The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

Talking generally about prophecy

Given a large number of years and the will to fullfill prophecy. All prophecy will be fulfilled. I have friends who still do this sometimes jeopardising aspects of their lives.

We all know how it works, someone at church prophecies you'll buy a pink car… weather it's that day or months later, you'll certainly see a pink car in interpret it as a sign.

People do this every day in conversation; our world view is a complex result of influences. So much more if you're born into religion and trained to look for biblically biased patterns in every day life.

Sorry for butting into your Nebuchadnezzar Conversation.
 
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DOC said:
How do you know it didn't happen, yes this is a difficult prophecy out of many many prophecies, but there is no evidence that God didn't give the land to Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt like the prophecy said. When Nebuchadnzzar got there he might have just figured it wasn't worth the toll to his army. He possibly could of had the land if he truly wanted it but figured what's the use of winning the war if I only have a few hundred men left. So God could have given it to him (if he wanted it) but Nebu just figured it wasn't worth it and didn't accept the land.

If I prophecize that Mr. Jackson will give his puppy to Joe when Joe and Tom go over to Mr. Jackson's house tomorrow. And I later learn that Tom now has the puppy. That doesn't necessarily mean my prophecy is wrong. Mr. Jackson could have given the puppy to Joe, but Joe didn't really want it, so he left and Tom got the puppy. The prophecy did not fail because Mr. Jackson did give the puppy to Joe, he just didn't want it.

I realize this prophecy is difficult but it is not proven 100% wrong (especially with the fact that Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt and left with his army in tack.)

Here is what Wiki said:

Following the pacification of Tyre, Nebuchadnezzar turned again to Egypt. A clay tablet,[7] now in the British Museum, states: "In the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the country of Babylon, he went to Mitzraim (Egypt) to wage war. Amasis, king of Egypt, collected [his army], and marched and spread abroad." Having completed the subjugation of Phoenicia, and a campaign against Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar set himself to rebuild and adorn the city of Babylon, and constructed canals, aqueducts, temples and reservoirs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II

Maybe when he got to Egypt he just didn't accept God's gift of land and had Babylon and its temples on his mind. He had the free will to accept the gift of land but after being there a while chose not to accept the land.
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Did you actually read the prophecy, or was that not on one of the two pages you read?
 
DOC said:
How do you know it didn't happen, yes this is a difficult prophecy out of many many prophecies, but there is no evidence that God didn't give the land to Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt like the prophecy said. When Nebuchadnzzar got there he might have just figured it wasn't worth the toll to his army. He possibly could of had the land if he truly wanted it but figured what's the use of winning the war if I only have a few hundred men left. So God could have given it to him (if he wanted it) but Nebu just figured it wasn't worth it and didn't accept the land.

If I prophecize that Mr. Jackson will give his puppy to Joe when Joe and Tom go over to Mr. Jackson's house tomorrow. And I later learn that Tom now has the puppy. That doesn't necessarily mean my prophecy is wrong. Mr. Jackson could have given the puppy to Joe, but Joe didn't really want it, so he left and Tom got the puppy. The prophecy did not fail because Mr. Jackson did give the puppy to Joe, he just didn't want it.

I realize this prophecy is difficult but it is not proven 100% wrong (especially with the fact that Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt and left with his army in tack.)

Here is what Wiki said:

Following the pacification of Tyre, Nebuchadnezzar turned again to Egypt. A clay tablet,[7] now in the British Museum, states: "In the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the country of Babylon, he went to Mitzraim (Egypt) to wage war. Amasis, king of Egypt, collected [his army], and marched and spread abroad." Having completed the subjugation of Phoenicia, and a campaign against Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar set himself to rebuild and adorn the city of Babylon, and constructed canals, aqueducts, temples and reservoirs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II

Maybe when he got to Egypt he just didn't accept God's gift of land and had Babylon and its temples on his mind. He had the free will to accept the gift of land but after being there a while chose not to accept the land.
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Bravo! Now do a somersault as well!
 
What about uncircumcised men being allowed into Jerusalem Doc?

Not forgetting this.

Ezekiel 29:10-11


"therefore I am against you and against your streams,and I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush. The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years."

Egypt has never been uninhabited
 
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DOC said:
How do you know it didn't happen, yes this is a difficult prophecy out of many many prophecies, but there is no evidence that God didn't give the land to Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt like the prophecy said. When Nebuchadnzzar got there he might have just figured it wasn't worth the toll to his army. He possibly could of had the land if he truly wanted it but figured what's the use of winning the war if I only have a few hundred men left. So God could have given it to him (if he wanted it) but Nebu just figured it wasn't worth it and didn't accept the land.

