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Merged Whitney Houston dead

cwalner said:
Hey, Look at what happened to Sci-Fi cinema since Star Wars' success. Just because a bunch of low-talent hacks try to copy a success, does not diminish the quality or talent of the artist that inspired them.
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I know it doesn't relate to the original thread but: I honestly don't see how Star Wars was all that good, it was merely popular. You take away the "Magic-by-any-other-name" and those stupid glowing swords and it most likely wouldn't have caught much in the way of attention.

Back on topic: I agree with Complexity here. How exactly does Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson or Elvis Presley count as 'talented'? Could they do something useful, practical or beneficial? The answer is a resounding no. You take away their charisma and nothing separates them from the wanna-be leaches trying to imitate them. In less than a month's time someone else will take her place and she will be forgotten, and you will realize that Complexity was right.
 
Mudcat said:
Back on topic: I agree with Complexity here. How exactly does Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson or Elvis Presley count as 'talented'? Could they do something useful, practical or beneficial? The answer is a resounding no. You take away their charisma and nothing separates them from the wanna-be leaches trying to imitate them. In less than a month's time someone else will take her place and she will be forgotten, and you will realize that Complexity was right.
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Are you suggesting that Elvis has been forgotten? Michael Jackson?

You seem to be deluded.
 
Joey Diaz selling cocaine to Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown:

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Mudcat said:
Back on topic: I agree with Complexity here. How exactly does Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson or Elvis Presley count as 'talented'? Could they do something useful, practical or beneficial? The answer is a resounding no. You take away their charisma and nothing separates them from the wanna-be leaches trying to imitate them. In less than a month's time someone else will take her place and she will be forgotten, and you will realize that Complexity was right.
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If Whitney, MJ and Elvis were not talented, the word has no meaning. Not to mention words like "useful", "practical" and "beneficial".

Are you just trolling, or can you support your contentions?
 
Matthew Best said:
Are you suggesting that Elvis has been forgotten? Michael Jackson?
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Who still talks about him apart from the occasional CT crackpots suggesting he's still alive or some nonsense like that?

Like many here in the states, I grew up hearing about and knowing about Michael Joseph Jackson (unfortunately, we share the same first and middle name) and I have seen him go from Jesus Christ Superstar status to washed-out.

He hasn't been relevant in a long time, even just judge from my admittedly disinterested knowledge of music.

Mathew Best said:
You seem to be deluded.
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Try disinterested. I didn't even know the useless girl died till I heard about it a few minutes ago. On an MMO.
 
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lionking said:
If Whitney, MJ and Elvis were not talented, the word has no meaning. Not to mention words like "useful", "practical" and "beneficial".
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They had the looks, and knew how to use them. Their singing abilities weren't particularly good or unique, so if they didn't have those previously mentioned looks or an inordinate amount of luck no one would have ever given them the time of day.

lionking said:
Are you just trolling, or can you support your contentions?
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I think you should look up the term trolling.

Now, can singing save a life? Build a bridge? Deliver people to their family safely? Put a man on the moon? Build better knowledge to give to future generations? Rebuild buildings destroyed by natural disasters or the malicious intent of human beings? Anything apart from this wooish "It motivates people and gives me something better than silence to listen to"?

lionking said:
I also ask Mudcat, does any singer, ever, meet your standard of talent?
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I don't know, have any singers done anything worthwhile with their undeserved fortune?

Otherwise my respect goes something like this:
  1. Pond scum
  2. Actors
  3. Singers
  4. Sports players

Note, that at least singers rate higher than sports players.
 
Mudcat said:
They had the looks, and knew how to use them. Their singing abilities weren't particularly good or unique, so if they didn't have those previously mentioned looks or an inordinate amount of luck no one would have ever given them the time of day.
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As you're confessedly not interested in the subject then I suppose it's no surprise that you're so spectacularly wrong.
 
Mudcat said:
They had the looks, and knew how to use them. Their singing abilities weren't particularly good or unique, so if they didn't have those previously mentioned looks or an inordinate amount of luck no one would have ever given them the time of day.

I think you should look up the term trolling.

Now, can singing save a life? Build a bridge? Deliver people to their family safely? Put a man on the moon? Build better knowledge to give to future generations? Rebuild buildings destroyed by natural disasters or the malicious intent of human beings? Anything apart from this wooish "It motivates people and gives me something better than silence to listen to"?

I don't know, have any singers done anything worthwhile with their undeserved fortune?

Otherwise my respect goes something like this:
  1. Pond scum
  2. Actors
  3. Singers
  4. Sports players

Note, that at least singers rate higher than sports players.
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Yeah, who needs culture anyway?
 
Mudcat said:
I think you should look up the term trolling.
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Perhaps you should look up the term. From your link:

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted".
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Fits your posts here to a T.
 
Mudcat said:
They had the looks, and knew how to use them. Their singing abilities weren't particularly good or unique, so if they didn't have those previously mentioned looks or an inordinate amount of luck no one would have ever given them the time of day.

I think you should look up the term trolling.

Now, can singing save a life? Build a bridge? Deliver people to their family safely? Put a man on the moon? Build better knowledge to give to future generations? Rebuild buildings destroyed by natural disasters or the malicious intent of human beings? Anything apart from this wooish "It motivates people and gives me something better than silence to listen to"?

I don't know, have any singers done anything worthwhile with their undeserved fortune?

Otherwise my respect goes something like this:
  1. Pond scum
  2. Actors
  3. Singers
  4. Sports players

Note, that at least singers rate higher than sports players.
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Any artists at all?

I've seen some silly posts on this forum, but yours in this thread set a pretty high benchmark.
 
Mudcat said:
Back on topic: I agree with Complexity here. How exactly does Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson or Elvis Presley count as 'talented'?
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Good to great singing voices, good to great dancing ability ( though I would rate Houston as fair.) the ability to make millions feel emotion through performance.

Could they do something useful, practical or beneficial?
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To millions of people, yes. Hell, the ability to put emotions & intent to song alone covers all three quite well

The answer is a resounding no.
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Explain.



You take away their charisma and nothing separates them from the wanna-be leaches trying to imitate them.
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Like saying if you take away Einstien's, Dawkins', & Hitchens' intelligence nothing separates them from a Jr high science teacher.

In less than a month's time someone else will take her place and she will be forgotten, and you will realize that Complexity was right.
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Let's think about this for a sec... You threw Elvis & Michael Jackson into the mix. Most likely because you figured people would know who they are. One's been dead for what 30
years now?
 
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