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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Two conspiracy theorists go to heaven.

They get bored and decide to settle the argument once and for all. So they ask Jahova.
"Hey Joe, who killed JFK" Ask the first.
God tells them Lee Harvey Oswald did it. He offers to show them all the proof they will ever need.
"Oh man!" Whispers the second. "They got God on their side? This conspiracy goes to the very top!"

Baddum tsh.

I hope you all noticed I don't consider "disagreeing with me" grounds for eternal torment...
 
You do realize that merely taking someone else's post and turning it around isn't the most convincing argument in the world, I trust.

Reading your posts makes me feel like I'm deeply imbedded in a Monty Python skit (and I'm obviously paraphrasing):

"I came here for an argument."
"No you didn't."
"Yes I did!"
"No you didn't."
"An argument isn't simply a negation of another's points!"
"Yes it is."
"An argument is a logical and factual assault on the other's points as well as an elaboration of the evidence in your favor, in an attempt to prove you are correct and the other person is wrong in their conclusions!"
"No it's not."

Do you intend to actually discuss the facts of the case, or not?

Hank

As a long time Python fan, it always amazes me how many different situations can benefit from a python sketch.
 
There are three films that prove Greer shot jfk and no video of Oswald. The video wins.


You should run for office. Your skill at dodging straightforward questions rivals that of any politician.

Here's the question you dodged once again:

Numerous witnesses saw a man with a rifle in the Texas School Book Depository during the assassination. True or false?

It's really a simple question. A simple one-word answer is all that is required. Why would you dodge it?

Would you deign to answer it this time?

Thanks,
Hank
 
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Neither. Laceration on the right side, a blow-out in the back and this is very, very old ground.



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Neither? Zapruder failed to mention a blowout in the back of the head, as did Newman and many other witnesses on Elm Street that day.

If Zapruder was neither mistaken nor lying, please explain why he said the large blowout he saw (the only blowout he saw) was on the right side of the head.

Ditto with Newman.

Neither man mentioned a blowout in the back of the head.

Here's what Zapruder saw as he looked through his viewfinder. Please point out the large blowout in the back of the head in this loop:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/bmjfk63/spatteronJackiesface-1.gif

Here's where Zapruder said he saw the large blowout:
http://simfootball.net/JFK/Zapruder.jpg

As he held his hand to his head to explain where he saw the damage as you see in the frame capture above, he said "...then I heard another shot or two, I couldn't say if it was one or two, and I saw his head practically open up," (motions with his hand away from his head to mimic an explosion outward from the right side of the head) "all blood and everything and I kept on shooting [my camera]. That's about all. I'm just sick."

You can see him here, starting about 1:06 into this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpicOfFajNE

Pretty much looks like Zapruder is an accurate witness on this point about where the damage to the head was. Right side of the head, no damage to the back of the head.
"Neither" as an answer doesn't cut it. Because he didn't describe anything that could be interpreted as anything except a large exit wound on the right side of the head.

So was he lying or mistaken, Robert?

Please advise. Thanks a bunch.

Hank
 
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Neither? Zapruder failed to mention a blowout in the back of the head, as did Newman and many other witnesses on Elm Street that day.

If Zapruder was neither mistaken nor lying, please explain why he said the large blowout he saw (the only blowout he saw) was in the right side of the head.

Ditto with Newman.

Neither man mentioned a blowout in the back of the head.

Here's what Zapruder saw as he looked through his viewfinder. Please point out the large blowout in the back of the head in this loop:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/bmjfk63/spatteronJackiesface-1.gif

Here's where Zapruder said he saw the large blowout:
http://simfootball.net/JFK/Zapruder.jpg

Pretty much looks like Zapruder is an accurate witness on this point about where the damage was. Right side of the head, no damage to the back of the head.

Thanks a bunch.

Hank

Mr. Z never said anything about a blow-out anywhere.
 
There are three films that prove Greer shot jfk and no video of Oswald. The video wins.