If I prophecize that Mr. Jackson will give his puppy to Joe when Joe and Tom go over to Mr. Jackson's house tomorrow. And I later learn that Tom now has the puppy. That doesn't necessarily mean my prophecy is wrong. Mr. Jackson could have given the puppy to Joe, but Joe didn't really want it, so he left and Tom got the puppy. The prophecy did not fail because Mr. Jackson did give the puppy to Joe, he just didn't want it.

I realize this prophecy is difficult but it is not proven 100% wrong (especially with the fact that Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt and left with his army in tack.)

Here is what Wiki said:

Following the pacification of Tyre, Nebuchadnezzar turned again to Egypt. A clay tablet,[7] now in the British Museum, states: "In the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the country of Babylon, he went to Mitzraim (Egypt) to wage war. Amasis, king of Egypt, collected [his army], and marched and spread abroad." Having completed the subjugation of Phoenicia, and a campaign against Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar set himself to rebuild and adorn the city of Babylon, and constructed canals, aqueducts, temples and reservoirs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II

Maybe when he got to Egypt he just didn't accept God's gift of land and had Babylon and its temples on his mind. He had the free will to accept the gift of land but after being there a while chose not to accept the land.
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Dammit... that square peg just HAS to fit into that round hole. It just has to.
 
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Akhenaten said:
This the actual prophecy, DOC:


Ezekiel 29:19-20

19Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will give the land of Egypt unto Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon; and he shall take her multitude, and take her spoil, and take her prey; and it shall be the wages for his army.

20I have given him the land of Egypt for his labour wherewith he served against it, because they wrought for me, saith the Lord GOD.​
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This did not happen, DOC!
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How do you know it didn't happen, yes this is a difficult prophecy out of many many prophecies, but there is no evidence that God didn't give the land to Nebuchadnezzar.
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There's no evidence that this god thing of yours even exists, DOC, much less that it's in a position to be giving things like entire nations away as presents to its BFFs.


DOC;;8065596 said:
Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt like the prophecy said.
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I have yet to see your evidence for this. Given the size, power and wealth of Egypt at the time it would have been quite a to-do and one would expect that there would be absolute oodles of evidence of its having been conquered by Babylon.

And yet there's nothing of the sort. Just as one would expect if it had never happened.


DOC;;8065596 said:
When Nebuchadnzzar got there he might have just figured it wasn't worth the toll to his army. He possibly could of had the land if he truly wanted it but figured what's the use of winning the war if I only have a few hundred men left. So God could have given it to him (if he wanted it) but Nebu just figured it wasn't worth it and didn't accept the land.
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That paragraph is so clueless I'm not going to dignify it with any answer other than simply pointing out that it's nothing like what the prophecy said:

". . . and he shall take her multitude, and take her spoil, and take her prey; and it shall be the wages for his army."​

What makes you think you can just leave that bit out when it suits you?


DOC;;8065596 said:
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I realize this prophecy is difficult but it is not proven 100% wrong (especially with the fact that Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt and left with his army in tack.)
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In tack?

Anyway . . . you still haven't provided any evidence for a successful invasion or are you going to try and claim that Ezekiel foretold a failed campaign?


DOC;;8065596 said:
Here is what Wiki said:

Following the pacification of Tyre, Nebuchadnezzar turned again to Egypt. A clay tablet,[7] now in the British Museum, states: "In the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the country of Babylon, he went to Mitzraim (Egypt) to wage war. Amasis, king of Egypt, collected [his army], and marched and spread abroad." Having completed the subjugation of Phoenicia, and a campaign against Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar set himself to rebuild and adorn the city of Babylon, and constructed canals, aqueducts, temples and reservoirs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II
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I don't see the part where it says that the campaign against Egypt was a success and that the place was plundered as foretold by Ezekiel.

Perhaps you could highlight it for me?


DOC;;8065596 said:
Maybe when he got to Egypt he just didn't accept God's gift and had Babylon and its temples on his mind. He had the free will to accept the gift of land but chose not to accept the land.
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Vapid nonsense.

Are you seriously going to try and claim that Nebuchadnezzer conquered Egypt and then just said "Meh, don't want it now." and went home again?

Really???
 
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DOC said:
If God banishes free will we are just puppets, programmed by God, but that's a whole other "free will" thread.
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But, (following my last post) in THAT case, why did God deny Nebu's "free will" to conquer Egypt? If God let Nebu destroy Jerusalem in the interests of his free will, why didn't he let him conquer Egypt for the same reason?

And why should Nebu's free will be more important to God than the free will of the Jerusalemites who presumably didn't want their city to be sacked?
 
