account for telling them things that turned out not to be true, they would have not been accepting the consequences of their actions and being an adult. Instead they did their due diligence in believing Rob over reality.

 

[fitzgibbon]

Well you see, they put the blame squarely where it belongs: On the cops and the courts who dared to not subscribe to the magic words. That's personal responsibility. If they had held Rob and the rest of the Freeman to account for telling them things that turned out not to be true, they would have not been accepting the consequences of their actions and being an adult. Instead they did their due diligence in believing Rob over reality.

Hooboy!

While I have no doubt their 'thought' processes proceeded somewhat along those lines, it makes about as much sense as anything else I've seen concerning FMOTL.

Fitz

 

[BritPunk]

Let's just say that didn't go so well for Menard.

I'm happy to say that Adrienne used a great deal of the material I sent her, including the document that she used to confront Menard.

Yes, I had extensive communication with her producer about all of this, and I am bragging about it.

Well done, D'rok, you must have been in a warp spasm that day!

 

[deeper]

Thank you! And none of you here seem to question the power of editing eh?

Did they edit out the bit where you presented your evidence, could you show us that? Considering that you knew you were going on to be on TV, I would have imagined you would have made the effort to dig out that letter which recognizes your status as a FMOTL. If you were too lazy to get it/ didn't think it was relevent, I bet your kicking yourself now.

Know what I did not see? Any lawyer stating on the record that our perspective was wrong. No elected officials saying THEY have the right to govern without individual consent. The only cop who had the balls to speak, hid their face.

Yes, I agree that it would have been the icing on the cake if they had addressed your claims in a little more detail but I can understand why they didn't. On the otherhand, if she had attempted to engage you in a debate, if this thread is anything to go by the programme would still be airing now and may have led to the show being given it's own channel. The fact that he was an undercover cop has already been noted, didn't you realise that?

From Rob's point of view, that was a complete PR disaster, so bad that I can't see how things could be the same again.

There is a way out though Rob, to right the injustice and redeem yourself, it's very easy and won't take you long,

PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE.

 

[FreemanMenard]

Did they edit out the bit where you presented your evidence, could you show us that? Considering that you knew you were going on to be on TV, I would have imagined you would have made the effort to dig out that letter which recognizes your status as a FMOTL. If you were too lazy to get it/ didn't think it was relevent, I bet your kicking yourself now.



Yes, I agree that it would have been the icing on the cake if they had addressed your claims in a little more detail but I can understand why they didn't. On the otherhand, if she had attempted to engage you in a debate, if this thread is anything to go by the programme would still be airing now and may have led to the show being given it's own channel. The fact that he was an undercover cop has already been noted, didn't you realise that?

From Rob's point of view, that was a complete PR disaster, so bad that I can't see how things could be the same again.

There is a way out though Rob, to right the injustice and redeem yourself, it's very easy and won't take you long,

PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE.

You are clearly not qualified to speak about my point of view.
Disaster?

Are we even looking at the same playbook and reality?

Their first round served to illuminate their fears, highlight their weaknesses, and garnered SO much attention. They MUST have realized the effect such a blatant hit piece would have. Even folks who previously rejected FMOTL question why it was so biased.

Those who have never heard of Freeman now have, and some who have trusted CBC their whole lives question why this one story was presented with such obvious (and for the CBC unexpected) bias.

What you saw was the first swing in the first round. And you claim they are now victorious?

Have any of you ever even been in an actual fight?

 

[Hans]

Why yes I have Rob and one of the first rules is to bring a gun with ammunition. You on the other hand have shown up a two-day old eclair.

You have no ammunition (no evidence)

Where's your court case showing your ideas work Rob?

 

[FreemanMenard]

Why yes I have Rob and one of the first rules is to bring a gun with ammunition. You on the other hand have shown up a two-day old eclair.

You have no ammunition (no evidence)

Where's your court case showing your ideas work Rob?

So only a court case is accepted as evidence, yet if the purpose is to avoid court, there will be no case, and therefore no evidence. But hey keep trying to claim that only a court case is applicable.

You do not even know what the goal is!