The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

Akhenaten said:
It's the same source that I use to demonstrate that Napoleon failed to invade New Zealand.
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I know this is a difficult prophecy, but we can't say for sure that Napo didn't invade New Zealand. He could of* intended to invade but then found himself exiled in Elba instead. One island isn't that much different from another, after all, even if one of those islands is two islands.




*This is rather unfair of me: DOC really seems to be improving in the [modal auxiliary] + "have" department.
 
DOC said:
When Nebuchadnzzar got there he might have just figured it wasn't worth the toll to his army.

He possibly could of had the land if he truly wanted it but figured what's the use of winning the war if I only have a few hundred men left. So God could have given it to him (if he wanted it) but Nebu just figured it wasn't worth it and didn't accept the land.
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So he didn't have enough cash to get his army through the toll?

or

He couldn't be bothered to take over one of the richest nations of the era?

or

He didn't realise that there would of been reinforcements back home?

(oops, sorry your majesty... :))


Anyway - thank you DOC - It's been a while since I had such a good laugh!
 
Lucian said:
I know this is a difficult prophecy, but we can't say for sure that Napo didn't invade New Zealand. He could of* intended to invade but then found himself exiled in Elba instead. One island isn't that much different from another, after all, even if one of those islands is two islands.




*This is rather unfair of me: DOC really seems to be improving in the [modal auxiliary] + "have" department.
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Here's what stopped him
 
New evidence has come to light . . .


When or where
Could you compare
High life
To the life you find here?
Not since Nineveh, not since Tyre,
Not since Babylon turned to mire
For a sin of a kind we never mind here!
Where or when ever again
Low life
Like the life well known here?


Not since Jericho started slidin'
From the din of a horn that's never blown here!
Our palaces are gaudier,
Our alley ways are bawdier,
Our princes more autocratichere,
Our beggars more distinctly aromatichere!
Where could you
Ever pursue
Your life
With the zeal we feel here?


Not since Babylon read that writing,
Not since Jericho heard that trumpet,
Not since Nebuchadnezzar's hanging garden went to pot,
Not since that village near
Gomorrah got
Too hot For Lot!
No, not since Nineveh,
Not since Ninevaheh-eh, eh-eh!
​

Nineveh!​


Video Evidence, even!

​
 
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DOC said:
God knows what he is going to do,
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The prophecy wasn't what HE was going to do.
The prophecy is what people were going to do. In particular, what Nebuchadnezzar was going to do.
In order for that prophecy to be true, Nebuchadnezzar would have no choice but to Conquer Egypt and the egyptians would have had no choice but to lose.

This is entirely against the concept of free will.


Now, of course Nebuchadnezzar DIDN'T conquer Egypt and the Egyptians didn't lose. As such, we are speaking of a failed prophecy.
 
DOC said:
How do you know it didn't happen
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There is no evidence that it did.
DOC said:
, yes this is a difficult prophecy out of many many prophecies,
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Many of which failed. Just like this one. But that is to be expected of a book written by man.

DOC said:
but there is no evidence that God didn't give the land to Nebuchadnezzar.
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the burden of evidence is on you. You claim that this prophecy occurred, then show the evidence that it did. Don't hide behind the "Well it could have happened" argument.

After all, God could be here with me right now telling me that you are full of it. And of course, you couldn't argue against that as you don't have evidence that it isn't true.

There is no evidence that god DID do this. Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt like the prophecy said. When Nebuchadnzzar got there he might have just figured it wasn't worth the toll to his army. He possibly could of had the land if he truly wanted it but figured what's the use of winning the war if I only have a few hundred men left. So God could have given it to him (if he wanted it) but Nebu just figured it wasn't worth it and didn't accept the land.

DOC said:
I realize this prophecy is difficult but it is not proven 100% wrong (especially with the fact that Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt and left with his army in tack.)
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You seem to be using the word "difficult" wrong.
I think the word you are looking for is "false."
 
'General, the enemy have taken the bridge over the river!'
'Can we ford it?'
'I don't know if they want to sell it'
 
Ok,that prophecy is a failure, what about the failed prophecy about uncut men in Jerusalem Doc? Will it take another couple of thousand years before they introduce willy examinations?
 
DOC said:
How do you know it didn't happen, ... Maybe when he got to Egypt he just didn't accept God's gift of land and had Babylon and its temples on his mind. He had the free will to accept the gift of land but after being there a while chose not to accept the land.
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pakeha said:
...From DOC's own wiki source:
Amasis was able to defeat an invasion of Egypt by the Babylonians under Nebuchadrezzar II; henceforth, the Babylonians experienced sufficient difficulties controlling their empire that they were forced to abandon future attacks against Amasis.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasis_II
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Just repeating, though I have the impression DOC has me on ignore.
I think it's clear DOC's need to keep his vision of an inerrant bible is overpowering him.
 
Originally Posted by pakeha

''...From DOC's own wiki source:
Amasis was able to defeat an invasion of Egypt by the Babylonians under Nebuchadrezzar II; henceforth, the Babylonians experienced sufficient difficulties controlling their empire that they were forced to abandon future attacks against Amasis.[10]''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasis_II

Doc is always quoting sources that debunk him. That's why he's Doc.
 
