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Oh ME, Oh MY........Hasn't this gotten interesting for me and the other high schoold chemists on board.

So what pray tell Jay exactly were those computations that I had promised?????????????

I have a cadre of over achieving 16 year old chemists standing by ready to dig in with me, slide rules in hand, once you point us in the direction of my relevant claims to compute "exactly what?".

There are two failures the student can make. The more common is to not know the subject well enough to answer the question. The more serious is to not know the subject well enough to understand the question.

Jay's question was clear. I leave the conclusion to be drawn from this as an exercise for the reader.
 
So what pray tell Jay exactly were those computations that I had promised?

Computations proving that PTFE could or could not ignite and sustain combustion under the Apollo 13 conditions. You know, the computations that everyone has been asking you for two weeks to produce, after you said you would.

Don't now try to pretend you don't know what we're talking about. This has been a constant point against you for two weeks.
 
There are some FACTS one simply cannot reject, wish away.....

Such as:

1. You are not an engineer. You are not an expert of any kind. Your opinion is irrelevant.

2. The documents in question have been accepted, studied, and endorsed by the relevant community of experts for decades.

Your only attempt to deal with those overarching uncomfortable facts is to claim that all the qualified experts are indifferent and deluded, and that only you -- out of the entire world's population -- possess the appropriate skills to discover fraud.

If such is the case, I am sure others would be as interested as I am myself in learning what you believe the significance of this all is.

The significance of this is that you are doing the same thing you've done incessantly for eight months: try to set up straw-man requirements for others to follow.

How many more times are you going to try to pawn off your ignorant expectations as the gold standard of authenticity before you realize that no one agrees with them?
 
Why wouldn't NASA use the figures and details of the material supplied by the manufacturer of the material?

That's what everyone else does when they look for a material and put out an invitation to tender for a contract?
 
Oh ME, Oh MY........Hasn't this gotten interesting for me and the other high schoold chemists on board.

So what pray tell Jay exactly were those computations that I had promised?????????????
Really? You want others to do your research again?

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OK, I was going to post this in the other Apollo thread, in reply to one of AL's allegations about the Saturn plans, but that's closed so here goes.

Regarding the plans for the Saturn V (and the other Saturn family vehicles), the detailed technical blueprints are (I believe) on microfilm still at the Marshall Space Center and may be viewed by arrangement with staff there; when I visited the centre many years ago I viewed some of them out of curiousity about, and appreciation for, that magnificent technical achievement. I do not know if they've been digitised subsequently but I've fired off an email to someone who should know.
 
Well of course they published "something" threadworm....

Hmmm - how many posts ago was Patrick complaining that the Apollo 13 investigation just made up some figures for the behaviour of Teflon, now he's posting links to Apollo 13 investigations describing the investigations into the behaviour of Teflon...

Well of course they published "something" threadworm....Even the congress persons that were members of the Apollo 13 Review Committee would know the whole thing was an insane joke if literally nothing was published. OF course they published phony "experiments" to support their phony conclusions about the alleged explosion. The real point is that NOTHING OF GENUINE MERIT WAS PUBLISHED, no meaningful experimental details were published along with the committee's claims with regard to experiments that any reasonably qualified investigator would consider germane, critically relevant to the official explosion scenario endorsed by the Cortright Committee.

I'll give a great example here of one particular deficiency in the Cortright Report. In a later post, I will cover this "experimental point" and perhaps a few others in detail. For now, a relatively brief discussion of this particular point, the glaring deficiencies of the Cortright Committee in its answering the question "how much Teflon was available for combustion at the time of the alleged explosion" will more than demonstrate what I mean when I write, WITH REGARD TO EXPERIMENTAL DETAILS/SPECIFICS, NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING OF GENUINE RELEVANCE WAS PUBLISHED BY THE CORTRIGHT COMMITTEE INVESTIGATORS.

The amount of Teflon insulation covering wires available for combustion was claimed by Cortright Committee investigators to have been 0.13 lbs. This Teflon available for combustion within Apollo 13 O2 tank two was said by committee scientists to pack a potential enthalpy of combustion on the order of 260 BTU. The problem with this elegantly fraudulent claim is that no experimental evidence was presented showing us why it was specifically 0.13 pounds of Teflon that was available for combustion.

