Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[SpitfireIX]

In the case of Keenan, I doubt that he is trying to cheat the defendants of money in a mischievous way. He must have known beforehand that the lawsuit would be discussed a lot among alternative websites (the mainstream websites only if/when the lawsuit becomes a real court case). And he would hardly dare risking be labeled as a con man on the Internet. Not only would he lose credibility among the alternative websites; he would also risk having mainstream media publishing articles about him as a con man. Not good.

 

[Anders Lindman]

I don't get it. You mean that if Keenan can extort money from the defendants it will be so much money that he would have his entire future secured? I don't think so. Even with a billion dollars, he doesn't know the future. Hyperinflation or other things can render his fortune worthless in no time. And even if he would get enough money to last for a lifetime, he would still have to deal with having the social image of a shameful dog. That sounds incredibly stupid to me.

 

[SpitfireIX]

I don't get it. You mean that if Keenan can extort money from the defendants it will be so much money that he would have his entire future secured? I don't think so. Even with a billion dollars, he doesn't know the future. Hyperinflation or other things can render his fortune worthless in no time. And even if he would get enough money to last for a lifetime, he would still have to deal with having the social image of a shameful dog. That sounds incredibly stupid to me.

That's not what I mean at all. First, if the UN settles, he can claim to have won. Second, in such cases the parties generally agree not to disclose the amount or other terms of the settlement, so no one will know how much or how little he got. So how's he going to be labeled a con man?

ETA: Third, even con artists with reputations for being con artists still manage to find victims.

 

[Anders Lindman]

That's not what I mean at all. First, if the UN settles, he can claim to have won. Second, in such cases the parties generally agree not to disclose the amount or other terms of the settlement, so no one will know how much or how little he got. So how's he going to be labeled a con man?

ETA: Third, even con artists with reputations for being con artists still manage to find victims.

But if the UN settles, then it means that Keenan must have accepted the settlement, or? And if so, then it means that Keenan most likely was pulling off a fraud, and he will become socially like a shameful dog. So what kind of pitiful 'victory' is that? Only an insane person would call that a victory.

Secondly, if the lawsuit is settled, then the amount of money Keenan gets from it is irrelevant. He will still remain a shameful dog regardless of the amount. A big loser in the eyes of the world.

 

[JayUtah]

He must have known beforehand that the lawsuit would be discussed a lot among alternative websites...

No, Anders. You aren't that relevant.

And he would hardly dare risking be labeled as a con man on the Internet.

I get called all kinds of nasty things on the Internet, and it doesn't seem to bother me. Don't worry, he'll still be able to find plenty of gullible people to con. Right, Anders?

 

[JayUtah]

I don't get it. You mean that if Keenan can extort money from the defendants it will be so much money that he would have his entire future secured?

No. He means that people who do this sort of thing -- and it's done all the time -- don't get "con man" reputations as a result of it. You're trying to set up some sort of shameful consequence that you imagine would happen if Keenan really did file a frivolous lawsuit, and then say that those consequences are too dire for him to attempt it.

In other words, you're still trying to find some farfetched way in which Keenan is sincere. Amen to your "open-mindedness." You're defending him at all costs, and trying very hard not to seem like you are.

Even with a billion dollars....

Billions? He'd be lucky to get $100,000.

...he would still have to deal with having the social image of a shameful dog. That sounds incredibly stupid to me.

Sounds like a typical conspiracy author to me. You don't seem to care what anyone thinks of you.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Not even a psychopath or a sociopath would risk his or her social status by trying to scam the United Nations and others out of a lot of money. UNLESS, they are protected by a system that in itself is functioning on similar sociopathic principles. I have heard that many leaders of corporations are psychopaths. And many of the old power structures in society are perhaps still working on such principles.

But even then, such stunt would be incredible stupid since the Facebook crowdsourcing crowd spearheaded by David Wilcock in a blazing online crusade for justice will eat him for breakfast!

 

[Complexity]

Not even a psychopath or a sociopath would risk his or her social status by trying to scam the United Nations and others out of a lot of money. UNLESS, they are protected by a system that in itself is functioning on similar sociopathic principles. I have heard that many leaders of corporations are psychopaths. And many of the old power structures in society are perhaps still working on such principles.

But even then, such stunt would be incredible stupid since the Facebook crowdsourcing crowd spearheaded by David Wilcock in a blazing online crusade for justice will eat him for breakfast!

And yet you do this with every post for nothing.

 

[Anders Lindman]

No. He means that people who do this sort of thing -- and it's done all the time -- don't get "con man" reputations as a result of it.

Well, then they don't have David Wilcock and his army of online ethical lightworkers to mess with. Make no mistake about it: Keenan WILL get a con man reputation, if he really is guilty of that, faster than a rabbit gets, well gets spotted. So your logic falls flat here.

 

[Anders Lindman]

And yet you do this with every post for nothing.

I have done some embarrassing mistakes, yes, but if I were to try to pull off a fraud like that I would REALLY be ashamed. Plus it would REALLY be a stupid thing to do.

