The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

Well if we just go with the fact that there is no contemporary written evidence about him an argument could be made by some against it.
In post #600 I listed and cited 3 such contemporary sources. If you think I have invented them, go and look them up. If you think they are forged, say why; but since I have gone to the trouble of informing you about them, I deserve the courtesy of being told by you why you are still denying their existence.

Are you saying that Alexander didn't instruct the people of Chios regarding their constitution, or that the temple authorities in Babylon didn't record his visit to their city?

Also coins datable to Alexander's lifetime and bearing his image are quite common. Writing on papyrus hasn't survived since his time, except in the dry environment of Egypt. But inscriptions on stone, clay, silver, copper and gold referring to Alexander have survived, and are in our possession today.
 
Then you must have noticed that your hero saw fit to exclude all the supernatural bits of the gospels.

Why do you think he did this?
Actually he didn't. He included a verse about an angel and from memory he included a healing verse.
 
Definitely a bot.
There's no doubt in my mind now.
Only a bot would repeat this utterly insane reasoning as the DOCbot has done so many times.



Well.... he is probably a real flesh and blood DRONE rather than a bot.

It is just that religion does that to one's mind. You HAVE TO BE a MINDLESS drone or else you will BECOME one after a while.

I have noted that DOC might be a GAFFS on many occasions but every now and then he betrays some REMNANTS of his human origins but then goes back to DRONING along as is predicated by the exigency of his faith.
 
Actually he didn't. He included a verse about an angel and from memory he included a healing verse.
Why don't you quote them, and then I can say they're not there, just as you have done with my contemporary Alexander quotes.
 
Eh? What are you talking about? See my posts #600 and #661.


I'll save him the trouble of all that scrolling and stuff.


Post #600

I tried for a few minutes but I couldn't find what these alleged fragments say? So the evidence at this point in this thread says there is no contemporary writings about Alexander the Great, the man whom history says conquered much of the world and even the Holy Land. Why no contemporary sources for such a great world conqueror??
Please stop reading apologetic evangelical websites that spout nonsense about how Jesus is better attested that Alexander or Caesar in the historical record. It's not difficult to find out what the "alleged fragments" say. Here are some. What they say makes sense, by the way.

http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_z1.html In the summer of 330, the Athenian politician Aeschines attacked his rival Demosthenes for the failure of the latter's anti-Macedonian policy. His speech is known as Against Ctesiphon. It has survived in copies.
What strange and unexpected event has not occurred in our time? ... the unfortunate Spartans, who were only involved with these events at the beginning when the temple at Delphi was captured, and who at one time claimed to be the leaders of the Greeks, are now about to be sent to Alexander as hostages to parade their misfortune.
Here are a couple of notices whose originals survive from Alexander's day. Public inscription:
From King Alexander to the people of [the Greek island of] Chios, written in the prytany of Deisitheos: [probably 334/3 BC] All those exiled from Chios are to return, and the constitution on Chios is to be democratic. Drafters of legislation are to be selected to write and emend the laws ... Anything already emended or drafted is to be referred to Alexander.

http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_t40.html From a cuneiform tablet found in a temple in Babylon, containing notes of contemporary astronomical observations, and other current events
On the eleventh, in Sippar an order of Al[exander to the Babylonians was sent as follow]s: 'Into your houses I shall not enter.' [12] On the thirteenth, [the vanguard advanced to the Sikil]la gate, to the outer gate of Esagila and [the Babylonians prostrated themselves]. Alexander, king of the world, came into Babylon [lacuna], horses and equipment of [lacuna] and the Babylonians and the people of [lacuna] a message to ...

We are told by trustworthy historians that earlier writers, whose works are lost, mentioned Alexander, as we might expect. We KNOW that writers contemporary with Jesus, if he existed, or who were active later in the first century, did NOT mention him. (I reject the Josephus references as spurious.) But nothing in Philo, nothing in Justus, nothing in Pliny the Elder. The notices we do have, from Pliny the Younger, Suetonius and Tacitus in the early second century, refer to Christian communities, which we know existed by that time. They never name Jesus.