As best one can tell, this amount of Teflon, 0.13 pounds, is what the committee investigators claimed was the total amount of Teflon present as wire insulation to begin with. The amount present in the tank and insulating by way of covering the tank's wires BEFORE the tank was ever heated. (This Teflon quantity of course differs from the total amount of Teflon in the tank which was claimed to have been 1.1 pounds worth. Presumably there was 0.97 pounds of Teflon used in the construction of the tank that was NOT wire covering Teflon, was not wire insulation, and as such, was not considered by investigators as being available for combustion in the context of the alleged explosion.)

Now, the tank was allegedly heated to 1000 degrees. Might not some of the wire covering Teflon "burned off" during that process? If some Teflon burned when a 15 joule spark was applied, why wouldn't some burn when all the more "activation energy" was applied, albeit under circumstances where there was less oxygen? Surely this needed to be considered in the very greatest of detail. What one is dealing with here is the amout of fuel/energy available to blow the tank. The importance of making this empiric determination called for the most elegant and thoughtful of experiments so that the appropriate measurement, the determination of the amount of Teflon available to burn, could be made and made very accurately.

Lovell said in his book(Apollo 13 page 350)that "MOST" of the Teflon burned off the wires when the O2 was heated up and floated off. That would mean, according to Commander Lovell anyway, there was considerably less Teflon available for combustion than the Cortright Commission claimed there was. IF they started with 0.13 lbs and "MOST!" of it burned away according to Commander Lovell, then there was less than 0.13 pounds of Teflon available at the time of the alleged spark. How much was available? This is what one wants desperately to know, and not only know, but know why it happened to be the case that such and such an amount of Teflon was available to burn at the time of the spark.

Regardless of what Lovell said/thought or pretended to say/think and then go on to clearly articulate("MOST" of the Teflon covering the wires) in his bogus book(Apollo 13 page 350), it is incumbent upon the Apollo 13 Explosion Investigators to show us how it was that THEY THEY THEY, not Commander Lovell, but THEY THEY THEY, THE INVESTIGATORS, came to the conclusion that 0.13 lbs of Teflon was available for combustion. Lovell's claim contradicts this, fine and dandy. But the commander's point of view per se is irrelevant in that it should not matter necessarily what he thinks. One wants the right answer to this important question, not the commander's unsupported opinion.

If Lovell makes the claim that "MOST" of the Teflon burned off, he is not to simply be taken at his word. He must provide experimental evidence/details regarding this claim, and as one sees and as a matter of fact, the Cortright Committee Investigators claimed something else altogether. That is, the fact of the matter as regards the amount of Teflon insulation that was available for combustion differs in the case of Commander Lovell's view as published in Apollo 13 (page 350) vs the view presented in the Apollo 13 Investigation Report. This difference is not in and of itself important other than its emphasizing that this quantity is not something simply "known", but is something that must be experimentally determined. And of all the quantities the Cortright Committee is charged with determining, THIS THIS THIS is the most important one. How much explosive was available?

The alleged temperature in the tank was 1000 degrees by the time the baking off of all the O2 was said and done. If 15 joules of juice allegedly started some of the Teflon a burning in the context of initiating the "explosion", why did or didn't applying so much energy to the tank that it heated up to a THOUSAND DEGREES burn off some of the Teflon as well? Why did the committee investigators report 0.13 pounds of Teflon was available for combustion? What experiments did they do to arrive at this, the most critical of all measurements that they were charged with making? How was it that some of the Teflon did not burn off when the O2 was heated and removed? 15 joules burned some. They applied a lot more than that when the tank heated up to 1000 degrees, albeit in the presence of ever diminishing quantities of oxygen. But on the other hand, the oxygen and the Teflon were hotter, more energetic and therefore more likely to react in that sense, more likely to reach their combustion activation energy.

The Cortright Committee Investigators responsible for the study of the alleged explosion's chemistry did no experiments, NONE that they published relevant details with regard to anyway. As such, one rightly concludes the Cortright Committee Report to be fraudulent as it is not science. It features vacuous, bogus, wholly unsubstantiated, claims.......

Both the report and the Apollo 13 Mission itself are fraudulent......
 
