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Saudi Arabia May Be Tied to 9/11, 2 Ex-Senators Say

LogicFail said:
Now , not to sound like a CT wingnut, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Saudi Arabian money (from private donors) wasn't involved in 75% of all middle east terror attacks of the last 50 years... Of course there are wealthy Oil Shieks giving money to terror causes.

None of these statements mean 9/11 was an inside job, in fact, if true, it would be a coffin nail for the Truthers.
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i wouldnt be surprised if there were members of the saudi government involved in funding terrorism, but that doesnt make it an official state policy (any more than the opinions of 2 ex-senators make up US state policy)
 
Oz1976 said:
What does this have to do with 9/11 Truth? It doesn't support thier idiocy one bit and niether Senator is a twoofer.

I'm kind of dismayed at some of the knee jerk responses in this thread though, towards these two individuals who clearly do not share the ideas of the loons in the TM.
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Indeed. It's a shame that some people are so fast to go into their anti-twoofer script without checking to see whether the script is relevant in this case.

It's been alleged that Abu Zubaydah fingered three Saudi princes as being involved with Al Qaeda (Prince Fauhd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, Prince Ahmad bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz and Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki bin Abdullah), and all three died under dodgy circumstances not long afterwards. Then again it later came out that Abu Zubaydah was a very, very small fish in Al Qaeda and it's entirely possible that his accusations about those three were the same kind of nonsense elicited by torture as his accusations against Jose Padilla. So even if those three princes were murdered based on what Zubaydah said while being tortured that isn't terribly strong evidence those three actually had anything to do with 9/11.

It would be interesting to get to the bottom of the whole matter and find out what hard evidence there actually was for a Saudi royal link to 9/11, and how hard the rubber hose was being plied behind the scenes to find someone who would say there was such a link.

Whether they were killed for being complicit in 9/11 or whether they were just a few more innocent victims of the Bush regime's taste for torture and murder, it's interesting either way.
 
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Kevin_Lowe said:
It's been alleged that Abu Zubaydah fingered three Saudi princes as being involved with Al Qaeda (Prince Fauhd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, Prince Ahmad bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz and Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki bin Abdullah), and all three died under dodgy circumstances not long afterwards. Then again it later came out that Abu Zubaydah was a very, very small fish in Al Qaeda and it's entirely possible that his accusations about those three were the same kind of nonsense elicited by torture as his accusations against Jose Padilla. So even if those three princes were murdered based on what Zubaydah said while being tortured that isn't terribly strong evidence those three actually had anything to do with 9/11.
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And even if they did, it's also important to note that there are something like seven thousand "princes" in the Saudi aristocracy:

Q: Is the dynasty under threat?

Much is written in the West about splits within the ruling family, as well as challenges from reformers, fundamentalists and even the United States.

But talk of the collapse of the House of Saud seems premature. It is after all a huge structure, with an estimated 7,000 princes.
While differences exist over relations with the West, or political and economic liberalisation, the family is united in its desire to keep control.

And it would be wrong to overlook the fact that the family has many loyal supporters within the kingdom.​

If just three Saudi princes were involved with Al-Qeada, that would all but exonerate the Saudi regime.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
And even if they did, it's also important to note that there are something like seven thousand "princes" in the Saudi aristocracy:

Q: Is the dynasty under threat?

Much is written in the West about splits within the ruling family, as well as challenges from reformers, fundamentalists and even the United States.

But talk of the collapse of the House of Saud seems premature. It is after all a huge structure, with an estimated 7,000 princes.
While differences exist over relations with the West, or political and economic liberalisation, the family is united in its desire to keep control.

And it would be wrong to overlook the fact that the family has many loyal supporters within the kingdom.​

If just three Saudi princes were involved with Al-Qeada, that would all but exonerate the Saudi regime.
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If you proved it was only those three, sure.

Otherwise all you'd have proved is that at least three were involved.

Then again given the source of the claim and the situation, I don't put much faith in it. Abu Zubaydah would have confessed to kidnapping the Lindbergh baby and murdering Abraham Lincoln if that's what they'd wanted him to say.
 
Wait, I thought we weren't supposed to trust what politicians say, per the 9/11 Truth Movement?
 
Senators Bob Graham and Bob Kerrey File Affirmations in Support of 9/11 Litigation Against the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
By Cozen O'Connor, Mar 1, 2012; Modified: 1:00pm on Mar 1, 2012

PHILADELPHIA, March 1, 2012 — /PRNewswire/ -- Cozen O'Connor announced today that former Senators Bob Graham and Bob Kerrey, leaders of national inquiries into the September 11th attacks, provided affidavits in support of a pending application filed by Cozen O'Connor on behalf of victims of the September 11th Attacks and their families, to reinstate the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and a Saudi government charity as defendants in the In Re Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001 litigation.

