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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Greer pressing on the brakes is confirmed by the Muchmore film. It illuminates and creates more, no way out of it evidence.:D

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The Muchmore film suggests frames were removed from the Zapruder film - YouTube
 
Greer slips up and admits he accelerated after the third shot which is always the last shot for people in fantasy. He sped off after his second turn and right after he fired the fatal shot.

Mr. SPECTER - Do you recollect whether you accelerated before or at the same time or after the third shot?
Mr. GREER - I couldn't really say. Just as soon as I turned my head back from the second shot, right away I accelerated right then. It was a matter of my reflexes to the accelerator.
Mr. SPECTER - Was it at about that time that you heard the third shot?
Mr. GREER - Yes, sir; just as soon as I turned my head.

This testimony is golden and would convict anyone on trial for murder in a heartbeat. He admits to turning twice here but officially said he turned only once. OOPS!


Mr. SPECTER - Do you have an independent recollection at this moment of having heard three shots at that time?
Mr. GREER - I knew that after I heard the second one, that is when I looked over my shoulder, and I was conscious that there was something wrong, because that is when I saw Governor Connally. And when I turned around again, to the best of my recollection there was another one, right immediately after.

The one you fired, you moronic jackass.:jaw-dropp:D
 
It took almost 47 years to prove Greer was jfk's real assassin. We now know the only important thing he kept secret. He died in 85.

V. Palamara: Notes on Bill Greer
Greer retired in July 1966 after having undergone a stomach operation and Jackie Kennedy sent him a letter thanking him for being with the President until the end.
He said he "saw blood on Connally's shirt" and looked back only "one time", in direct contrast to the Zapruder film. He went on to say that he "didn't really see the President at all".
Said the Zapruder film "was proven legitimate".
Claimed to have not seen anyone on the triple overpass.
Regarding the assassination itself, Greer claimed that "we never stopped...there was no reason to stop...no need to stop." In regard to the direction of the shots, he said that "everyone was hit from the rear...my back was covered with it [debris from head shot]." When told that Connally has always insisted that he was hit with a different bullet than had hit JFK, Greer said "I feel that way, too. They [the Warren Commission] had lawyers working on it...these lawyers had already made up their mind". Greer also believed that the back wound [which he referred to as being in the "back of the shoulder"] did not go through and that that was also the first thought of the autopsy doctors in attendance.
Greer claimed he was "in the OPERATING ROOM at Parkland" [emphasis added] and stated that JFK's clothing "were in my custody from Parkland to Washington."
Greer denied that there was a hole in the limousine's windshield. He said there was only a "star"; a spidering crack.
Greer did not know why the photographers were out of their usual position in front of and close to JFK's limousine that fateful day in Dallas, but did not seem to regard this as suspicious.
Regarding agent Roy Kellerman, Greer said twice that he was "a very fine gentleman." Regarding President Kennedy, Greer said "He and I were pretty close friends. He treated me just wonderful."
Regarding William Manchester and his book "Death of a President", Greer said harshly "He's garbage...didn't like it at all", further commenting on Manchester's criticism concerning his age and reflexes behind the wheel [Greer thought that his experience was an advantage, coming from "years of experience" , and certainly not a disadvantage]. He went on to say that he thought that Jim Bishop's book ("The Day Kennedy Was Shot") was the best book of all regarding the events of November 22, 1963. (However, keep in mind that his comments were made in 1970)
Greer said, somewhat cryptically, "there's alot of things I know that no one else knows." (!)

Finally, Greer said that the Warren Commission closed up shop too soon and that "there might have been a conspiracy in another part of the country." [!!!]
 
Robert Prey said:
This is just so over the top, that I really hate to jump in on something that is so ridiculous on its face and akin Moon Hoax theories, and the 9-11 junk, but there is no video showing any such thing. And there are no witnesses that reported any such thing. Not the Secret Service, Not the Connoleys, not Mrs. Kennedy, not the on street witnesses. But this is the kind of insanity that gives real conspiracy theories a bad name. The Greer theory is complete absolute junk. It belongs on the Garbage Board with the Garbage People.
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A great witness who may be around 70, if he's still with the living. Hugh, puts the gun in Greer's hand that Greer passed in Zapruder. Prey pretended to be a grassy snow job supporter and he's getting his face bashed over and over.:boxedin:

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Address 5922 Velasco, Dallas, Age 22 , Phone No. TA 7-9761
Deposes and says:
I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm andHouston [sic] Streets, this being the southwest corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I was looking down at my camera to see the number of the film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. I thought that this noise was either a firecracker or a car had backfired. I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was sitting back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pull out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is located. By this time almost all of the people had left. There were quite a few people down on the street and crowded around a motorcycle. I was looking around the fence as the rumor had spread that that was where the shot had come from. I started figuring where I was when I had taken the third picture and it seemed to me that the fence row would have been in the picture. I saw a group of men who looked like they might be officers and one of them turned out to be Deputy Sheriff Boone. I told him about the picture I had taken. Deputy Sheriff Boone contacted superiors and was told to bring me over to the Sheriff's Office. Deputy Sheriff Boone took my camera and asked me to wait. I waited in the Sheriff's Office and some time later, an hour or two, he brought my camera back and told me that as soon as they got through with the film and they were dry that they would give me the film. A little later he came in and gave me the negatives and told me that they were interested in a couple of pictures and implied that the negatives was all I was going to get back. To the best of my knowledge, this is all I know about this incident. /s/ Hugh William Betzner, Jr.
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Testimony Of Mrs. Jean Lollis Hill

