The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

[dafydd]

DOC, what can you tell me about the unfulfilled Bible prophecies? I believe there is a list of them in this thread.

Ah yes, here's a link for your convenience: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8032880#post8032880


ETA: Well, wasn't that timely? DOC, there seems to be a clamor for answers which you aren't providing.

And there are plenty more where they came from Doc. Are you ready to admit that the bible is contains many unfulfilled prophecies?

 

[Leumas]

What about these Doc?

You will NEVER get an answer from him that in anyway could be anything other than utter hogwash even if he does respond.

This video and this one I think sum up what I want to say to all the TWENTY FIRST CENTURY fundamentalists like DOC et al.


In the first video watch minutes 5:36 onwards for an EXQUISITE demonstration of the Usurping God Of Hindsight Effect.

In the second video watch minutes 8:40 to 9:03 to see how religion makes LITTLE CHILDREN HAIL that God SHOULD RIGHTFULLY KILL people who are different from them...... no wonder William Craig grew up to say the REPUGNANT stuff he says in the video I pointed to in this post.

 

[dafydd]

I'll get to these as time permits; I've already addressed the some will not taste death verse before in another thread.

They didn't taste death before they saw the beginning of the Kingdom with the Resurrection of Christ.

All of them Doc, not just that one. Let's start with this one.

Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

The Canaanite language has never been spoken in Egypt, and is now extinct.

 

[Craig B]

And there are plenty more where they came from Doc. Are you ready to admit that the bible is contains many unfulfilled prophecies?

Here's a simple one:

Revelation 1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

"Shortly", "at hand"? We've waited almost 2,000 years!

 

[dafydd]

No wonder Doc is avoiding all this. He doesn't stand a chance and he knows it.

 

[Craig B]

I'll get to these as time permits; I've already addressed the some will not taste death verse before in another thread. They didn't taste death before they saw the beginning of the Kingdom with the Resurrection of Christ.

That's not what Paul thought, because here's a contradiction between your ridiculous interpretation and one of Paul's Biblical prophecies:

1 Thessalonians 4:15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

But Paul and these other guys are all dead, and "the coming of the Lord" hasn't happened, has it?

 

[dafydd]

That's not what Paul thought, because here's a contradiction between your ridiculous interpretation and one of Paul's Biblical prophecies: But Paul and these other guys are all dead, and "the coming of the Lord" hasn't happened, has it?

Nope. Failed prophecy number 1. Shall we start counting them?

 

[zooterkin]

It was not a false statement to me at the time I said it, because that is what I believed at the time.

It absolutely was a false statement when you made it. Let me remind you what you said:

I asked (and looked myself) but no one has presented what these alleged fragments say about Alexander.

Craig B had done exactly that, more than once.

I can't guarantee that I read every post, as I'm sure many people don't read every post in long, often complicated, threads.

Then perhaps you should refrain from making statements that imply that you have, and also have the decency to apologise when you're shown to be wrong.

 

[Verde]

That's not what Paul thought, because here's a contradiction between your ridiculous interpretation and one of Paul's Biblical prophecies: But Paul and these other guys are all dead, and "the coming of the Lord" hasn't happened, has it?

It could have. He may have sneaked in the back door while we were out.
Re-arranged a bit of furniture; said 'sod this for a laugh', and left.

It makes as much sense as any of DOC's posts.

V.

 

[Craig B]

A prophecy against the city of Tyre

Ezekiel 26:14 I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.

The Sovereign LORD got that wrong. The city was rebuilt, and today it is a big tourist attraction in Lebanon. See wiki

Tyre (Arabic: صور, Ṣūr; Phoenician: , Ṣur; Hebrew: צוֹר‎‎, Tzor; Tiberian Hebrew צר, Ṣōr; Akkadian: Ṣurru; Greek: Τύρος, Týros; Turkish: Sur; Latin: Tyrus) is a city in the South Governorate of Lebanon. There were approximately 117,000 inhabitants in 2003.

