The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

[Akhenaten]

Ok, So now I have skimmed most of your post. Still, if this is all the contemporary material there is for a man who supposedly conquered much of the world it just shows just how very scarce contemporary writings can be in the ancient world.

Where does that leave this claim of yours then?

So you do believe that Alexander {the Great} existed then?

Well if we just go with the fact that there is no contemporary written evidence about him an argument could be made by some against it.

ETA: Answer dafydd first.

 

[Craig B]

Ok, So now I have skimmed most of your post. Still, if this is all the contemporary material there is for a man who supposedly conquered much of the world it just shows just how very scarce contemporary writings can be in the ancient world.

A step in the right direction, DOC, But I think you're missing the point, which is that you clearly stated:

I asked (and looked myself) but no one has presented what these alleged fragments say about Alexander.

But that was a false statement DOC. Now you're saying they do exist. Does that not indicate the existence of Alexander?

Anyway, please read my post more carefully, and read the rest of it, and let me have your considered opinion. I'd the Babylon tablet a forgery? Is the Chios inscription a forgery? Or whatever.

 

[DOC]

...Matthew 16:28, Matthew 23:36, Matthew 24:34

16:28

"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

23:36

"I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation."

24:34

"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."

I'll get to these as time permits; I've already addressed the some will not taste death verse before in another thread.

They didn't taste death before they saw the beginning of the Kingdom with the Resurrection of Christ.

 

[pakeha]

And this proves WHAT about the ah 'fulfilled' bible prophecies?

@leumas- I see your point. I waver between bot and a collective effort from students at a bible uni. For example this last post shows a different language than earlier DOCproductions.

 

[joobz]

If I gave the verse where Jefferson mentioned an angel in his book it wouldn't change your views one iota so why take the time to get the book again. I don't possess the book but I have seen it and read probably about 30% of it.

Google books has it.
Go there and get it.
Funny thing too is that a search for "angel" doesn't find anything.


Now DOC, I find your attempts at perverting another person (Jefferson) works to suit your own frail beliefs disgusting.

Jefferson was quote clear about his motivation for the Jefferson bible:

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

It is more accurate to say that Jefferson viewed the bible as a pile of dung, then it is to claim that he believed Jesus was the son of god.

 

[Akhenaten]

I'll get to these as time permits; I've already addressed the some will not taste death verse before in another thread.

As time permits? You've had plenty of time to post all this derailing nonsense about Alexander.

Antway, link or it didn't happen. You've already demonstrated numerous times that we can't take your word for anything.

They didn't taste death before they saw the beginning of the Kingdom with the Resurrection of Christ.

You'll be providing some extra-biblical evidence for this resurrection, will you?

 

[DOC]

A step in the right direction, DOC, But I think you're missing the point, which is that you clearly stated: But that was a false statement DOC. Now you're saying they do exist.

It was not a false statement to me at the time I said it, because that is what I believed at the time. I can't guarantee that I read every post, as I'm sure many people don't read every post in long, often complicated, threads.

Does that not indicate the existence of Alexander?...

It is some evidence, but rather scanty evidence for a man who supposedly conquered much of the world, including the Holy Land.

 

[dafydd]

It was not a false statement to me at the time I said it, because that is what I believed at the time. I can't guarantee that I read every post, as I'm sure many people don't read every post in long, often complicated, threads.

It is some evidence, but rather scanty evidence for a man who supposedly conquered much of the world.

No 'supposedly' about it. Why are there uncircumcised men in Jerusalem? Your infallible bible prophesied the contrary.

 

[ddt]

I asked (and looked myself) but no one has presented what these alleged fragments say about Alexander.

As my mom would say: did you look with your nose?

Ok, So now I have skimmed most of your post.

Ah, only now you've "skimmed" Craig B's posts. So when you claimed before that you looked, you were lying? And still, you only skimmed his posts, not read them carefully.

Are you trying to convert more people?

 

[Akhenaten]

A step in the right direction, DOC, But I think you're missing the point, which is that you clearly stated: But that was a false statement DOC. Now you're saying they do exist.