I found this little nugget hidden inside one of Patrick's grandiloquent walls o' text - the recent pointless regurgitation of high school chemistry:
A BRIEF COMMENT ABOUT TEFLON


Teflon was chosen as a wiring insulator presumably because of its high activation energy. The wires in O2 tank numbers one and two were not covered with polyester, or wood, or just any old thing. The wire insulator was carefully selected. Teflon was chosen specifically because it tends NOT to burn. Its activation energy for combustion to occur is presumably sky high. One does not run a current through a wire covered with a chemical that has a tendency to ignite, through a wire covered with a chemical having a low activation energy with respect to its combustion. Indeed, one would choose a material with a very high activation energy. This is why Teflon was chosen as an insulator to begin with.

Patrick, of course, has absolutely no real idea why Teflon was chosen as an electrical insulator in that assembly. He presumes it was for fireproofing. Because plainly Patrick thinks that's the only consideration when you choose an insulator. Maybe they should just have wrapped everything in asbestos.

I wonder if it ever occurred to him to look beyond high school chemistry websites where he's trying to find data on how PTFE burns, and to consider instead what PTFE insulation's electrical, mechanical and chemical characteristics are, and how it compares to alternative materials.

It appears not. He shows no sign of having considered that it might have had some particular characteristics which indicated it was the best choice for insulation in those particular conditions. And there's absolutely no sign of his considering there might be some counterindications too; undesirable characteristics which meant that this was a compromise choice.

No, Patrick is entirely fixated on teaching us high school chemistry at tedious length, in the hope we'll forget he never managed to hand in his homework.
 
OK, I was going to post this in the other Apollo thread, in reply to one of AL's allegations about the Saturn plans, but that's closed so here goes.

Regarding the plans for the Saturn V (and the other Saturn family vehicles), the detailed technical blueprints are (I believe) on microfilm still at the Marshall Space Center and may be viewed by arrangement with staff there; when I visited the centre many years ago I viewed some of them out of curiousity about, and appreciation for, that magnificent technical achievement. I do not know if they've been digitised subsequently but I've fired off an email to someone who should know.


Not possible... Anders says those are secret NRO property.

Besides... you're a furriner, you wouldn't be allowed.

:p
 
FYI

The Apollo Fraud Perpetrators do not feign explosions in cislunar space for the simple minded sake of Three Stooges-esque back slapping yuks. The American manned space program sought and seeks to do things like map the earth's gravitational field to an insane degree of accuracy so that ICBMs might be targeted with the greatest degree of precision, plant equipment in space and on the moon for the purpose of earth surveillance and reconnaissance, develop weapons systems like hypersonic/supra-atmospheric strategic(nuclear) bombers such as the Dyna-Soar/Space Shuttle, develop spy platforms such as the American MOL and Soviet Almaz.

In my work toward fully elucidating the nature of Apollo fraud, I am more than entitled to post on multiple subjects. If your side, the side of Apollo Program Apologists wishes to focus on a single subject at a time, by all means, please do. Certainly, that is your prerogative. However, be advised, I will not limit my posts in such a fashion. I will post freely on multiple aspects of multiple "missions" manned and unmanned, and will comment/post on the subjects of method/mode, intent/ambition of perpetration, not to mention post with reference to my identification of fraud principals/perpetrators.

At this stage of my investigation, especially in light of the recent revelation with regard to the shoddy science, indeed non-science, of the Apollo 13 Investigation, Apollo's Fraudulence in a general sense is not open to question. It is quite simply a quite simple fact. That said, much remains to be explored, and speaking for myself, I will explore freely and will not hesitate to report new findings on this thread when/as I view it appropriate.

Apollo as history, as fraud is complex, and to expect its presentation in a forum such as this as something other than straight forward, as something other than linear, is unrealistic.

Think of it this way. With each revelation of mine, those reading this thread witness first hand the writing of Apollo's long occult authentic history.

Fasten your seat belts.........
 
The American manned space program sought and seeks to do things like map the earth's gravitational field to an insane degree of accuracy so that ICBMs might be targeted with the greatest degree of precision


Because the one thing you need with a warhead that kills everybody in a 65 square mile area is an insane degree of accuracy.
 
Both the report and the Apollo 13 Mission itself are fraudulent......

Why are you telling this to us? We've told you literally hundreds of times that no one here agrees with you, so why are you not confronting Lovell about this?

What is preventing you from accepting Jay's offer of putting you in direct contact with all these "liars", so you can tell them what liars they are??

How brave are you?....demonstrate that bravery by answering these questions.
 
Nothing could be further from the truth......