This is just so over the top, that I really hate to jump in on something that is so ridiculous on its face and akin Moon Hoax theories, and the 9-11 junk, but there is no video showing any such thing. And there are no witnesses that reported any such thing. Not the Secret Service, Not the Connoleys, not Mrs. Kennedy, not the on street witnesses. But this is the kind of insanity that gives real conspiracy theories a bad name. The Greer theory is complete absolute junk. It belongs on the Garbage Board with the Garbage People.
 
This is just so over the top, that I really hate to jump in on something that is so ridiculous on its face and akin Moon Hoax theories, and the 9-11 junk, but there is no video showing any such thing. And there are no witnesses that reported any such thing. Not the Secret Service, Not the Connoleys, not Mrs. Kennedy, not the on street witnesses. But this is the kind of insanity that gives real conspiracy theories a bad name. The Greer theory is complete absolute junk. It belongs on the Garbage Board with the Garbage People.

This is just so over the top, that you really hate to jump in on something that destroys your silliness on its face. And there are witnesses that reported seeing a shot in or around the limo. The driver shot jfk you silly fake, But this is the kind of sleuthing proves conspiracy theories are a cover for the truth about Greer shooting jfk directly in the right forehead with the exit on the right rear. The grassy snow job theory is complete absolute junk. It belongs on the Garbage Board with the Garbage People.
 
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Clint Hill obviously saw Greer shoot jfk like everyone did in the follow up car but gave a nice tidbit about hearing his revolver and saw the gaping hole his shot caused.

Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there.


Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.
 
7forever wrote
This is just so over the top, that you really hate to jump in on something that destroys your silliness on its face. And there are witnesses that reported seeing a shot in or around the limo. The driver shot jfk you silly fake, But this is the kind of sleuthing proves conspiracy theories are a cover for the truth about Greer shooting jfk directly in the right forehead with the exit on the right rear. The grassy snow job theory is complete absolute junk. It belongs on the Garbage Board with the Garbage People.

Robert Wrote
This is just so over the top, that I really hate to jump in on something that is so ridiculous on its face and akin Moon Hoax theories, and the 9-11 junk, but there is no video showing any such thing. And there are no witnesses that reported any such thing. Not the Secret Service, Not the Connoleys, not Mrs. Kennedy, not the on street witnesses. But this is the kind of insanity that gives real conspiracy theories a bad name. The Greer theory is complete absolute junk. It belongs on the Garbage Board with the Garbage People.

Step back guys and leave these two to it, I feel Feb is going to be a bumper month for stundies.
 
This is just so over the top, that I really hate to jump in on something that is so ridiculous on its face and akin Moon Hoax theories, and the 9-11 junk, but there is no video showing any such thing. And there are no witnesses that reported any such thing. Not the Secret Service, Not the Connoleys, not Mrs. Kennedy, not the on street witnesses. But this is the kind of insanity that gives real conspiracy theories a bad name. The Greer theory is complete absolute junk. It belongs on the Garbage Board with the Garbage People.

You gave a debunked conspiracy theory promoted by Hollywood. Hollywood promoted an obvious red herring to divert attention away from Greer and provide an alternative to the absurd conclusions of the WC. You know Greer shot jfk or you certainly do now. There are thousands who know Greer shot Kennedy because of my work and that'll continue. As long as there are people out there like you, who continue to support bs like the grassy snow job, disinfo will reach folks but it doesn't matter as long as the real truth is out there about the driver.
 
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This is just so over the top, that I really hate to jump in on something that is so ridiculous on its face and akin Moon Hoax theories, and the 9-11 junk, but there is no video showing any such thing. And there are no witnesses that reported any such thing. Not the Secret Service, Not the Connoleys, not Mrs. Kennedy, not the on street witnesses. But this is the kind of insanity that gives real conspiracy theories a bad name. The Greer theory is complete absolute junk. It belongs on the Garbage Board with the Garbage People.

Bring it on you weasly little fake. "A shot right there in the car" fired by the driver. YOU ARE PATHETIC.:D

Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
Posner vs Harris

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass)

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline
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Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.
 