 

[JayUtah]

Not even a psychopath or a sociopath would risk his or her social status by trying to scam the United Nations and others out of a lot of money.

What part of "This happens all the time in the United States" was unclear, Anders? Your supposition is highly comical up against the cold hard facts that we Americans have to live with.

UNLESS, they are protected by a system that in itself is functioning on similar sociopathic principles.

The U.S. tort system is considerably dysfunctional and in need of reform. But when you try to call it "sociopathic" it sounds so melodramatic.

I have heard that many leaders of corporations are psychopaths.

Start a new thread for that one.

And many of the old power structures in society are perhaps still working on such principles.

Start a new thread for that one.

But even then, such stunt would be incredible stupid...

What part of "This happens all the time" was unclear?

 

[JayUtah]

I have done some embarrassing mistakes, yes...

And are entirely unashamed of them. Hence your moral compass is not true.

...but if I were to try to pull off a fraud like that I would REALLY be ashamed.

You've given no one any reason to trust your moral compass.

Plus it would REALLY be a stupid thing to do.

What part of "This is done all the time in the U.S." was unclear?

 

[Anders Lindman]

What part of "This happens all the time in the United States" was unclear, Anders? Your supposition is highly comical up against the cold hard facts that we Americans have to live with.

What part of sociopathy is unclear to you? Even sociopaths understand the principle of consequences.

 

[Border Reiver]

What part of sociopathy is unclear to you? Even sociopaths understand the principle of consequences.

Yes they do.

Lawsuits are expensive and at an early stage many corporations or governments do a cost benefit analysis.

If you get out of a lawsuit involving potentially high costs for document production and other associated costs can be settled early for a nominal amount then from a fiscal pov it makes sense to do so. Especially if it is unlikely to recover costs or to set a precedent

 

[JayUtah]

What part of sociopathy is unclear to you? Even sociopaths understand the principle of consequences.

You didn't address my point. Trying to make that behavior seem improbable by alarmistically labeling it "sociopathy" doesn't fix the problem that you're trying to suppose away something that is a fact of life for hundreds of millions of people. Try to grope your way toward reality every so often, please.

 

[SpitfireIX]

But if the UN settles, then it means that Keenan must have accepted the settlement, or? And if so, then it means that Keenan most likely was pulling off a fraud, and he will become socially like a shameful dog. So what kind of pitiful 'victory' is that? Only an insane person would call that a victory.

Secondly, if the lawsuit is settled, then the amount of money Keenan gets from it is irrelevant. He will still remain a shameful dog regardless of the amount. A big loser in the eyes of the world.

No. As I said the terms of a settlement are seldom disclosed; this is generally written into the settlement agreement. Who's to say that the UN didn't settle because their lawyers advised them that they were going to lose, and paid far more that the so-called "go-away" money that such meritless lawsuits usually garner?

 

[tsig]

I don't get it. You mean that if Keenan can extort money from the defendants it will be so much money that he would have his entire future secured? I don't think so. Even with a billion dollars, he doesn't know the future. Hyperinflation or other things can render his fortune worthless in no time. And even if he would get enough money to last for a lifetime, he would still have to deal with having the social image of a shameful dog. That sounds incredibly stupid to me.

That doesn't bother some people.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

The New York Summons notification for this action appears to be fraudulent and not enforceable.

It includes as defendants the OITC as a "UN empowered bankers", whereas the directors Dam and Saroeun were arrested on Saturday 18 December, 2010in Cambodia running a small time scam. They have been charged with forgery BEFORE the summons was issued. (What an interesting timing error!)

The "Dragon Family" (Yamaguchi), according to the summons somehow had possession of KMT gold and silver and sold it to America. This is just silly. In 1948 the KMT backed its currency with gold and continued to do so when it moved to Taiwan. The Kuomintang took the entire gold reserve of China to Taiwan in 1949. It was in fact 1,998,000 Metric tons.

This whole scam "feels" like a clumsy Nigerian scam. Enough paperwork is flowing around the internet for a con artist, wearing a suit, to say to naive individuals "If you give me $10,000 to pay for and complete the court case you will share in the billion dollar windfall" . The KMT did make private ownership of gold illegal in the 1940s and my theory is that this is the con's main "push" from real history.

Here is the copy of the summons I found. If you rad it you can start seeing the errors and "odd" legal style.
http://www.slideshare.net/ernestrauthschild/the-dragon-family-lawsuit

 

[Anders Lindman]

No. As I said the terms of a settlement are seldom disclosed; this is generally written into the settlement agreement. Who's to say that the UN didn't settle because their lawyers advised them that they were going to lose, and paid far more that the so-called "go-away" money that such meritless lawsuits usually garner?

So you admit that the lawsuit may be valid after all and the claims in it true?

 

[Anders Lindman]

In 1948 the KMT backed its currency with gold and continued to do so when it moved to Taiwan. The Kuomintang took the entire gold reserve of China to Taiwan in 1949. It was in fact 1,998,000 Metric tons.

"A total of 165,000 tonnes of gold have been mined in human history, as of 2009." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold

According to Wikipedia the amount of gold you mentioned doesn't exist.