In the affidavits, which were filed of record by Cozen O'Connor attorneys on Friday, February 24, 2012, both Senators express their view that further inquiry is warranted into the evidence of possible Saudi culpability for the 9/11 attacks. The United States District Court for the Southern District of New York will hear argument on March 15 concerning the 9/11 plaintiffs' bid to draw Saudi Arabia back into the litigation.

Read more here:
http://www.bradenton.com/2012/03/01/3911733/senators-bob-graham-and-bob-kerrey.html


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A Statement by the 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism
By 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism
Posted: 10:50am on Mar 1, 2012; Modified: 10:55am on Mar 1, 2012

MT. PLEASANT, S.C., March 1, 2012 — FRMR SENATORS BOB GRAHAM AND BOB KERREY ENTER DECLARATIONS IN FEDERAL COURT SUPPORTING FURTHER INVESTIGATION INTO POSSIBLE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN SAUDI ARABIA, THE SAUDI HIGH COMMISSION AND THE 9/11 TERRORIST ATTACKS

MT. PLEASANT, S.C., March 1, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism today applauded former Senators Bob Graham (FL) and Bob Kerrey (NE), who provided declarations on the families' behalf that were filed in Federal Court for the Southern District of New York strongly disagreeing with papers filed by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Saudi High Commission claiming that they had been "exonerated" of any connection to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The Senators, who both held leadership roles in the investigations by the U.S. government into the 9/11 attacks, urged the Court to reinstate the Kingdom and the Saudi High Commission into federal litigation (In re Terrorist Attacks) and encouraged the Court to allow a thorough investigation of any connection between the two and al Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks.

"The families and survivors of the atrocities of 9/11 have not given up hope for justice. We are determined to expose the truth," said Beverly Burnett of Bloomington, Minn., mother of Thomas E. Burnett, Jr., one of the heroes of United Flight 93. "The financiers and enablers of those who murdered our loved ones are still alive, well and capable of supporting terrorism. The trail back to them still points to Saudi Arabia."

Read more here:
http://www.bradenton.com/2012/03/01/3911362/a-statement-by-the-911-families.html




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Personally I have no problem with looking into this connection (although I find it hard to believe it's not already happening). It's makes more sense than the US doing it to ourself or any of the "demolition" crap.

I do however get suspicious whenever former politicians get involved with anything that involves money. Maybe that's just my distrust of most of them talking.
 
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Those involved were executed by the Saudi Government, heads rolled. When I was in Saudi Arabia, a Saudi shot at one of our buses - executed the next day. Do you really want to know what the Saudis do? This is top secret information, just like the news article implies. lol

Graham has a book, Kerrey is running for office. Real support would be getting things done, not making headlines. This thread is pure politics, or an attempt to save the inside job failure of falling for Balsamo's dirt dumb claims. How is this crap related to 9/11 Conspiracy Theories? At best this relates to the outside job, 19 terrorists did 911. This is 911 truth's nightmare.

Someone is falling for American News junk, regurgitating old junk.

The OP makes no comment, no conclusion. Conclusion, Kerrey is running for the Senate, and Graham is selling a book; a news paper is running out things to print. Someone is gullible.

If any Saudis were found to know the plot, the Saudi government would execute them the next day. This news junk does not say Saudis knew the plot except for 15. Except for the pilots, or sets of pilots out of 19, no one needed to know the plot. Giving money to a subset of 15 Saudis visiting the USA is against the law? How do you know when you rent a truck to McVeigh you are helping him? Where is the beef in this story?
 
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Saudi Arabia's biggest export is terrorism.

Not very good friends beachnut.
 
shure said:
Saudi Arabia's biggest export is terrorism.

Not very good friends beachnut.
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Follow the money...

the statements by Graham and Kerrey which are part of a multi-billion dollar lawsuit before the court.
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shure said:
Saudi Arabia's biggest export is terrorism. ...
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But according to your sources...

Saudi Arabia, now a key regional US ally in the fight against terrorism,
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You are pushing politics in the wrong sub forum. Where is the substance, you make no conclusions, and when you do, they are debunked by your own source you failed to read.

This is a repeat of an old thread... updated by a multi-billion dollar lawsuit http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225091
 
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Not sure about 9/11 however the fact that saudi arabia may be financing terrorism is old news. See for example this
The United States secretary of state has named Saudi Arabia as the world's most significant source of funds for Sunni terrorists.

In a diplomatic cable secretary also released by WikiLeaks, Hillary Clinton names Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Pakistan and Qatar as terrorism's major bankers.
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http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2010/s3086132.htm

This is dated December 6 2010, more than a year ago.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
So you're saying that 9/11 was carried out by islamic extremists?
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Yes.

