Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[Anders Lindman]

Well, when you have let us know... or don't it doesn't really matter.

Us? Are you Borgs or something? lol.

 

[Craig4]

""Monsignors' mutiny" revealed by Vatican leaks

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Call it Conspiracy City. Call it Scandal City. Call it Leak City. These days the holy city has been in the news for anything but holy reasons.

"It is a total mess," said one high-ranking Vatican official who spoke, like all others, on the condition of anonymity.

The Machiavellian maneuvering and machinations that have come to light in the Vatican recently are worthy of a novel about a sinister power struggle at a medieval court." -- Full story: http://news.yahoo.com/monsignors-mutiny-revealed-vatican-leaks-140524856.html

You mean the Vatican is full of shallow, self centered middle level leaders with agendas? Gosh. Yawn. Shocking. Another yawn. Really paints a picture of an organization that secretly runs the world (Anders, I know it's hard for you to grasp but this is sarcasm). Boring. Here's a hot tip: If you're going to spout off about silly little CT's maybe you should pick articles that support your freakish, screwed-up ideas. Just a thought.

 

[Complexity]

No, I was pointing out the need for common sense. Being "open-minded" to the idea that 2+2=5 is just absurd. Being open-minded doesn't mean being open to ALL ideas.

Are you allowed to use that phrase?

I could have sworn you forfeited that right some time ago.

 

[Complexity]

You do know that I often change my mind don't you?

I'll grant you that - you're famous for it.

Unfortunately, you never change it for the better.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Are you allowed to use that phrase?

I could have sworn you forfeited that right some time ago.

I agree that the Dragon Family looks really kooky on the surface, but I read that the lawyer who is working with it did a thorough investigation before signing the lawsuit. Wait a minute, I shall see if I can find the quote...

Here it is:

"Now that he took the leap into this Wonderland of financing as I did, he often pissed me off -- but he made sure that everything was backed by evidence and fact before putting his name on the complaint." -- http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1026-financial-tyranny-final?start=1

 

[TjW]

i.e. the client's check cleared.

 

[Border Reiver]

Or he paid cash - I'd have insisted on cash or money order.

 

[JayUtah]

You do know that I often change my mind don't you? If not, then let me remind you of that. That's a part of not being closed-minded.

You flip-flop endlessly, often in the same post. But that's mostly to avoid being pinioned by a refutation, which is not the same as being inquisitive and careful with the data. Sorry, you don't get to elevate "evasion" to the throne of open-mindedness.

Your knee-jerk reaction was to believe the lawsuit. And your defense of it continues unabated, so there's really no point in trying to claim you're being open-minded about it.

 

[JayUtah]

I agree that the Dragon Family looks really kooky on the surface...

It looks kooky on the surface and gets kookier the more you look at it. That's the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. The theories get kookier as they evade scrutiny; the actual conspiracies converge to a credible revelation.

"Now that he took the leap into this Wonderland of financing as I did, he often pissed me off -- but he made sure that everything was backed by evidence and fact before putting his name on the complaint." --

You realize this is the defendant speaking about his lawyer, and therefore has zero value as corroboration?

Really, you are so very gullible. Here in this lawsuit we have Keenan making astounding claims. Naturally when someone makes an astounding claim, people want to know if anyone besides the claimant has attempted to determine its merit. Rather than presenting independent verification, Keenan simply adds another claim on top of his: that his unknown, obscure lawyer has made a thorough investigation. Do you see how that works? Keenan cannot be his own corroborating witness.

This makes us skeptical for two reasons. First, it is the lawyer's job to represent the client. Here Keenan is representing his lawyer and speaking on his behalf. Second, any lawyer worth his salt won't have his client blabbing to the press here and there about the relative merit of the case.

The big problem is that Keenan seems to place great weight on Milligan (the attorney) having decided to take the case -- there's something ceremoniously formal implied in "attaching his name" to it. But the U.S. has a glut of lawyers. There is no problem finding an attorney willing to prepare and litigate even the most absurd claims as long as you are willing to pay his fee.

When you set that alongside Keenan's evasive assurances to be able to authenticate the bonds (but he hasn't yet for "secrecy" reasons) you have all the makings of a scam. At each point where corroboration and confirmation would need to occur in a credible claim, Keenan gives us a convenient inconvenience for why he can't do it.

 

[Anders Lindman]

You realize this is the defendant speaking about his lawyer, and therefore has zero value as corroboration?