I see a properly presented forensic engineering analysis, including the experimental portions. Straw man -- rejected.



You are not qualified to determine whether this is an appropriate expression of forensic engineering. The experts disagree with you -- and contrary to what you claim, they are experts.



Ignorance is not a sufficient basis from which to make a credible charge. Further, you have fled from all opportunity to present your findings to the appropriate authority in person. Someone who cowers in anonymity cannot credibly accuse others of evasion. NASA's claims are as written, and those are accepted by the relevant scientific and engineering community. Your layman's opinion is irrelevant.



This doesn't even make sense.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Experts don’t “agree” on this NASA nonsense. Not in the sense that NASA’s bogus fairy tale was/is vetted by competent professionals outside of the agency and found to indeed be true.

The issue with the Teflon chemistry business and the pretended Apollo 13 explosion is a great case in point, and is a case no different in this regard from that of Apollo 8 and the “astronauts’ “ nonsensical grade school level feigned illness in space.

In the latter case, the Apollo 8 case, NASA’s chief physician and evaluating clinician, Dr. Charles Berry, claimed “astronauts” Borman, Lovell and Anders could not have had influenza in cislunar space because they had received Hong Kong Flu vaccines. This complete jive was repeated in real-time reports ad nauseam in newspaper articles, not to mention respected publications like National Geographic. In the May 1969 National Geographic, none other than Lt. General Sam Phillips USAF himself wrote that publication’s cock and bull account of Apollo 8’s pretended first journey outside the earth’s gravitational reach. Even in that account, National Geographic’s report, one finds this idiotic BULL emphasizing how it was known with certainty that the “astronauts” did not have influenza because they had been vaccinated.

So let’s not get confused here. Every first year, wet behind the ears new grad, first day on the job medical intern knows that influenza vaccines are NOT 100 % efficacious, not even close. And if a patient is sick in such a way sign and symptom wise that an influenza diagnosis fits, the diagnosis needs to be seriously considered regardless of vaccination status or the doc may have a DEAD patient on his/her hands. As a matter of fact, roughly a million people died as consequence of the Hong Kong Flu pandemic of 1968/1969, not to mention millions and millions more becoming very very very sick and ultimately recovering.


So just because a NASA “expert” makes a claim that something is true, does not make it so. Just ask any reasonably attentive intern the influenza question.

The problem with this ridiculous and ridiculously powerful type of PR is that it’s quite literally impossible to counter. Even if a thoughtful physician, and one two or three may have done this, came across the National Geographic article by Phillips, or read one of the Berry quotes in the NY Times, and went on to write to National Geographic, a newspaper, Berry, Phillips, or NASA generally, and pointed out quite appropriately/correctly that vaccination does not guarantee influenza immunity, nothing would and perhaps nothing in fact did never did despite a letter or two, come of that sort of thing. In the first place, the doc would simply be pointing out a basic error with respect to the judgment of these people about the contagiousness of influenza with respect to post vaccination status. They would not be broadly challenging the authenticity of Apollo. National Geographic is not going to post a retraction and say Sam Phillips was wrong, nor is the NY Times. These patently ridiculous, flat out inane tales are perpetuated courtesy of the community’s blind respect for NASA’s/American Governmental Science authority.

Vaccines for influenza don’t guarantee immunity. But when such erroneous statements are written in highly respected publications by bogus “authorities” like Lt. General Sam Phillips USAF, as wrong as they may be, because of the context of their presentation, their being a feature of this great story about man’s great achievement circumnavigating the earth/moon loop, there is essentially no chance the reality of the bogusness with respect to all this JIVE is gonna’ find some breathing room and surface in the public conscious.

Ditto for the idiotic and ever so nonsensical claim made by the Apollo 13 Investigators, the claim that there was 0.13 pounds of Teflon available for combustion at the time of the 10-20 joule explosion initiating spark. This 0.13 lb quantity was not a measurement derived at by way of careful experimentation. There are no details/specifics of said experiment provided by the investigation committee. There is no documentation of this experiment such that it might be repeated as it certainly should have been by investigators wholly unconnected to the agency. There is no publication of this material, the method of determining the quantity of Teflon available for combustion in NASA’s own publications let alone a peer reviewed journal.

Experts do not agree on this nonsense as experts have never reviewed it. Indeed, it does not even exist for review.