Jean Hill was confused because there was arguably a shot from the knoll immediately after Greer's shot, thereby creating a red herring and an excuse/alternative for witnesses. Her, not seeing a weapon in the man's hand was a reference to the knoll, but she was looking right at Greer when he shot the President. Never forget, these people saw him do it, but feared for their lives, obviously. But, many snippets leaked out and the three films always prove it anyway.

Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.
Mr. SPECTER - Where was the President's car at the time you thought you heard the fourth shot?
Mrs. HILL - The motorcade came to almost a halt at the time the shots rang out, and I would say it was just approximately, if not---it couldn't have been in the same position, I'm sure it wasn't, but just a very, very short distance from where it had been. It was just almost stunned.
Mr. SPECTER - And how about the time of the fifth shot, where do you think the President's car was?
Mrs. HILL - That was during those shots, I think it wasn't any further than a few feet---further down.
Mr. SPECTER - Which shots, now---you mean the fourth, and perhaps the fifth and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.

Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?
Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."

Mr. SPECTER - Now, did you have a conscious impression of the source of the first shot that you heard, that is, where it came from?
Mrs. HILL - Well, evidently I didn't because the only conscious recollection I have of that---I mean---until all this other came out---I had always thought that they came from the knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you have any conscious impression of where the second shot came from?
Mrs. HILL - No.
Mr. SPECTER - Any conscious impression of where this third shot came from?
Mrs. HILL - Not any different from any of them. I thought it was just people shooting from the knoll---I did think there was more than one person shooting.
Mr. SPECTER - You did think there was more than one person shooting?
Mrs. HILL - Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - What made you think that?
Mrs. HILL - The way the 'gun report sounded and the difference in the way they were fired-the timing.
Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else.
Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from?
Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll?
Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't.
Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots?
Mrs. HILL - That's right.
Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots?
Mrs. HILL - No.
 
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It would be fitting and ironic in such a retarded coverup that the real shooter would provide the proper wound path and debunk the grassy snow job. Greer and Specter did not disappoint. Click the link above and watch Greer's left shoulder rotate to the right when he shoots the wounded President. The nix close-up solved this case in Sept/10. Over the right eye, out the right rear, fired by that goon, Bill Greer.

Mr. Specter.
Did you just mention, Mr. Greer, a hole in the President's head in addition to the large area of the skull which was shot away?
Mr. Greer.
No. I had just seen that, you know, the head was damaged in all this part of it but I believe looking at the X-rays, I looked at the X-rays when they were taken in the autopsy room, and the person who does that type work showed us the trace of it because there would be little specks of lead where the bullet had come from here and it came to the--they showed where it didn't come on through. It came to a sinus cavity or something they said, over the eye.

Mr. Specter.
Indicating the right eye. (Greer pointed over his right eye)
Mr. Greer.
I may be wrong.
Mr. Specter.
You don't know which eye?
Mr. Greer.
I don't know which eye, I may be wrong. But they showed us the trace of it coming through but there were very little small specks on the X-rays that these professionals knew what course that the bullet had taken, the lead.
Mr. Specter.
Would you describe in very general terms what injury you observed as to the President's head during the course of the autopsy?

Mr. Greer.
I would--to the best of my recollection it was in this part of the head right here.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right?
Mr. Greer.
Upper right side.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right side, going toward the rear. And what was the condition of the skull at that point?
Mr. Greer.
The skull was completely--this part was completely gone.

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So. On the upper right side of the head, on the temple stretching back towards the rear of the head a large part of the skull was missing.

Well done, you just proved there was an exit wound exactly where it should be for LHO to have shot JFK from behind.
 
Nobody saw Greer pull out a gun and shoot Kennedy. End of story. Get thee back to the garbage board. Your story is garbage.
 
Nobody saw a gunman on the grassy gnoll, or all the spare kill teams spread over the city.

Does that make your fantasy garbage too?
 
Robert Prey said:
Really strange. Are you on the same planet? Funny, you see and hear only one shot. Really strange. In this obviously edited video, there is not one shot heard but 3 shots.
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You're plain wrong Robert. Either that or obstructively dishonest. The one and only shot that I'm referring to occurs at 1:52/53 followed quickly, by editing, of a real-time replay from the side, followed immediately by a slow-mo also from the side, and slightly rearwards. Can you really not see that it's a single shot shown three times from different angles/speeds? If not, please point out the timings in the video at which Teller re-loads the rifle for the second and third shots. Do we see that happen? Do we hear it happen? Is there time for it to happen? 'No' on all three counts, Robert.

