Ed Canadian election fraud investigation

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(ETA: Shortest thread title ever! Mods, please change the title to "Canadian election fraud investigation")

Fraudulent robocalls sent voters to wrong polling locations

Elections Canada has traced fraudulent phone calls made during the federal election to an Edmonton voice-broadcast company that worked for the Conservative Party across the country.

While the agency investigates, aided by the RCMP, the Conservatives are conducting an internal probe. A party lawyer is interviewing campaign workers to find who was behind the deceptive “robocalls.”

Elections Canada launched its investigation after it was inundated with complaints about election day calls in Guelph, Ont., one of 18 ridings across the country where voters were targeted by harassing or deceptive phone messages in an apparent effort to discourage Liberal supporters from voting.

In Guelph, a riding the Conservatives hoped to take from the Liberals, voters received recorded calls pretending to be from Elections Canada, telling them their polling stations had been moved. The calls led to a chaotic scene at one polling station, and likely led some voters to give up on voting.

Postmedia News and the Ottawa Citizen have found that Elections Canada traced the calls to Racknine Inc., a small Edmonton call centre that worked for the party’s national campaign and those of at least nine Conservative candidates, including Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s own campaign in Calgary Southwest. There is no evidence that Harper’s campaign or any of the other candidates were involved in the calls.

Racknine says it was unaware its servers were being used for the fake calls.

Fred DeLorey, a spokesman for the Conservative Party, declined to say how much business the party did with Racknine during the campaign. He said the party does not know who was behind the calls, and he did not respond to a question about its internal investigation.

Elections Canada came to Racknine after an elaborate digital chase that began with a single telephone number that showed up on call displays. Investigators traced it to a disposable “burner” cellphone registered in area code 450, in the city of Joliette, northeast of Montreal.

Transcript of a bogus call sent to a voter in Guelph on federal election day, May 2, 2011.

“This is an automated message from Elections Canada. Due to a projected increase in voter turnout, your poll location has been changed. Your new voting location is at the Old Quebec Street Mall, at 55 Wyndham Street North. Once again, your new poll location is at the Old Quebec Street Mall, at 55 Wyndham Street North. If you have any questions, please call our hotline at 1-800-443-4456. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. (French version recorded in another woman’s voice follows.)”

This is very very curious indeed and may cast doubt on the results of the Federal election in Canada, which it's my understanding won by a rather narrow margin. I'll be following this one a bit closely; I'm curious where the story might lead.
 
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Haha, wow... and I LOLed when I saw Racknine's name in there. They were the first webhost I used for my site, before we moved away because their service frankly sucked. ;) Of course, that was almost 10 years ago, maybe they got better.... at least so long as you toe the Conservative party line :D
 
lol
election fraud
lol

hey I'm just glad we have a stable hand on the wheel when our economy is so dangerously imperiled reckless coalition spending etc. who cares about if the election was a bit illegal. lots of things are a bit illegal.

so anyways, yeah... my bet is:
zilch will come from this. people won't pay attention and the henchmen behind this will get off scott free. maybe they'll throw another intern into the volcano, who knows.

also, I'd like to point out that this kind of shenanigan is only really useful in a FPTP system, where a handful of votes in 'swing' ridings matter. if we had a proportional representation system, there wouldn't even be the incentive for election fraud like this.
 
I just can't see how this will not end up before the courts. The Conservatives are saying "it happened to us too" which backs them into a corner and means that they have to support a police investigation.

In the best case Harper winds up in jail. Though, I must admit the changes of that are close to zero. If thing play out at the normal glacial time it takes our courts, the results should be just in time for the next election. Hilariously enough the fixed four year term introduced by the Devil Himself will not give him sufficient wiggle room (the three month memory of the Canadian electorate) for things to blow over.

IMHO of course.

:popcorn6
 
This just in:

Published On Mon Feb 27 2012

Tonda MacCharles Ottawa Bureau

OTTAWA—Callers on behalf of the federal Conservative Party were instructed in the days before last year’s election to read scripts telling voters that Elections Canada had changed their voting locations, say telephone operators who worked for a Thunder Bay-based call centre.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...s-in-2011-election-say-call-centre-staff?bn=1

Just adding to the list. "Mr Harper, have you no shame?"

"Oh what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive." Sir Walter Scott

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/02/27/lawrence-martintrouble-in-toryland-their-dirty-tricks-catalogue/

Picture at this site of Harper Cabinet meeting:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wi...of-legless-amphibian-discovered-in-India.html
 
While I do think that anyone connected with these events should be slammed by the heavy bat of the law to the fullest extent possible (and the whole episode just lowers my opinion of the Harper Conservatives even more), I'm not sure I have much sympathy for those who were misled by the phone calls.

In Ontario—and I assume it works the same elsewhere since it is a national election—you get a voting card that has printed upon it the location of the poll in your area. It tells you to bring that card with you when you go to vote. So the idea that the poll location would be abruptly changed just before the election date, and individual voters told that by a telephone call, ought to have been greeted with considerable skepticism by those receiving such calls. In all the federal elections I've been through I can't recall one where the polling location was not the one listed on the voting card.
 
While I do think that anyone connected with these events should be slammed by the heavy bat of the law to the fullest extent possible (and the whole episode just lowers my opinion of the Harper Conservatives even more), I'm not sure I have much sympathy for those who were misled by the phone calls.

They got had by the oldest trick in the book, the "Look, what's that over there?".
 