I'm also saying that it is importatnt to find out where islamic extremism comes from. As well as how it is spread and funded, etc...

I came across a good book called "Quartermasters of Terror" by Mark Silverberg which helps answer some of those questions.

The book is actually more of a compiled list of sources for terrorism financing.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1556053827
 
shure said:
Yes.

I'm also saying that it is importatnt to find out where islamic extremism comes from. As well as how it is spread and funded, etc...
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I hate to tell you but, I'm fairly sure they come from all over the world. If memory serves, this was part of the problem with tracking who did the financing.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
So you're saying that 9/11 was carried out by islamic extremists?
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Did he tell Gage and Ryan? They told NoI it was not Islamic terrorists.

The CT, the thread is a book review, launched by Graham has book, Kerrey is running for office, and a multi-billion dollar, $1,000,000,000 +$1,000,000,000 + $1,000,000,000 +... lawsuit.

This is a great topic for politics.
 
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shure said:
Senators Bob Graham and Bob Kerrey File Affirmations in Support of 9/11 Litigation Against the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
By Cozen O'Connor, Mar 1, 2012; Modified: 1:00pm on Mar 1, 2012

PHILADELPHIA, March 1, 2012 — /PRNewswire/ -- Cozen O'Connor announced today that former Senators Bob Graham and Bob Kerrey, leaders of national inquiries into the September 11th attacks, provided affidavits in support of a pending application filed by Cozen O'Connor on behalf of victims of the September 11th Attacks and their families, to reinstate the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and a Saudi government charity as defendants in the In Re Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001 litigation.

In the affidavits, which were filed of record by Cozen O'Connor attorneys on Friday, February 24, 2012, both Senators express their view that further inquiry is warranted into the evidence of possible Saudi culpability for the 9/11 attacks. The United States District Court for the Southern District of New York will hear argument on March 15 concerning the 9/11 plaintiffs' bid to draw Saudi Arabia back into the litigation.

Read more here:
http://www.bradenton.com/2012/03/01/3911733/senators-bob-graham-and-bob-kerrey.html


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A Statement by the 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism
By 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism
Posted: 10:50am on Mar 1, 2012; Modified: 10:55am on Mar 1, 2012

MT. PLEASANT, S.C., March 1, 2012 — FRMR SENATORS BOB GRAHAM AND BOB KERREY ENTER DECLARATIONS IN FEDERAL COURT SUPPORTING FURTHER INVESTIGATION INTO POSSIBLE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN SAUDI ARABIA, THE SAUDI HIGH COMMISSION AND THE 9/11 TERRORIST ATTACKS

MT. PLEASANT, S.C., March 1, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism today applauded former Senators Bob Graham (FL) and Bob Kerrey (NE), who provided declarations on the families' behalf that were filed in Federal Court for the Southern District of New York strongly disagreeing with papers filed by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Saudi High Commission claiming that they had been "exonerated" of any connection to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The Senators, who both held leadership roles in the investigations by the U.S. government into the 9/11 attacks, urged the Court to reinstate the Kingdom and the Saudi High Commission into federal litigation (In re Terrorist Attacks) and encouraged the Court to allow a thorough investigation of any connection between the two and al Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks.

"The families and survivors of the atrocities of 9/11 have not given up hope for justice. We are determined to expose the truth," said Beverly Burnett of Bloomington, Minn., mother of Thomas E. Burnett, Jr., one of the heroes of United Flight 93. "The financiers and enablers of those who murdered our loved ones are still alive, well and capable of supporting terrorism. The trail back to them still points to Saudi Arabia."

Read more here:
http://www.bradenton.com/2012/03/01/3911362/a-statement-by-the-911-families.html




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So then are you a reformed no-planer / twoofer / conspiracist? Are you now affirming there was no inside job? That the terror attacks did happen as the "official story" states? That the 9/11 Commission Report is fundamentally accurate in the development of al Qaeda and lead up to 9/11? I'm amiss as to why you're posting this stuff, it certainly does nothing to support your inside jobby job conspiracy theory. Are you reformed?
 
Oz1976 said:
So then are you a reformed no-planer / twoofer / conspiracist? Are you now affirming there was no inside job? That the terror attacks did happen as the "official story" states? That the 9/11 Commission Report is fundamentally accurate in the development of al Qaeda and lead up to 9/11? I'm amiss as to why you're posting this stuff, it certainly does nothing to support your inside jobby job conspiracy theory. Are you reformed?
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Can we talk about the topic, without you picking fights about what this person may have said elsewhere?
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
Can we talk about the topic, without you picking fights about what this person may have said elsewhere?
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No, the questions mostly are regarding his current position, in contrast to his earlier ones. Trying to figure out where he stands now is perfectly relevant.
 
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