Robert Prey said:
And at the beginning of the demonstration, the head with the red beret is on the left, but at the end, it is on the right.
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Again, plain wrong, Robert. Do you really not realise that at the beginning it's filmed from the front, but on the slow-mo it's filmed from the side, and slightly rearwards, placing the melon with the hat beyond and slightly to the right as viewed from the slow-mo video? I think you do, Robert. I think you're being dishonest because you're actually trolling now, if not before.

Robert Prey said:
I don't know if Penn is an 'honest" magician or another David Blaine, but this video seems just like the stuff David Blaine calls "Magic." But his stuff is not "magic" but Fraud, just like this Penn video. Highly untrustworthy.
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If you actually understood what you're watching I think you'd conclude otherwise, provided you were honest with yourself.

But again, Robert, let's stick with one question: how do you account for the massive ejecta in the P&T experiment mimicing very accurately the ejecta behaviour that was captured on the JFK shooting videos, and which is demonstrative of a shot from the rear? How do you account for that, Robert?
 
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Just watched the Zapruder film again. It's just so obvious that the massive trauma to the front right of the head is an exit wound, and that, with his head tilted down and slightly to the left, the direction of the bullet is from directly behind. If you look very closely you can actually make out the skull opening outwards. It's just so obvious! What's equally obvious (for those who claim it's an entry wound), is that there's absolutely no way the bullet could have come from the direction of the limo driver. It's just so obvious!

Why is this so complicated?!
 
Something else to note: when the exit wound on the front right appears there's actually a noticeable delay before JFK moves backwards. And not only that, it's not the head per se that moves backwards, it's the entire upper body! The head essentially remains still relative to the neck and torso. What does that tell us? Certainly that it wasn't a transfer of energy from a bullet hitting him from the front/side. No. My thoughts are that it's a neuromuscular reaction to the brain trauma, taking a noticeable amount of time to trigger.
 
... and where's the alleged large gaping hole to the back of his head? The back of his head is largely visible from the Zapruder film after the fatal shot. There's clearly no massive trauma there, and absolutely ne evidence of ejecta rearwards when the bullet hits.

Again ... what's so complicated? It's all very straight forward (well, for those who aren't looking for something that's not there!).

:D
 
Southwind17 said:
... and where's the alleged large gaping hole to the back of his head? The back of his head is largely visible from the Zapruder film after the fatal shot. There's clearly no massive trauma there, and absolutely ne evidence of ejecta rearwards when the bullet hits.

Again ... what's so complicated? It's all very straight forward (well, for those who aren't looking for something that's not there!).

:D
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The first shot seems to blow out the melon in the direction of the shooter. But is that a head snap or ejecta? The second shot or scene of what you say is only one shot edited three different ways, is unclear. The third shot is in slo mo, and show an ejecta spray (jet effect) in the direction of the shooter and a large blow-out to the front which is just what we do not see in the Z film nor in any of the autopsy or pre-autopsy photos, nor in any of the descriptions provided by the doctors, and the head slowly drops in the direction of the shooter. No head snap. The three renditions of what you claim is only one shot are not the same. Thus, there is nothing to be concluded from this obviously staged, edited rendition from a magician. What is needed for a valid test, are live human heads, shot from several different directions, with different kinds of bullets, entering the back of the head, the right temple and then other tests involving both simultaneously. Any volunteers?
 
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Robert Prey said:
Nobody saw Greer pull out a gun and shoot Kennedy. End of story. Get thee back to the garbage board. Your story is garbage.
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Everyone saw Greer shoot jfk who watched Zapruder. I just found the other two films that proved beyond any doubt. You have proved that you are fake, nothing more.
 
Tomtomkent said:
So. On the upper right side of the head, on the temple stretching back towards the rear of the head a large part of the skull was missing.

Well done, you just proved there was an exit wound exactly where it should be for LHO to have shot JFK from behind.
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Upper right going toward the rear. Greer put his finger over his eye and moved it along his right temple to the right rear.
 
Southwind17 said:
... and where's the alleged large gaping hole to the back of his head? The back of his head is largely visible from the Zapruder film after the fatal shot. There's clearly no massive trauma there, and absolutely ne evidence of ejecta rearwards when the bullet hits.

Again ... what's so complicated? It's all very straight forward (well, for those who aren't looking for something that's not there!).

:D
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... and where's the alleged large gaping hole to the top right of the head? The back of his head is largely visible from the Zapruder film after the fatal shot. There's clearly massive trauma there, and absolutely evidence of ejecta rearwards when the bullet hits.

Again ... what's so complicated? It's all very straight forward (well, for those who aren't looking for something that's not there!). The back of his head gapes with front impact and detaches.

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The Vatican created the U.S. and also controls it. However, the powers behind the JFK assassination were above even the Vatican. Still, they needed to have the Vatican accept the assassination to avoid messy conflicts within the secret cabal so they ordered JFK to NOT kiss the Pope's ring when he visited the Vatican (as all(?) U.S. Presidents do shortly after having been elected).

JFK meeting the Pope (about 26 minutes into the video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lJqZcgGXS8

By refusing to kiss the Pope's ring the Vatican got so pissed off that they gladly allowed JFK's head to be blown off.
 
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