When references to Jesus do start to appear, they are full of supernatural nonsense about a divine miracle worker. We have stuff like that about Alexander too, but nobody believes a word of it!
 
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Yeah, of course I'll take your word for it and trust your memory...

If I gave the verse where Jefferson mentioned an angel in his book it wouldn't change your views one iota so why take the time to get the book again. I don't possess the book but I have seen it and read probably about 30% of it. Each verse has 4 translations English, French, Greek, and Latin, side by side of each other.
 
If I gave the verse where Jefferson mentioned an angel in his book it wouldn't change your views one iota so why take the time to get the book again. I don't possess the book but I have seen it and read probably about 30% of it. Each verse has 4 translations English, French, Greek, and Latin, side by side of each other.

Off topic. What about the failed bible prophecies?
 
If I gave the verse where Jefferson mentioned an angel in his book it wouldn't change your views one iota so why take the time to get the book again. I don't possess the book but I have seen it and read probably about 30% of it. Each verse has 4 translations English, French, Greek, and Latin, side by side of each other.
DOC, are you sure you're feeling OK? Like, have you been reading the last few posts?

Anyway, bet I can get the Jefferson references by myself pretty soon.
 
If I gave the verse where Jefferson mentioned an angel in his book it wouldn't change your views one iota so why take the time to get the book again. I don't possess the book but I have seen it and read probably about 30% of it. Each verse has 4 translations English, French, Greek, and Latin, side by side of each other.


Off topic. What about the failed bible prophecies?


Good point.


Doc will do anything rather than talk about failed bible prophecies.



Isaiah 17:1

"An oracle concerning Damascus: See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins."

Damascus is still there.

Isaiah 19:4-5

"I will hand the Egyptians over to the power of a cruel master, and a fierce king will rule over them, declares the Lord, the LORD Almighty. The waters of the river will dry up, and the riverbed will be parched and dry."

The Nile has never dried up



Isaiah 52:1

"Awake, awake, O Zion, clothe yourself with strength. Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, the holy city. The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again."

No willy checks at the airport

Ezekiel 29:10-11


"therefore I am against you and against your streams,and I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush. The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years."

Egypt has never been uninhabited



6 .Matthew 16:28, Matthew 23:36, Matthew 24:34

16:28

"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

23:36

"I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation."

24:34

"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."


2000 years. He's a bit late



Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.

There should be billions of Jewish people.




Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

The Canaanite language has never been spoken in Egypt, and is now extinct.



Care to comment, Doc?
my embiggening
 
DOC

http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/
" . . Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called "The Jefferson Bible," he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels. He presented these teachings, along with the essential events of the life of Jesus, in one continuous narrative."
So Jefferson rejected the religious doctrine. Do you? He rejected the prophecies. Now you have the text, quote from it the passages you are referring to.

And comment, please on my quotes about Alexander, which you appear to deny I have even made.

I have discussed matters with religious people before, often receiving much instruction and pleasure from such discourse: but I have never encountered anyone like you before in my life.
 
...http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_z1.html In the summer of 330, the Athenian politician Aeschines attacked his rival Demosthenes for the failure of the latter's anti-Macedonian policy. His speech is known as Against Ctesiphon. It has survived in copies. Here are a couple of notices whose originals survive from Alexander's day. Public inscription:

http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_t40.html From a cuneiform tablet found in a temple in Babylon, containing notes of contemporary astronomical observations, and other current events

We are told by trustworthy historians that earlier writers, whose works are lost, mentioned Alexander, as we might expect...

Ok, So now I have skimmed most of your post. Still, if this is all the contemporary material there is for a man who supposedly conquered much of the world it just shows just how very scarce contemporary writings can be in the ancient world.
 
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Ok, So now I have skimmed most of your post. Still, if this is all the contemporary material there is for a man who supposedly conquered much of the world it just shows just how very scarce contemporary writings can be in the ancient world.

What about the failed prophecies?
 

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