DOC said:
How do you know it didn't happen, yes this is a difficult prophecy out of many many prophecies, but there is no evidence that God didn't give the land to Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt like the prophecy said. When Nebuchadnzzar got there he might have just figured it wasn't worth the toll to his army. He possibly could of had the land if he truly wanted it but figured what's the use of winning the war if I only have a few hundred men left. So God could have given it to him (if he wanted it) but Nebu just figured it wasn't worth it and didn't accept the land
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I realize this prophecy is difficult but it is not proven 100% wrong (especially with the fact that Nebuchadnezzar did invade Egypt and left with his army in tack.)
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Maybe when he got to Egypt he just didn't accept God's gift of land and had Babylon and its temples on his mind. He had the free will to accept the gift of land but after being there a while chose not to accept the land.
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1) Concerning the hilited areas, no this is not in any way a prophecy that's difficult to interpret. Ezekiel 30 is quite emphatic about what Nebuchadnezzar - specifically him, not some later king - would do to Egypt (Ezek. 30:10, 11, emphasis added):

Thus says the LORD GOD: I will put and end to the wealth of Egypt, by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. He and his people with him, the most terrible of nations, shall be brought in to destroy the land; they shall draw swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.

Nebuchadnezzar's attack on Egypt did not put an end to its wealth. The Chaldeans did not destroy the land. They did not fill the land with the slain. How do we know this is true? There are a number of ways:

1) Nebuchadnezzar did not proclaim a great victory, as he certainly would have had he conquered or even devastatingly invaded Egypt. The Assyrians and Chaldeans were very self-congratulatory in their monuments. All we have from Nebuchadnezzar is a statement that he attacked Egypt.

2) The Egyptians did not record any great catastrophe at this time, as they did, for example, when the Hyksos invaded Egypt. In ancient times such catastrophes were attributed to the anger of the gods against one's land. For example, the Moabite Stone, set up by Mesha, king of Moab, states the Omri, Ahab's father, humbled Moab for many years, "For Chemosh [god of the Moabites] was angry with his land."

3) The archaeological data does not support the claim of a massive invasion. There should have been signs of burning and wanton destruction, as there were at many of the cities of the ancient world at the and of the Bronze Age.

Bear in mind that Ezekiel's grudge against Egypt was that it used Judah as a cat's paw in dealing with first the Assyrian, then the Chaldean, Empire. It wouldn't be enough for this prophecy to be true for Nebuchadnezzar to have decided not to conquer Egypt. The prophecy said he would invade the land, fill it with the slain, destroy the land and put an end to its wealth. Further, the prophecy cannot be fulfilled by some later conqueror doing this to Egypt, because it specifically says that Nebuchadnezzar would do it.

This is a specific, failed, prophecy. QED.
 
TimCallahan said:
1) Concerning the hilited areas, no this is not in any way a prophecy that's difficult to interpret. Ezekiel 30 is quite emphatic about what Nebuchadnezzar - specifically him, not some later king - would do to Egypt (Ezek. 30:10, 11, emphasis added):

Thus says the LORD GOD: I will put and end to the wealth of Egypt, by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. He and his people with him, the most terrible of nations, shall be brought in to destroy the land; they shall draw swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.

Nebuchadnezzar's attack on Egypt did not put an end to its wealth. The Chaldeans did not destroy the land. They did not fill the land with the slain. How do we know this is true? There are a number of ways:

1) Nebuchadnezzar did not proclaim a great victory, as he certainly would have had he conquered or even devastatingly invaded Egypt. The Assyrians and Chaldeans were very self-congratulatory in their monuments. All we have from Nebuchadnezzar is a statement that he attacked Egypt.

2) The Egyptians did not record any great catastrophe at this time, as they did, for example, when the Hyksos invaded Egypt. In ancient times such catastrophes were attributed to the anger of the gods against one's land. For example, the Moabite Stone, set up by Mesha, king of Moab, states the Omri, Ahab's father, humbled Moab for many years, "For Chemosh [god of the Moabites] was angry with his land."

3) The archaeological data does not support the claim of a massive invasion. There should have been signs of burning and wanton destruction, as there were at many of the cities of the ancient world at the and of the Bronze Age.

Bear in mind that Ezekiel's grudge against Egypt was that it used Judah as a cat's paw in dealing with first the Assyrian, then the Chaldean, Empire. It wouldn't be enough for this prophecy to be true for Nebuchadnezzar to have decided not to conquer Egypt. The prophecy said he would invade the land, fill it with the slain, destroy the land and put an end to its wealth. Further, the prophecy cannot be fulfilled by some later conqueror doing this to Egypt, because it specifically says that Nebuchadnezzar would do it.

This is a specific, failed, prophecy. QED.
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Maybe there's another Nebuchandnezzar that's out there, RIGHT NOW, playing "Children of the Nile" and making a total hash of it. Now THAT would be a prophecy!
 
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