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A first-hand account of tonight's demonstration in Athens

El Greco

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So we boarded the subway and headed towards the Syntagma Square. That particular station was closed, so we had to get out at the next station and walk to Syntagma. As soon as we got out at the Monastiraki station, the smell of tear gas was everywhere. Although it was still 19:00, we saw a lot of people coming from the direction of Syntagma. Monastiraki square was full.

We started walking in the opposite direction from the people coming down. Everywhere there are people with masks (some very advanced ones, too), bottles of water and antacid suspension all over their faces. The crowd is really representative of all Greeks: You can see 15 year-old girls together with 80 year old granpas who walk with great difficulty. Many famous (and rich) Athenians have said they will be there (I saw a famous model myself). Everybody is present.

200-300 meters before the square, we find ourselves in the middle of a conflict between 100-200 hooded guys and the police. There is a roadblock on fire on the street. The hooded guys throw stones and everything else they can get their hands on to the police. The police throw them back. Suddenly, a tear-gas grenade explodes 10 meters from us. We have no masks, no protection for the eyes. We feel a terrible burn and we start running towards the square. BTW, if by a terrible mistake on your part you ever find yourself in the middle of such a confrontation, do not be a fool and run towards the police. You will be risking your life. You have to run towards the guys who throw stones, they will not hurt any civilian.

When we arrive at the Syntagma Square, people who were driven away by the tear gas have started gathering again. As we approach the parliament, there are so many people that it is diffcult to walk among them. Finally we reach the "frontline", were people are standing face to face opposite the police. Many talk to them, and some of them try to respond. The theme is mostly the same: They call them traitors and they urge them to choose on whose side they are going to be. They remind them that they have taken an oath to protect the constitution, and right now the constitution is being breached.

It is a very interesting thing to see: Young girls, some even very smartly dressed, opposing the SWAT unit men. 80-year olds with Maalox on their face. Houswives swaying assorted kitchenware. Three girls have big drums and make a lot of noise. There is smoke everywhere, and you can hear explosions and sirens of ambulances trying to find their way through the many roadblocks on fire.

Suddenly they throw tear gasses again. Without any provocation, they just want to keep the front of the parliament as uncrowded as possible. There were many older demonstrators earlier, but now most of them have left; they can't stand the tear gas and being chased by the police.

We go for a walk in the nearby streets. There are battles between demonstrators and the police everywhere. A few blocks down, a building is burning. Many stores (especially banks) are being destroyed. Everywhere there are guys smashing things trying to find something to throw to the police.

Unlike other times, the loud slogans are few. Now it's more like a disorganized uproar. I hear many conversations. Some talk about bringing their hunting guns. Others suggest that the demonstrations should become decentralized and people should focus on the houses and the properties of the parliament members. There is one guy who is holding a banner with alleged names and addresses of SWAT team policemen. Someone else is talking about driving a tanker full of propane in the parliament.

The demonstrators may disagree with each other on almost everything, but all of them agree on one thing: The decisions that the parliament is about to make tonight, are extremely important for the future of the country and as such, should only be made after general elections or a referendum. Right now we have a prime minister and a government that they were not elected by the Greek people. Everyone agrees that right now there is a dictatorship in Greece. Many say that those who will vote for the austerity plan tonight should be lynched.

This was nothing like what I've experienced before. I am sure that the lives of many politicians will be in danger during the next months.
 
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Sounds like a bunch of spoiled ass children to me. The EU should just kick them out of the Eurozone and let them sort out their own problems.
 
Sounds like a bunch of spoiled ass children to me. The EU should just kick them out of the Eurozone and let them sort out their own problems.

I'm actually doing you a favor by replying to such an idiotic comment, but this is exactly what most Greeks want now. They just can't have it. Nobody asks them.
 
Destroying property is going to help their economy... :rolleyes:

The thing is that there are many many many people who have nothing anymore, so they don't care at all about the economy. No job, no money, no house, no insurance. Nothing. There isn't much you can take away from them. And the majority of Greeks believe that the country is under a dictatorship.
 