It was not a false statement to me at the time I said it, because that is what I believed at the time. I can't guarantee that I read every post, as I'm sure many people don't read every post in long, often complicated, threads.

Does that not indicate the existence of Alexander?...

It is some evidence, but rather scanty evidence for a man who supposedly conquered much of the world.

 

[DOC]

Google books has it.
Go there and get it.
Funny thing too is that a search for "angel" doesn't find anything...

Google doesn't present the whole book, right, just a portion of it. How much a portion did you check and what is the URL?

 

[dafydd]

Google doesn't present the whole book, right, just a portion of it. How much a portion did you check and what is the URL?

Off topic. Can we all please get back to the unfulfilled bible prophecies?

 

[joobz]

It was not a false statement to me at the time I said it, because that is what I believed at the time. I can't guarantee that I read every post, as I'm sure many people don't read every post in long, often complicated, threads.

Ignoring posts that clearly respond to your questions and then claiming that people haven't responded to you is a lie.

It is some evidence, but rather scanty evidence for a man who supposedly conquered much of the world.

Now you are making claims of quality of the evidence when you just admitted to not even knowing about it before?


Let's remember, this is concrete contemporary evidence for a person who lived 300 years before Jesus.

 

[Akhenaten]

Off topic. Can we all please get back to the unfulfilled bible prophecies?

I'll get to these as time permits;

<lies>

And yet he somehow finds time to pursue the irrelevant sidebar issues.

 

[dafydd]

And yet he somehow finds time to pursue the irrelevant sidebar issues.

I suggest that we all hold him to the topic. What about the unfulfilled prophecies Doc? Never mind Alexander The Great.

 

[joobz]

Google doesn't present the whole book, right, just a portion of it. How much a portion did you check and what is the URL?

http://books.google.com/books?id=Am...EkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=jefferson bible&f=false


It's the whole book.

The last lines were:

Then took they the body of Jesus and wound it in linen clothes and with the spices, as the Manner of the Jews is to bury.
Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein never man yet laid.
There laid they Jesus: and rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.

That's it. Notice anything strange about that ending?

 

[DOC]

I suggest that we all hold him to the topic. What about the unfulfilled prophecies Doc? Never mind Alexander The Great.

How about these other Alexanders of Macedon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_II_of_Macedon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_I_of_Macedon

 

[dafydd]

How about these other Alexanders of Macedon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_II_of_Macedon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_I_of_Macedon

What about these Doc?

Isaiah 17:1

"An oracle concerning Damascus: See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins."

Damascus is still there.

Isaiah 19:4-5

"I will hand the Egyptians over to the power of a cruel master, and a fierce king will rule over them, declares the Lord, the LORD Almighty. The waters of the river will dry up, and the riverbed will be parched and dry."

The Nile has never dried up



Isaiah 52:1

"Awake, awake, O Zion, clothe yourself with strength. Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, the holy city. The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again."

No willy checks at the airport

Ezekiel 29:10-11


"therefore I am against you and against your streams,and I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush. The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years."

Egypt has never been uninhabited



6 .Matthew 16:28, Matthew 23:36, Matthew 24:34

16:28

"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

23:36

"I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation."

24:34

"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."


2000 years. He's a bit late



Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.

There should be billions of Jewish people.




Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

The Canaanite language has never been spoken in Egypt, and is now extinct.



Care to comment, Doc?

 

[Akhenaten]

I suggest that we all hold him to the topic. What about the unfulfilled prophecies Doc? Never mind Alexander The Great.

How about these other Alexanders of Macedon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_II_of_Macedon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_I_of_Macedon

Are you blind?

 

[RoboTimbo]

from the article "Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the reliability of the Bible: by Dr. Hugh Ross.

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml

DOC, what can you tell me about the unfulfilled Bible prophecies? I believe there is a list of them in this thread.

Ah yes, here's a link for your convenience: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8032880#post8032880


ETA: Well, wasn't that timely? DOC, there seems to be a clamor for answers which you aren't providing.