While I do think that anyone connected with these events should be slammed by the heavy bat of the law to the fullest extent possible (and the whole episode just lowers my opinion of the Harper Conservatives even more), I'm not sure I have much sympathy for those who were misled by the phone calls.

In Ontario—and I assume it works the same elsewhere since it is a national election—you get a voting card that has printed upon it the location of the poll in your area. It tells you to bring that card with you when you go to vote. So the idea that the poll location would be abruptly changed just before the election date, and individual voters told that by a telephone call, ought to have been greeted with considerable skepticism by those receiving such calls. In all the federal elections I've been through I can't recall one where the polling location was not the one listed on the voting card.

So you were not "a first time voter"? Someone voting for the first time might well have been confused and gone to the "wrong" location. In at least one riding the winning margin was under 19 votes. :jaw-dropp or even :jaw:
 
I'm pretty disappointed hearing about this investigation. I do hope they catch whomever is responsible. However, I do believe even Stephen Harper has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

But then again this is the politics forum, so nevermind.

I don't think the election was that close was it? The CPC won a majority with room to spare.
 
The saga continues:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news.../Atom&utm_source=Politics&utm_content=2351508

Prime Minister Stephen Harper brushed off accusations of electoral fraud in the Commons Monday and rejected opposition calls to hold by-elections in affected ridings.
"We don't need no steenking investigation. I am the Great Wizard of Oz."

Mr. Harper challenged his political rivals to produce proof of Tory misbehaviour.

“The Conservative Party of Canada has denied such allegations,” he said. “We don’t have any such information. If the NDP has – and I am not sure that is the case – then the NDP must turn it over to Elections Canada.”
So why did you just fire the poor slob you selected as the fall guy? Don't you think as a supporter of law and order the police should be informed? :boggled:
 
Here's progress:

Updated: Mon Feb. 27 2012 5:27:12 PM

CTVNews.ca Staff


The House of Commons unanimously passed a motion Monday that asks MPs of all political stripes to help the RCMP and Elections Canada with an investigation into allegations the Conservatives carried out a sophisticated automated calling campaign to confuse Liberal and New Democrat voters in the last election.

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...-of-commnos-120227/20120227/?hub=MontrealHome

We'll see what happens next. ;)
 
lol
election fraud
lol

hey I'm just glad we have a stable hand on the wheel when our economy is so dangerously imperiled reckless coalition spending etc. who cares about if the election was a bit illegal. lots of things are a bit illegal.

so anyways, yeah... my bet is:
zilch will come from this. people won't pay attention and the henchmen behind this will get off scott free. maybe they'll throw another intern into the volcano, who knows.

also, I'd like to point out that this kind of shenanigan is only really useful in a FPTP system, where a handful of votes in 'swing' ridings matter. if we had a proportional representation system, there wouldn't even be the incentive for election fraud like this.

Right...


It's not a system change you need (though you should switch to Preferential Voting), it's a body in charge like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Electoral_Commission

Bloody hard to cheat when an independent body runs the whole thing.
 
So you were not "a first time voter"? Someone voting for the first time might well have been confused and gone to the "wrong" location.


The instructions on the card are pretty clear. And how many first-time voters are there in a typical federal election anyway?

As I said, anyone connected to such campaign "dirty tricks" should be slammed hard. But let's not completely absolve the individual voter of their responsibility for having at least understanding and knowledge of the voting process.



I'm pretty disappointed hearing about this investigation. I do hope they catch whomever is responsible. However, I do believe even Stephen Harper has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.


Of course. That goes without saying. But let us also remember the Conservatives were investigated by Elections Canada for improper shenanigans in the 2006 federal election, i.e. the "In and Out" spending scandal.


I don't think the election was that close was it? The CPC won a majority with room to spare.


In aggregate, yes. In individual ridings, not so much, as some were decided by a mere handful of votes.



It's not a system change you need (though you should switch to Preferential Voting), it's a body in charge like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Electoral_Commission


We have that. It's called Elections Canada. Having such an organization does not in itself prevent individual riding campaigns from running those campaigns in a less than scrupulous way and hoping they don't get caught.
 
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They got had by the oldest trick in the book, the "Look, what's that over there?".


Ironically the actual oldest trick in the book is to convince people that they are too smart to to be taken in. Once you do this you can get them to do pretty much whatever they are told. This little trick is the basis of all the most successful con jobs.
 
Me said:
The incentive for this kind of cheating is less in a proportional representation system.

Right...


It's not a system change you need

I don't see how you can dispute the incentives in question here. In a FPTP race, tight ridings can be one by as little as one vote, but every riding counts equally regardless of actual percentage of ballots cast for the winning candidate. In these races, where there is a big payout (a seat for your party) from a potentially marginal change in the distribution of votes, there is clearly a stronger incentive to take the risk of cheating than under a PR system, where the (presumably marginal) impact of this kind of vote suppression likely wouldn't make much of a difference to the final results.

In the last election there were (by my count from the elections canada data) some 22 ridings that the conservatives won with less than a 5% margin. In these ridings, voter suppression may well have contributed to the conservatives winning seats. The current government has a majority of 11 seats.

In a PR system, getting 30% vs. 35% of the vote in these ridings wouldn't have made as much of a difference in the power the winning party ultimately wielded in parliament.
 
This isn’t going to go over well.

A telephone number used to place automated calls directing voters to the wrong polling station in Guelph, Ont., in the last federal election was registered to a "Pierre Poutine" of Separatist Street, Joliette, Que., court documents reveal.

Story.
 

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