Unfortunately, people, even professional engineers see a 273 page report/congressional review on the Apollo 13 Problem and have no reason to question the authority of the presumed to be honest authors of the scientific materials supporting the report’s claims and so these scientific materials are never studied seriously as they should be, and so never challenged. But this is not to say the materials are reflective of serious scientific work. Claiming that there was 0.13 pounds of Teflon available to combust and ultimately blow oxygen tank 2 is not a legitimate claim because it is wholly unsupported by ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

Jay confuses the fact that NASA’s nonsense is only rarely subjected to serious and appropriate challenge with said nonsense being therefore true. Nonsense can only be nonsense no matter how well one tells fairy tales in an effort to spin said nonsense into the illusion of some pathetic megalomaniacal "reality". Because NASA abuses its authority in such a way that its BULL is effectively passed as something more substantive than gas does not mean their BULL is true. BULL is BULL. NASA was and remains very capable at covering up their lies, passing their jive off as reality, ripping us all off because they are so well funded and have the support of the American government and military at the highest levels.

But because that is the case does not also make it the case that receiving a vaccine for influenza guarantees immunity to the Hong Kong Flu. It does not mean that 0.13 pounds of Teflon soaking in a tank of O2 and baked in an oven at 1000 degrees leaves 0.13 pounds of Teflon remaining after the cooking is done. None of this stuff is true at all. The only thing that is true about any of this BULL is that NASA claims it is not bull, and unfortunately given, their authority and the respect for “science“ in our community, these rip off artists have gotten away with it for a long time.

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Because the one thing you need with a warhead that kills everybody in a 65 square mile area is an insane degree of accuracy.

Well, to be honest, the only thing Patrick has gotten right is that the accuracy would be required for counter-force targeting (a/k/a "silo-busting").

Patrick, please don't confuse this with my agreeing with you in any way, shape, or form that Apollo was a hoax. It wasn't. BTW, how's the PTFE homework coming? And have you supplied Jay with your contact info?
 
Note: Patrick is avoiding the questions put to him (again). I would suggest you not let him change the subject. Demand full answers
 
Correction......

The Apollo Fraud Perpetrators do not feign explosions in cislunar space for the simple minded sake of Three Stooges-esque back slapping yuks. The American manned space program sought and seeks to do things like map the earth's gravitational field to an insane degree of accuracy so that ICBMs might be targeted with the greatest degree of precision, plant equipment in space and on the moon for the purpose of earth surveillance and reconnaissance, develop weapons systems like hypersonic/supra-atmospheric strategic(nuclear) bombers such as the Dyna-Soar/Space Shuttle, develop spy platforms such as the American MOL and Soviet Almaz.

In my work toward fully elucidating the nature of Apollo fraud, I am more than entitled to post on multiple subjects. If your side, the side of Apollo Program Apologists wishes to focus on a single subject at a time, by all means, please do. Certainly, that is your prerogative. However, be advised, I will not limit my posts in such a fashion. I will post freely on multiple aspects of multiple "missions" manned and unmanned, and will comment/post on the subjects of method/mode, intent/ambition of perpetration, not to mention post with reference to my identification of fraud principals/perpetrators.

At this stage of my investigation, especially in light of the recent revelation with regard to the shoddy science, indeed non-science, of the Apollo 13 Investigation, Apollo's Fraudulence in a general sense is not open to question. It is quite simply a quite simple fact. That said, much remains to be explored, and speaking for myself, I will explore freely and will not hesitate to report new findings on this thread when/as I view it appropriate.

Apollo as history, as fraud is complex, and to expect its presentation in a forum such as this as something other than straight forward, as something other than linear, is unrealistic.

Think of it this way. With each revelation of mine, those reading this thread witness first hand the writing of Apollo's long occult authentic history.

Fasten your seat belts.........

The sentence from my post above;


"Apollo as history, as fraud is complex, and to expect its presentation in a forum such as this as something other than straight forward, as something other than linear, is unrealistic."

should read;


Apollo as history, as fraud, is complex, and to expect its presentation in a forum such as this as something straight forward, as something linear, is unrealistic.
 
Oh ME, Oh MY........Hasn't this gotten interesting for me and the other high schoold chemists on board.

So what pray tell Jay exactly were those computations that I had promised?????????????

I have a cadre of over achieving 16 year old chemists standing by ready to dig in with me, slide rules in hand, once you point us in the direction of my relevant claims to compute "exactly what?".