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This is just so over the top, that I really hate to jump in on something that is so ridiculous on its face and akin Moon Hoax theories, and the 9-11 junk, but there is no video showing any such thing. And there are no witnesses that reported any such thing. Not the Secret Service, Not the Connoleys, not Mrs. Kennedy, not the on street witnesses. But this is the kind of insanity that gives real conspiracy theories a bad name. The Greer theory is complete absolute junk. It belongs on the Garbage Board with the Garbage People.

C'mon you little faker. I will jab you a hundred times.:D

Posner vs Harris 6
Mr. BALL - Where did they seem to come from?
Mr. SKELTON - Well, I couldn't tell then, they were still to far from where I was.
Mr. BALL - Did the shots sound like they came from where you were standing?
Mr. SKELTON - No, sir; definitely not. It sounded like they were right there - more or less like motorcycle backfire, but I thought that they were these dumb balls that they throw at the cement because I could see the smoke coming up off the cement.
Mr. BALL - You saw smoke come off the cement?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Where did it seem to you that the sound came from, what direction?
Mr. SKELTON - Towards the President's car
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Mr. BALL - From the President's car.
Mr. SKELTON - right around the motorcycles and all that - I couldn't distinguish because it was too far away.
 
Connally said he saw the fatal shot and quickly corrected himself, but his reaction when looking at Greer proves he slipped up. Watch him hit the floor in horror after realizing what happened.

Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.

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This is just so over the top, that I really hate to jump in on something that is so ridiculous on its face and akin Moon Hoax theories, and the 9-11 junk, but there is no video showing any such thing. And there are no witnesses that reported any such thing. Not the Secret Service, Not the Connoleys, not Mrs. Kennedy, not the on street witnesses. But this is the kind of insanity that gives real conspiracy theories a bad name. The Greer theory is complete absolute junk. It belongs on the Garbage Board with the Garbage People.

Robert Prey is a fake handle used to give the illusion of disagreement. This is frame 310 with Hill looking right at Greer, who shot jfk in the right forehead. Read her testimony.

Testimony Of Mrs. Jean Lollis Hill

Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?

Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.

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The logical reason for Connally turning to his left, is because Greer applied the brakes during his second turn to shoot jfk. He must've been thinking...what is this *********** moron slowing down for, after he and jfk had already been hit. He slowed down for accuracy. All the vehicles and cycles behind stop in bewilderment.

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http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/27th_Issue/59_1.html
1) Houston Chronicle Reporter Bo Byers (rode in White House Press Bus)---twice stated that the Presidential Limousine "almost came to a stop, a dead stop"; in fact, he has had nightmares about this. [C-SPAN, 11/20/93, "Journalists Remember The Kennedy Assassination"; see also the 1/94 "Fourth Decade": article by Sheldon Inkol];

2) ABC Reporter Bob Clark (rode in the National Press Pool Car)---Reported on the air that the limousine stopped on Elm Street during the shooting [WFAA/ ABC, 11/22/63];

3) UPI White House Reporter Merriman Smith (rode in the same car as Clark, above)---"The President's car, possibly as much as 150 or 200 yards ahead, seemed to falter briefly" [UPI story, 11/23/63, as reported in "Four Days", UPI, p. 32];

4) DPD motorcycle officer James W. Courson (one of two mid-motorcade motorcycles)--"The limousine came to a stop and Mrs. Kennedy was on the back. I noticed that as I came around the corner at Elm. Then the Secret Service agent [Clint Hill] helped push her back into the car, and the motorcade took off at a high rate of speed." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 129];

5) DPD motorcycle officer Bobby Joe Dale (one of two rear mid-motorcade motorcycles)---"After the shots were fired, the whole motorcade came to a stop. I stood and looked through the plaza, noticed there was commotion, and saw people running around his [JFK's] car. It started to move, then it slowed again; that's when I saw Mrs. Kennedy coming back on the trunk and another guy [Clint Hill] pushing her back into the car." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 134];

6) Clemon Earl Johnson---"You could see it [the limo] speed up and then stop, then speed up, and you could see it stop while they [sic; Clint Hill] threw Mrs. Kennedy back up in the car. Then they just left out of there like a bat of the eye and were just gone." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 80];
 
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