Vote fraud in Maine?

[JoeTheJuggler]

So? There's 32,856 people living in that county.

You wouldn't consider it evidence of fraud if 113 votes cast could somehow result in 200 votes for Paul and none for Romney?

The population of the county is irrelevant. Most of them didn't vote in the non-binding GOP caucus straw poll. (I'll go out on a limb and hazzard that most of them aren't even Republicans.)

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Seriously, one must be crazy to think that's just fine - or not fraudulent at all whatsoever...

Must one be crazy to ask for evidence of fraud? Just as I asked for evidence of your assertion that the state GOP committee intentionally falsely reported the vote?

If that's crazy, then I am crazy.

What's your evidence?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Not if you count the 20 something places where allegedly nobody voted at all...

Are you now saying that the vote count in other counties affects the vote count in Washington county?

TellyKNeassus was using the state average rate of participation in this GOP straw poll to conclude that 113 votes in Washington County is a likely figure.

It doesn't change Brainster's correct observation that for Paul to re-gain 200 votes from Washington County (where only 113 votes were cast) would be evidence of fraud.

 

[madfoot]

Have you met many local low level politicos? The latter is far more likely than the former.

I never said it wasn't, but ineptness is still suspicious.

Bull.

I didn't "read between the lines". Look at your thread title. Your claim that you're not making a claim is dishonest.

[ETA: Also when did I accuse you of reading between the lines of my posts or saying you're not allowed to do something?]

You're simply JAQing off.

Only the title. Are you going to harrass me for making an eye-catching title?

Solid sources there!

They're better than Google Trends!

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Only the title.

As long as we ignore your OP:

I'm not making any claims, but this looks suspicious.

And Post number 7:

Why should the official numbers be trusted?

And Post 68 (where you claimed you were being even handed, despite the claims you've made that throw suspicion on the official results and not suspicion on claims made by Ron Paul supporters):

One of them have to be inaccurate, since the self-reported results show more votes were casted [sic] than counted in the official tally.

Are you going to harrass [sic] me for making an eye-catching title?

Harass? I'm asking you to substantiate your claim. Your response has been to deny that you're making a claim. That is intellectual dishonesty.

ETA: And "another CT from Ron Paul supporters?" would have been just as "eye-catching", wouldn't it?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Solid sources there!

They're better than Google Trends!

I didn't cite Google Trends.

Funny that this "controversy" in Maine is only being reported in strange little sources.

Is this part of the anti-Paul media conspiracy too? Or maybe it's just that there's really nothing to this story?

 

[madfoot]

Must one be crazy to ask for evidence of fraud? Just as I asked for evidence of your assertion that the state GOP committee intentionally falsely reported the vote?

If that's crazy, then I am crazy.

What's your evidence?

There is no evidence. And no one said there is. Fraud is just one of several possible reasons for what happened in Maine.

I think that's a sensible claim to make.

 

[Peephole]

There are 1.3 million people living in Maine. Around 6,000 out of those 1.3 million participated in this year's Republican caucus. If the same percentage show up in Washington County, that would be around 150 people. I think that it's safe to say that the odds of one candidate beating another candidate by 113 votes out of 150 in a 4-way contest is pretty small.

Yeah, because it's that impossible that Paul convinces 0,006% of the population of that county to come vote for him...

 

[Peephole]

You wouldn't consider it evidence of fraud if 113 votes cast could somehow result in 200 votes for Paul and none for Romney?

The population of the county is irrelevant. Most of them didn't vote in the non-binding GOP caucus straw poll. (I'll go out on a limb and hazzard that most of them aren't even Republicans.)

Wait, you think they've already voted? The 113 figure is from 2008, if I'm not mistaken the country we're talking about votes on february 18.

 

[Chaos]

There is no evidence. And no one said there is. Fraud is just one of several possible reasons for what happened in Maine.

I think that's a sensible claim to make.

So, if Ron Paul fans think their hero got more vote than official numbers suggest, the first explanation that springs to your mind, and which you fanatically defend while at the same time denying that you ever claimed anything, is that it must be fraud?

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Yeah, because it's that impossible that Paul convinces 0,006% of the population of that county to come vote for him...

What percent of the population of the rest of Maine voted for Ron Paul (hint: less than one half of one percent voted for anyone)?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Wait, you think they've already voted? The 113 figure is from 2008, if I'm not mistaken the country [sic] we're talking about votes on february 18.

Ah--you're right, my mistake. The Washington County vote this year is zero. They cancelled due to the threat of snow.

I was misreading Brainster's comment. It would still be strong evidence of fraud if Paul were to gain 200 votes based on Washington County given that their participation can be expected to come to roughly 200 votes in total.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

There is no evidence. And no one said there is. Fraud is just one of several possible reasons for what happened in Maine.

I think that's a sensible claim to make.

You think it's sensible to make claims for which there is no evidence?

That doesn't surprise me a bit!

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Not if you count the 20 something places where allegedly nobody voted at all...
Waldo County mostly missing from official Maine GOP results ...

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WatchTheVote claims that only 22 votes were cast in Waldo County. So is WatchTheVote also part of some conspiracy?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Apparently Ron Paul supporters think Maine is some sort of GOP stronghold!

 

[madfoot]

So, if Ron Paul fans think their hero got more vote than official numbers suggest, the first explanation that springs to your mind, and which you fanatically defend while at the same time denying that you ever claimed anything, is that it must be fraud?

No.

You think it's sensible to make claims for which there is no evidence?

That doesn't surprise me a bit!

I'm not claiming there was fraud.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

I'm a skeptic

Skeptics aren't known for thinking it's reasonable to make a claim for which there is admittedly no evidence.

 

[madfoot]

JoeTheJuggler, I'm curious what your take on the Maine caucus is. You already claimed that there was no controversy in Maine, which goes against what the Maine GOP chair himself said; so what's your explanation for the discrepancy in votes, and what's your evidence for that explanation?

 

[Peephole]

What percent of the population of the rest of Maine voted for Ron Paul (hint: less than one half of one percent voted for anyone)?

I don't understand how people here think that a ridiculously low turnout means it's less likely for turnout to be upped. I think it means there's a lot more potential remaining and with the low vote it would take only very few people to turn the result around.

I didn't cite Google Trends.

Funny that this "controversy" in Maine is only being reported in strange little sources.

Is this part of the anti-Paul media conspiracy too? Or maybe it's just that there's really nothing to this story?

Yeah, "strange little sources" like "CNN".

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Wait, you think they've already voted? The 113 figure is from 2008, if I'm not mistaken the country we're talking about votes on february 18.

You are correct. Romney's lead is 194 votes, not 113 as I stated in an earlier post. This means that Ron Paul would need about a 33 percent larger percentage of the population to vote for him than voted for all candidates combined in the rest of Maine to catch Romney even if Romney didn't get a single vote.