First of all, chemists no longer use slide rules.
Secondly, teflon is a carbo-fluor polymer. Any carbon compound is capable of reacting with oxygen. Pure oxygen significantly lowers the activation energy needed and combined with even a small spark can ignite pretty much anything at even low temperatures (any high school chemist knows this, if only by having seen the effect of low pressure pure oxygen on a small candle).
A small look at the properties of teflon shows a lot of instabilty even at low temperatures, so your entire line of reasoning seems extremely badly researched, if you didn't even bother to look at wikipedia.
Maybe you should also look at the properties of one of the reaction products produced by burning teflon (Hint, its not the CO2) and its properties.

Finally, in your long post you were commenting on how wood keeps burning once lit. To me this shows that you've never even burned wood properly nor actually OBSERVED the process with any rigor. Take a piece of wood, light the side so it just burns and put it aside somewhere. I suspect you'll find it goes out again.
If you cannot even clearly describe the physical, observable processes of burning wood, why would anyone take your analysis of the highly complex reaction of teflon reacting with pure oxygen under apollo 13 conditions seriousy?
 
The Cortright Committee Investigators responsible for the study of the alleged explosion's chemistry did no experiments, NONE that they published relevant details with regard to anyway. As such, one rightly concludes the Cortright Committee Report to be fraudulent as it is not science.

Asked and answered. You are not qualified to make this determination.

I will facilitate a meeting between you and whatever NASA insiders I'm able to engage, when you send me your contact information.
 
Nothing could be further from the truth. Experts don’t “agree” on this NASA nonsense.

Name three recognized experts who disagree.

In the latter case, the Apollo 8 case, NASA’s chief physician and evaluating clinician, Dr. Charles Berry, claimed...

Changing horses. You raise a question regarding forensic engineering, and when asked to substantiate it you jump over to the medical question and try to impose guilt by association.

Ditto for the idiotic and ever so nonsensical claim made by the Apollo 13 Investigators...

No. Forensic engineering is not like epidemiology.

This 0.13 lb quantity was not a measurement derived at by way of careful experimentation. There are no details/specifics of said experiment provided by the investigation committee.

You are attempting to impose the requirement that values used in forensic engineering must be arrived at through some specific process by the investigators themselves. Since you have no training and no experience in this field, and are not recognized in any way for your ability to perform or evaluate forensic engineering, your layman's expectations are irrelevant. You have no basis from which to criticize this work.

Experts do not agree on this nonsense as experts have never reviewed it.

The Apollo 1 and Apollo 13 accident reports and their supporting documents are required reading for all who wish to be qualified as forensic engineers, a licensed profession. They are also required reading for aerospace engineers, regardless of whether they wish to practice forensically.

I am a professional engineer. I am qualified in forensic engineering. I have read the report you name and, in my expert professional opinion, it is properly written and reaches defensible conclusions by means of accepted practices and methods.

Indeed, it does not even exist for review.

Straw man. The expectation of its existence is based on your layman's opinion.

Unfortunately, people, even professional engineers see a 273 page report/congressional review on the Apollo 13 Problem and have no reason to question the authority of the presumed to be honest authors of the scientific materials supporting the report’s claims and so these scientific materials are never studied seriously as they should be, and so never challenged.

No, this is simply a rehash of your attempt to claim that the experts are not experts. You have admitted you are not an engineer. You have admitted that you lack the engineering credentials, qualifications, and expertise to question the validity of the Apollo record. These are your words -- not mine.

You have absolutely no basis to judge whether these documents have been properly reviewed and are generally known in the field. None whatsoever.

Jay confuses the fact that NASA’s nonsense is only rarely subjected to serious and appropriate challenge...

Do not put words in my mouth. Address the arguments I make, not the arguments you try to pin on me.

You promised us relevant computations. You have had more than two weeks to deliver. Put another way, you have had more than two weeks to show us by example just how rigorous analysis ought to be done in a forensic engineering context. All we've had is a series of walls-of-text evasions that basically restate the problem and try to heap scorn on NASA, plus an increase in your sock-puppet activity on other forums.

Put up or shut up.

NASA was and remains very capable at covering up their lies, passing their jive off as reality, ripping us all off...

I will place you in personal contact with any number of NASA engineers, as soon as I have your contact information. Yelling insults from the shadows through your multiple secret identities is pointless.
 
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