The only Bible prophecy that's ever been fulfilled was the one that says there will be many false prophets.

And that was an easy guess. There had already been many false prophets. It was a simple matter to predict more of the same.
 
TimCallahan said:
1) Concerning the hilited areas, no this is not in any way a prophecy that's difficult to interpret. Ezekiel 30 is quite emphatic about what Nebuchadnezzar - specifically him, not some later king - would do to Egypt (Ezek. 30:10, 11, emphasis added):

Thus says the LORD GOD: I will put and end to the wealth of Egypt, by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. He and his people with him, the most terrible of nations, shall be brought in to destroy the land; they shall draw swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.

Nebuchadnezzar's attack on Egypt did not put an end to its wealth. The Chaldeans did not destroy the land. They did not fill the land with the slain. How do we know this is true? There are a number of ways:

1) Nebuchadnezzar did not proclaim a great victory, as he certainly would have had he conquered or even devastatingly invaded Egypt.
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How do you know he didn't proclaim victory or that he devasted Egypt? You should say we have no evidence of him proclaiming a victory or that he devastated Egypt. Just because there is no evidence of something doesn't meant it didn't happen. We have no signature of Julius Caesar, that doesn't mean he never signed his name to anything.

The Assyrians and Chaldeans were very self-congratulatory in their monuments. All we have from Nebuchadnezzar is a statement that he attacked Egypt...
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So then I assume you retract this statement you made earlier:

"...Nebuchadreazzar's attack on Egypt was met at the border. He did not invade or devastate Egypt as Ezekiel predicted he would..."
 
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Going back to the beginning of this thread, I found that one of Hugh Ross' prophecies of phenomenal odds was that Micah 5:2 stated that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem:

But you O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler of Israel, whose origin is from old, from ancient days.

Since Bethlehem was the original home of David, it would be logical for the gospel writers to claim that Jesus was born there. However, the gospels are far from unanimous on this point. Mark says nothing of the birth of Jesus. Matthew and Luke, of course, claim Jesus was born there and give varying rationalizations for why he came from Galilee. Since the two Nativity stories disagree with each other in almost every particular, this raises doubt as to the veracity of this claim. One would think that John, being the last of the gospels to be written, would have resolved the issue. However, along with not having a Nativity story, John 7:41, 42 say:

Others said, "This is the Christ." But some said, "Is the Christ to come from Galilee? Has not the scripture said that the Christ is descended from David, and comes from Bethlehem, the village where David was?"

Since John doesn't add a corrective, such as. "They said this because they didn't know Jesus was born in Bethlehem," we must assume that John didn't accept that Jesus was from anywhere other than Galilee.
 
DOC said:
How do you know he didn't proclaim victory or that he devasted Egypt? You should say we have no evidence of him proclaiming a victory or that he devastated Egypt. Just because there is no evidence of something doesn't meant it didn't happen. We have no signature of Julius Caesar, that doesn't mean he never signed his name to anything.



So then I assume you retract this statement you made earlier:

"...Nebuchadreazzar's attack on Egypt was met at the border. He did not invade or devastate Egypt as Ezekiel predicted he would..."
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Give up Doc. This is embarrassing for you. I have no idea what you mean about retracting that statement. What about the uncircumcised men in Jerusalem? Your bible says that they will not be allowed in. When are you expecting that to happen?
 
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DOC said:
How do you know he didn't proclaim victory or that he devasted Egypt? You should say we have no evidence of him proclaiming a victory or that he devastated Egypt. Just because there is no evidence of something doesn't meant it didn't happen. We have no signature of Julius Caesar, that doesn't mean he never signed his name to anything. . . . (snip) . . . .
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Had he won such a devastating victory, he would have said as much, rather than merely proclaiming that he attacked Egypt.

Also, again, there should have been archaeological evidence of such widespread destruction as Ezekiel predicts, but it there is no such evidence. Specifically Ezekiel 30 says, Gd would destroy the idols of Memphis and that there would no longer be a prince in Egypt (v.13). Yet there is no destruction in Memphis at this archaeological stratum, and Amasis remained pharaoh in to the time of Cambyses, son of Cyrus the Great. That's well after the time of Nebuchadnezzar. Verses 14 through 18 list the cities that will be devastated in Nebuchadnezzar's invasion, besides Memphis. They include Pathros, Zoan, On, Pi-besheth, Tehaphenhes and Thebes.
 
dafydd said:
Originally Posted by pakeha

''...From DOC's own wiki source:
Amasis was able to defeat an invasion of Egypt by the Babylonians under Nebuchadrezzar II; henceforth, the Babylonians experienced sufficient difficulties controlling their empire that they were forced to abandon future attacks against Amasis.[10]''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasis_II

Doc is always quoting sources that debunk him. That's why he's Doc.
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Didn't pakeha or someone else originally bring that in?

I know I brought in the Nebu page, that is the Amasis page.

And the above is some evidence that Nebuchadnezzar did indeed invade Egypt as prophecised. We just don't know how much devastation he actually did to Egypt. We know Nebu. totally destroyed the first Jewish temple. He sounds like a guy who can do some serious damage to a place whether he chooses to stay or not.
 
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