Vote fraud in Maine?

BenBurch said:
6000 in the whole damned STATE? That's it?

Obama is going to take Maine.
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It would be an extreme shock if he didn't. I think Maine might be the only blue state to be at least 5 borders away from the nearest red state!

ETA: And yes, this stink being raised by Paul supporters is over a non-biding straw poll in a decidedly blue state. When the state GOP committee announced Romney as the winner, the press release included this text as well: "This is an unofficial, non-binding poll that simply shows a 'snapshot,' or takes the curent 'pulse,' of which Presidential candidate has the most support at the participating caucuses throughout the state. Some caucuses decided to not participate in the Presidential poll, and will caucus after this announcement. Their results WILL NOT be factored into this announcement after the fact. Again, this is an unofficial, non-binding poll, and we will elect our actual national delegation from the floor of the state convention on May 5 and 6." Linky.
 
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BenBurch said:
6000 in the whole damned STATE? That's it?

Obama is going to take Maine.
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As a matter of fact, the Democratic caucuses had even lower turnout in 2008 than the Republican caucuses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_Democratic_caucuses,_2008

Chaos said:
Then why is "fraud" the only explanation you have ever proposed here - all the while, of course, fanatically denying that you are claiming anything.
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It's not. It could have been incompetence, clerical errors, or, before the Maine GOP chair admitted the official tally was wrong, the WatchTheVote2012.com tally itself could have just been wrong.

Chaos said:
Yes you are.
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Thanks for telling me what I believe.
 
madfoot said:
As a matter of fact, the Democratic caucuses had even lower turnout in 2008 than the Republican caucuses.
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But Obama won the general election in Maine by well over 100,000 votes (57.7% to McCain's 40.38%). It's a blue state.



before the Maine GOP chair admitted the official tally was wrong, the WatchTheVote2012.com tally itself could have just been wrong.
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I'm still not sure what it even means when you say the official tally was wrong. See again the press release I quoted above.

It's a non-binding "beauty contest" straw poll, and the state committee says it only included the counts of caucuses that conducted the straw poll on that day, and that they will not be updating the announcement to include caucuses that conduct their straw polls at a later date. This was part of the press release issued on February 11.
 
Chaos said:
Then why is "fraud" the only explanation you have ever proposed here - all the while, of course, fanatically denying that you are claiming anything.
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Exactly.

If madfoot's not claiming anything, or if he's only claiming that something is inconsistent (either election fraud or a bunch of Paul supporters are wrong), then why hasn't he, for example, challenged Oliver's assertion that the state committee intentionally falsified the vote count? Either Oliver is correct, and there was vote fraud, or Oliver is incorrect and there was not.

I'm not buying that madfoot has been even-handed in this.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
I'm still not sure what it even means when you say the official tally was wrong. See again the press release I quoted above.

It's a non-binding "beauty contest" straw poll, and the state committee says it only included the counts of caucuses that conducted the straw poll on that day, and that they will not be updating the announcement to include caucuses that conduct their straw polls at a later date. This was part of the press release issued on February 11.
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And as they admitted in the press release issued on February 15th, several precints that voted on or before the 11th (including most of Waldo county) weren't counted in the beauty contest.
 
madfoot said:
It's not. It could have been incompetence, clerical errors, or, before the Maine GOP chair admitted the official tally was wrong, the WatchTheVote2012.com tally itself could have just been wrong.
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Then why is the title of this thread not "WatchTheVote Too Dumb To Count Votes?"? Why the monomaniacal focus, without a shred of evidence to support it, on "vote fraud"?

Thanks for telling me what I believe.
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I´m not telling you what you believe, I´m telling you what you are trying to make us believe.
 
Oliver said:
Of course it's fraud. There is no other explanation unless the GOP in Maine is just incredibly *********** stupid.
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So other than other explanations, there's no other explanation?

[ETA: By the way, you don't think that's pretty harsh? There's no space between perfectly error free and "incredibly ******* stupid"?]

It could also be that since it doesn't matter, they just don't care enough to make any corrections.

It could also be that Paul supporters are making a big stink over nothing.

So again, what is your evidence that it's fraud? I don't buy the argument from ignorance.
 
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madfoot said:
I guess it wasn't a press release, but it doesn't matter.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/15/m...us-votes-but-wont-release-updated-vote-count/
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So this is evidence of fraud?

According to Webster, he has been an honest broker, but he will not release the updated vote count ahead a March 10 meeting of the 83-or-so-member state party committee because “people are going to sense a conspiracy and this is going to keep going.”

Webster’s brusque treatment of criticism has rubbed many Paul supporters the wrong way. After announcing the results on Saturday, he proclaimed that Washington County’s votes would not count, infuriating Paul supporters.

But the clerical error in tabulating initial results has been perhaps the most serious charge against his leadership.

“What I tell people is that I’m not going to fire my staff because they make clerical errors,” he said. “My poor staffer is in tears, because people are harassing her.”
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madfoot said:
Thanks for telling me what I believe.
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I'd like to hear you articulate the possibilities other than voter fraud that you have been considering? (You sure haven't said anything about them.)

ETA: And the thread tags include "election fraud charges" but not "conspiracy theory".
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
I'd like to hear you articulate the possibilities other than voter fraud that you have been considering? (You sure haven't said anything about them.)
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You haven't been paying attention.

madfoot said:
It's not. It could have been incompetence, clerical errors, or, before the Maine GOP chair admitted the official tally was wrong, the WatchTheVote2012.com tally itself could have just been wrong.
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JoeTheJuggler said:
ETA: And the thread tags include "election fraud charges" but not "conspiracy theory".
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I didn't write the thread tags.
 
madfoot said:
You haven't been paying attention.
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You're quoting from page 4 of a 4 page thread!

So how come you only talked about the possibility of voter fraud for the first 3 pages?

When Chaos asked you why you hadn't yet proposed any other possibilities, in fact, you hadn't yet proposed any other possibilities.

Sorry, but I don't believe you when you claim that you weren't making a claim of voter fraud, and I don't believe you now when you claim that you've been considering those other possibilities all along.
 
Chaos said:
Then why is the title of this thread not "WatchTheVote Too Dumb To Count Votes?"? Why the monomaniacal focus, without a shred of evidence to support it, on "vote fraud"?

I´m not telling you what you believe, I´m telling you what you are trying to make us believe.
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No, no. You should not believe me that it's fraud. You should review the facts yourself and maybe come back with a more rational explanation.

For now I will just wait till Saturday evening or Sunday morning - after the results are in. Until then ... Kölle alaaf! :rngoofy:
 
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