The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

DOC said:
The word defeat is relative (many times) according to who writes the history.
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DOC, your desperation is showing.

somehow this thread went from the claiming the Incredible odds of fulfilled prophecies to Well, my mommy said I have nice prophecies.
 
Akhenaten said:
Let's just review the story so far, shall we, DOC?

Here are some highlights of the prophecy of Ezekiel:



Ezekiel 29:19-20

19Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will give the land of Egypt unto Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon; and he shall take her multitude, and take her spoil, and take her prey; and it shall be the wages for his army.

20I have given him the land of Egypt for his labour wherewith he served against it, because they wrought for me, saith the Lord GOD.​



Ezekiel 30:10-13

10Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also make the multitude of Egypt to cease by the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon.

11He and his people with him, the terrible of the nations, shall be brought to destroy the land: and they shall draw their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain.

12And I will make the rivers dry, and sell the land into the hand of the wicked: and I will make the land waste, and all that is therein, by the hand of strangers: I the LORD have spoken it.

13Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also destroy the idols, and I will cause their images to cease out of Noph; and there shall be no more a prince of the land of Egypt: and I will put a fear in the land of Egypt.​
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You left out this part, Ezekiel 30:13-14:
13 “‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says:

“‘I will destroy the idols
and put an end to the images in Memphis.
No longer will there be a prince in Egypt,
and I will spread fear throughout the land.
14 I will lay waste Upper Egypt,
set fire to Zoan
and inflict punishment on Thebes.
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I'm confident that DOC will give us evidence any moment now, say, mentioning the hanging gardens of Memphis, or the Ishtar temple at Luxor. :rolleyes:
 
ddt said:
You left out this part, Ezekiel 30:13-14:

I'm confident that DOC will give us evidence any moment now, say, mentioning the hanging gardens of Memphis, or the Ishtar temple at Luxor. :rolleyes:
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Thanks for the correction. I've been busy researching the Auckland de Triomphe and la Cité du Nedin and must have been a bit distracted.
 
^^^
I suppose you won't accept the cultivation of Chardonnay grapes there as evidence of Napoleon's invasion of NZ?

DOC said:
Didn't pakeha or someone else originally bring that in?

I know I brought in the Nebu page, that is the Amasis page.

And the above is some evidence that Nebuchadnezzar did indeed invade Egypt as prophecised. We just don't know how much devastation he actually did to Egypt. We know Nebu. totally destroyed the first Jewish temple.
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Oh, I'm not on ignore, then.
Sorry for the confusion, DOC. I meant I was quoting from wiki, like you.
Sorry!
He sounds like a guy who can do some serious damage to a place whether he chooses to stay or not.
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Yeah! Too bad there's no signs of that serious damage, isn't it?


DOC said:
Because maybe he did devastate it like he did Jerusalem. I don't recall the word conquer in the verses, though they talked of spoils. Maybe he chose to leave Egypt for other reasons. ...
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My Bolding.
That IS odd, DOC. The verses have been cited here often enough for have caught your attention, I'd have thought.
 
DOC said:
The word defeat is relative (many times) according to who writes the history. The other Wiki article on Nebuchadnezzar II used the wording "he finished with the campaign in Egypt". . . . (snip) . . .
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The prophecy in Ezekiel, however, is NOT relative. It says, very specifically, that Nebuchadnezzar's invasion of Egypt would result in the following:

1) an end to Egypt wealth.

2) massive destruction to many of Egypt's cities, including Thebes, which is deep into Egypt.

3) that there would be no prince in Egypt.

4) that Nebuchadnezzar would fill the land with the slain.

5) that the Nile would dry up.

Even if we were to assume that the Nile drying up was a bit of hyperbole on the part of Ezekiel, for the prophecy to be fulfilled Nebuchadnezzar's invasion would have to have penetrated deep into Egypt and resulted in massive destruction in the city of Thebes. None of what was specified in this very non-relative prophecy happened.
 
pakeha said:
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I suppose you won't accept the cultivation of Chardonnay grapes there as evidence of Napoleon's invasion of NZ?
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I'll reserve judgement on that for now, but one think I'm happy to admit is that I've enjoyed some fantastic Kiwi Chardies.

Much better than the froggy rubbish.

:)
 
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DOC said:
. . . (snip) . . . Here is what TimCallahan said in this thread:

"Nebuchadrezzar was on the point of invading Egypt, but had to hasten back to Babylon to secure his accession when he got word that his father, King Nabopolasser, had died. He never did invade Egypt."

I don't know where Tim got that from so there are a lot of accounts out there. Wiki on Nebu. said he invaded Egypt then said he finished the campaign and returned to work on temples, canals, etc.
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There were two separate events regarding Egypt:

1) After Nebuchadnezzar, as crown prince, had forced a crossing of the Euphrates, he defeated a combined Assyrian and Egyptian force at Carchemish. The Assyrians were the last die-hard resistance, led by Ashur-uballit, younger brother of Ashurbanipul. He had been crowned king in Harran after the fall of Nineveh. The Medes drove him out of Harran. He fled west, crossed the Euphrates and joined forces with Pharaoh Necho. Nebuchadnezzar defeated this combined force and pursued the defeated Egyptians through western Syria and the Levant, conquering that territory on the way. He was on the point of invading Egypt when he received word that his father, Nabopolasser, had died. He hastened back to Babylon to secure his accession to the crown, rather than invading Egypt. All this happened in 605.