 

[George 152]

How about these other Alexanders of Macedon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_II_of_Macedon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_I_of_Macedon

You're losing.
Admit it.
Don't change the subject or move the goalposts.
Oh and the website you need is the skeptics annotated bible

 

[kmortis]

Just a friendly reminder to keep it on topic and civil. The topic isn't Evidence for Alexander or what Thomas Jefferson included in his book. It's about Biblical prophesy. I really don't want to have to cull the thread, and since I tend to use an axe rather than a scalpel, neither should you.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis

 

[Craig B]

We're well into a discussion of prophecies now, you may be pleased to see!

 

[Craig B]

Another dubious prophecy.

Jeremiah 34:4 Yet hear the LORD’s promise to you, Zedekiah king of Judah. This is what the LORD says concerning you: You will not die by the sword; 5 you will die peacefully.

So far so good. But wait ...

Jeremiah 52:10 There at Riblah the king of Babylon killed the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes; he also killed all the officials of Judah. 11 Then he put out Zedekiah’s eyes, bound him with bronze shackles and took him to Babylon, where he put him in prison till the day of his death.

Is that prophecy half right? Zedekiah didn't die "peacefully", but we don't know if it was a sword, disease or old age that ended his earthly sojourn in a Babylonian slammer.

 

[dafydd]

The Destruction of Egypt


''Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee. And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it. Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.''

The Lord was telling porkies.

 

[Mudcat]

We need a bigger shovel:

Now DOC, I don't know what sparked the debate about the existence of Jesus and Alexander. It seems like a rehash of the same debate dead horse topic that's been flogged to death in the evidence thread of yours.

But the existence of Jesus and Alexander and Jesus? Not the topic of this thread. You know, the very thread we're posting in that you created yourself? The topic (in case you have forgotten) is about biblical prophecies. You mind addressing those now?

 

[dafydd]

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These prophecies failed. Care to comment?



Isaiah 17:1

"An oracle concerning Damascus: See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins."

Damascus is still there.

Isaiah 19:4-5

"I will hand the Egyptians over to the power of a cruel master, and a fierce king will rule over them, declares the Lord, the LORD Almighty. The waters of the river will dry up, and the riverbed will be parched and dry."

The Nile has never dried up



Isaiah 52:1

"Awake, awake, O Zion, clothe yourself with strength. Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, the holy city. The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again."

No willy checks at the airport

Ezekiel 29:10-11


"therefore I am against you and against your streams,and I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush. The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years."

Egypt has never been uninhabited



6 .Matthew 16:28, Matthew 23:36, Matthew 24:34

16:28

"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

23:36

"I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation."

24:34

"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."


2000 years. He's a bit late



Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.

There should be billions of Jewish people.




Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

The Canaanite language has never been spoken in Egypt, and is now extinct.

 

[DOC]

Forget the book, forget Jefferson and get back on the topic that you started. These prophecies failed. Care to comment?...

I don't have the time to research all of them now. This thread ended about 4 years ago and was bumped by someone else. I'll look at them at my convenience. I will definitely respond within a month or sooner.

 

[dafydd]

I don't have the time to research all of them now. This thread ended about 4 years ago and was bumped by someone else. I'll look at them at my convenience. I will definitely respond within a month or sooner.

You don't need a lot of time. The prophecies I gave all failed. It's very simple. Damascus is still there, they do not check your penis when you enter Jerusalem, the Nile has never dried up, etc. What research do you have to do in order to know that they failed? I doubt if god is going to get in touch with you and explain why he was wrong.

 

[Mudcat]

I don't have the time to research all of them now. This thread ended about 4 years ago and was bumped by someone else. I'll look at them at my convenience. I will definitely respond within a month or sooner.

...It would take a few minutes to look at the information, DOC.

But since you seem to have less time than someone like me (who works two jobs and is a full time student), let me summarize for you: Every time the Bible has made a testable prediction it has either been wrong or making a post-diction.

Care to address this sometime soon?