Sounds like a bunch of spoiled ass children to me.

It actualy makes a degree of tactical sense. Remeber the eurozone wants the bailout to happen. Greece basicaly needs the bailout to happen. By protesting greeks marginaly strenthen their politician's hand in negotiations since they can argue that too harsh a deal will make them cease to exist and then who would the eurozone negotiate with?

The EU should just kick them out of the Eurozone and let them sort out their own problems.

That would cost certain banks a fair bit of money which would be inconvient. It would also cost italy and portugal a fair chunk of money which would be expensive.
 
I'm actually doing you a favor by replying to such an idiotic comment, but this is exactly what most Greeks want now. They just can't have it. Nobody asks them.

Oh, then I guess they are dumber than I thought. I guess they are lucky that people in charge are willing to make unpopular decisions.
 
I'm actually doing you a favor by replying to such an idiotic comment, but this is exactly what most Greeks want now.

Questionable. The further cuts in goverment spending that would be required if greece were to default are unlikely to be considered desirable.
 
Stay safe dude.

I think you are right wanting a mandate over this, but would a party willing to tell the truth be electable?
 
Oh, then I guess they are dumber than I thought.

Questionable. A greek default would have the advantage that it got everything settled in one go. The Troika's approach on the other hand will continue to ratchet up the pressure over a number of years and greece will still have a significant debt load at the end of the period.

I guess they are lucky that people in charge are willing to make unpopular decisions.

The IMF have never had a problem making unpopular decisisions. The effectiveness of their decissions is open to question mind.
 
Sounds like a bunch of spoiled ass children to me.
Also not the sharpest tools in the shed. But this is typical of such mobs. I hope every one of them got a billy club to the head. Might stimulate some brain activity. Oh no wait that would require a whack elsewhere..
 
Indeed.



So they decide to take it on the city and other people's property?

Why not? If you have nothing to gain from the system there is no cost in damaging it.


And what is the name of this dictator?

Well like if you studdy the classic a one man dictatorship is one of a number of options. In this case we have a triumvirate Which is functionaly Angela merkel, Mario Draghi and Christine Lagarde.
 

For one thing it's against the law, and it doesn't help.

Well like if you studdy the classic a one man dictatorship is one of a number of options. In this case we have a triumvirate Which is functionaly Angela merkel, Mario Draghi and Christine Lagarde.

Not bad for a dictatorship. I could think of a worse deal.
 
So they decide to take it on the city and other people's property?



And what is the name of this dictator?


I repeat: The current government and the current Prime Minister were not elected (as a matter of fact, the current PM is the exact same person who was cooking the false statistics when Simitis was a Prime Minister). Destroying other people's property is idiotic, but those who do this are very few. The vast majority have taken no actions of violence so far. And when they do, it will be the properties of parliament members that will suffer.
 
For one thing it's against the law, and it doesn't help.

You have absolutely no idea about what is happening here. 2.5 years ago, the government was elected by promising they will give "modest raises". What followed, the whole world knows. Later, a new government was formed, and now they are voting for things that will affect the next generations. No referendum, no elections, nothing. Without any regard for what polls show, for the demonstrations, for the public sentiment.

Will you tell me WHAT exactly helps when a government is so much opposite to what the people want ?
 
For one thing it's against the law, and it doesn't help.

Well the first is only relivant if you want it to be. As for not helping smashing things is fun. Objectively if you have nothing to lose why not smash things?

But again there is a logic to it. The IMF really really want their money back. They can't have goverments lending money to the IMF losing money. The germans and french also need to get their money back for domestic political reasons. As a result the ability to threaten the existance of a loan repaying entity gives you leaverage to ask for better terms.

Not bad for a dictatorship. I could think of a worse deal.

Dude they barely register 0.01 Cincinnatus. The IMF's record with a range of african nations is pretty poor and the other two have core interests that dirrectly conflict with Greece's.
 

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