2) Later in his career, as king of the Chaldean Empire, in 568, Nebuchadnezzar made another attack on Egypt. It's not clear that he even intended to conquer that country or whether it was just a show of force aimed at keeping the Egyptians from interfering in the affairs of the Levant. In any case, he seems to have been stopped at the border.

Does that clear it up for you?
 
Akhenaten said:
Thanks for the correction. I've been busy researching the Auckland de Triomphe and la Cité du Nedin and must have been a bit distracted.
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:D This calls for a photoshop, but unfortunately, I'm not as gifted in that department as you are.

And just to remind everyone, of course Napoleon invaded NZ, it only happened a bit later and was not so, uhm, complete. But I guess that counts in DOC-logic. :rolleyes:
 
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TimCallahan said:
There were two separate events regarding Egypt:

1) After Nebuchadnezzar, as crown prince, had forced a crossing of the Euphrates, he defeated a combined Assyrian and Egyptian force at Carchemish. The Assyrians were the last die-hard resistance, led by Ashur-uballit, younger brother of Ashurbanipul. He had been crowned king in Harran after the fall of Nineveh. The Medes drove him out of Harran. He fled west, crossed the Euphrates and joined forces with Pharaoh Necho. Nebuchadnezzar defeated this combined force and pursued the defeated Egyptians through western Syria and the Levant, conquering that territory on the way. He was on the point of invading Egypt when he received word that his father, Nabopolasser, had died. He hastened back to Babylon to secure his accession to the crown, rather than invading Egypt. All this happened in 605.

2) Later in his career, as king of the Chaldean Empire, in 568, Nebuchadnezzar made another attack on Egypt. It's not clear that he even intended to conquer that country or whether it was just a show of force aimed at keeping the Egyptians from interfering in the affairs of the Levant. In any case, he seems to have been stopped at the border.

Does that clear it up for you?
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That clears it up for me.
Thanks very much, Tim.
 
DOC said:
The word defeat is relative (many times) according to who writes the history. The other Wiki article on Nebuchadnezzar II used the wording "he finished with the campaign in Egypt".

We could have blown Vietnam off the map with nuclear bombs. After causing incredible devastation to the land, and killing hundreds of thousands of people we finally realized is wasn't worth the trouble anymore and chose to leave. We could have won if we really wanted to go all out 100%, whose to say Nebuchadnezzar didn't feel the same way. He had a nice big palace with palm trees and hanging gardens back in Babylon. And we really don't know how much devastation and death this man, who also destroyed the Jewish temple in Jerusalem, caused in Egypt.
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Wait, are you saying that Nebuchadnezzar could have nuked Egypt but instead said, "Screw you guys, I'm going home" without displacing their prince, dispersing their people and taking all their pretty toys? In other words, the prophecy failed.
 
I have been reading this thread for the last hour and It didn't look like anyone debunked the 120 year life span nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

Verified oldest person has lived to be 122 years, 164 days. Birth certificate included.

Close enough? Sorry god, you gotta be a little more all knowing than that.

Other than that great thread. Keep going DOC, I'm almost ready to stop being an axe murdering atheist.
 
Brombadil said:
I have been reading this thread for the last hour and It didn't look like anyone debunked the 120 year life span nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

Verified oldest person has lived to be 122 years, 164 days. Birth certificate included.

Close enough? Sorry god, you gotta be a little more all knowing than that.

Other than that great thread. Keep going DOC, I'm almost ready to stop being an axe murdering atheist.
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:confused: Why would you murder axes? What have they ever done to you?
 
Brombadil said:
I have been reading this thread for the last hour and It didn't look like anyone debunked the 120 year life span nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

Verified oldest person has lived to be 122 years, 164 days. Birth certificate included.

Close enough? Sorry god, you gotta be a little more all knowing than that.

Other than that great thread. Keep going DOC, I'm almost ready to stop being an axe murdering atheist.
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I agree--it's much better to be an Christian axe-murderer. That way you can engage in your axe-murdering hobby to your heart's content, but then repent on you death bed, earning yourself a Get Out of Hell Free card.
 
Lucian said:
I agree--it's much better to be an Christian axe-murderer. That way you can engage in your axe-murdering hobby to your heart's content, but then repent on you death bed, earning yourself a Get Out of Hell Free card.
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Ack!

[Pedant back] To be clear: "axe-murderer" means you murder axes (I'm not sure that is a sin). "Axe murderer" means you murder with axes (that may be a sin).

I am sure if you want to boast about either, you want it to be clear what you are doing!

No more on this subject from me. :D
 
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