I think it has some value. There has to be some reason for why bother filing such an elaborate lawsuit. And it could be that the defendant is telling the truth in that quote.

 

[JayUtah]

I think it has some value.

It does. It adds weight to the theory that Keenan is running a scam.

There has to be some reason for why bother filing such an elaborate lawsuit.

Yes, and it's a very common reason in the United States: annoy the defendants into settling the suit for a certain sum without comment on the merit of the claim or even testing it. The lawyer and the defendant split the take. This is why so many people in our country are lobbying for tort reform. Nuisance lawsuits are basically just a sem-legal form of extortion.

And it could be that the defendant is telling the truth in that quote.

Highly unlikely, for the reasons already given. You use the highlighted words far more often than is healthy.

 

[SpitfireIX]

That's what many said about Fulford's information when he said that a huge lawsuit would be filed. It seemed absurd. Yet such lawsuit later WAS filed.

No. Huge lawsuits with little or no merit are routinely filed. It is the claims that seemed, and still seem, absurd.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Us? Are you Borgs or something? lol.

Yes. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. And it's "Borg" (singular).

 

[Anders Lindman]

It does. It adds weight to the theory that Keenan is running a scam.

I find it hard to see how such scam would be successful. I mean if the claims in lawsuit are bogus then it's doubtful that the United Nations will give him any money.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Yes. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. And it's "Borg" (singular).

Of course, Borg as in singular hive mind. I forgot.

 

[JayUtah]

I find it hard to see how such scam would be successful.

That's because you don't understand anything about the U.S. court system. You're not open-minded enough to believe us when we tell you how routinely it is misused.

I mean if the claims in lawsuit are bogus then it's doubtful that the United Nations will give him any money.

But they will have to defend themselves against the claim in court in order not to have to pay it. If they do nothing, the court enters a default judgment in favor of the plaintiff, meaning the defendants will have to pay the trillion dollars. So the U.N. will have to pay to mount a defense, even though it's a frivolous case. That costs many tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and takes many years. Therefore many defendants will simply offer to settle the case for a sum of money, even before the evidence is examined, just to settle the matter for the lowest cost. Paying $50,000 to Keenan directly is cheaper than paying their lawyers to defend against the trillion-dollar claim.

I find it very telling that you seem completely closed-minded to the possibility that the real conspiracy here is between Keenan and his lawyer. That's a much easier conspiracy to believe in that a global shadow organization and trillions of dollars of shadow money. That is, this is the kind of conspiracy that occurs every day in America, so why are you fighting it so hard?

 

[Anders Lindman]

... many defendants will simply offer to settle the case for a sum of money, even before the evidence is examined, just to settle the matter for the lowest cost. Paying $50,000 to Keenan directly is cheaper than paying their lawyers to defend against the trillion-dollar claim.

That's pretty evil. How can the legal system allow such misuse? Doesn't that make the court system suck big time?

 

[JayUtah]

That's pretty evil.

Yes. Nuisance lawsuits are a big problem in the United States. In fact, as an engineer, defense against product and service liability lawsuits is the primary demotivator against innovation.

How can the legal system allow such misuse?

Because it was originally set up to allow anyone access to the courts, no matter how limited their means or how lowly their station. It was originally set up to presume that every case had at least some validity, rather than to risk denying justice to the "little man" because his grievance was not sufficiently lofty. These are important considerations in a democracy. It is up to the citizens not to misuse it.

Doesn't that make the court system suck big time?

Yes. Hence the call for more aggressive tort reform in the United States.

 

[Complexity]

No one can be this gullible.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Yes. Nuisance lawsuits are a big problem in the United States. In fact, as an engineer, defense against product and service liability lawsuits is the primary demotivator against innovation.



Because it was originally set up to allow anyone access to the courts, no matter how limited their means or how lowly their station. It was originally set up to presume that every case had at least some validity, rather than to risk denying justice to the "little man" because his grievance was not sufficiently lofty. These are important considerations in a democracy. It is up to the citizens not to misuse it.



Yes. Hence the call for more aggressive tort reform in the United States.

Yes, it's important that everybody can use the legal system.

In the case of Keenan, I doubt that he is trying to cheat the defendants of money in a mischievous way. He must have known beforehand that the lawsuit would be discussed a lot among alternative websites (the mainstream websites only if/when the lawsuit becomes a real court case). And he would hardly dare risking be labeled as a con man on the Internet. Not only would he lose credibility among the alternative websites; he would also risk having mainstream media publishing articles about him as a con man. Not good.