Larry Silverstein explaining what he meant by 'pull it'

[A W Smith]

So examining the steel unofficially outside your hotel room while trucks are parked counts as forensic investigation?

evidence for a thermite cut would be obvious, Have you any evidence of WTC steel that was cut through with thermite including the typical white crust consistent with thermite use?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/thermiteresidue.png/sr=1

 

[NoahFence]

So examining the steel unofficially outside your hotel room while trucks are parked counts as forensic investigation?

Please reply to my post directly above that one^

 

[ergo]

We're not talking about thermite, here, AW, but nice try. I was merely debunking bedunker claims about forensic evidence not being shipped off before being examined.

 

[000063]

Much of it was dumped onto trucks and examined at Fresh Kills by forensic examiners and detectives for remains. The only way to tell which pieces were evidence before sending it off to FK would be to, y'know, examine it at the scene. Not to mention the steelworkers who helped remove it, many of whom would know the difference between an impact and fire induced collapse and CD, whether explosives/themite/both. Thousands of people with relevant experience personally handled the debris, both before and after transport to FK.

Nice job proving Noah right, by the way. I'll bet you'll ignore this one too.

 

[NoahFence]

So examining the steel unofficially outside your hotel room while trucks are parked counts as forensic investigation?

From your link:

But because the steel provides no clues to the criminal investigation,

You may want to actually read your own links once in a while. It would answer a lot.

 

[NoahFence]

Nice job proving Noah right, by the way. I'll bet you'll ignore this one too.

Its what they do.

If there's a question whose answer puzzles them, they ignore it. Either that or they file it for a few days until they can invent their answer.

If there was thermite in the building, it would be on the steel. As obvious as the sun is bright.

Nobody would see that, and ignore it. There would be thousands of people at the site, all saying "WTF!?!?" in unison.

 

[ergo]

Much of it was dumped onto trucks and examined at Fresh Kills by forensic examiners and detectives for remains. The only way to tell which pieces were evidence before sending it off to FK would be to, y'know, examine it at the scene. Not to mention the steelworkers who helped remove it, many of whom would know the difference between an impact and fire induced collapse and CD, whether explosives/themite/both. Thousands of people with relevant experience personally handled the debris, both before and after transport to FK.

You're making many claims here without sources, so please provide some, in addition to the references you still need to find about the extent of asbestos fireproofing. Do you have some quotes from steel workers indicating that they had time and were organized enough to sort out the steel for forensic analysis?

Everyone who worked at Ground Zero commented on the inappropriate hastiness in the removal of debris and remains, not to mention the steel. The quotes I've already provided are but a few.

 

[Tricky]

"Zionist" derail sent to AAH. Please keep it at least marginally on-topic.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

 

[DGM]

You're making many claims here without sources, so please provide some

Words to live by?

 

[ergo]

Words to live by?

I provided a secondary source for my claim, DGM, which you would know because your harping on this indicates that you read it. I am working on finding verification for that. This will be done on my timeline, not yours.

 

[DGM]

I provided a secondary source for my claim, DGM, which you would know because your harping on this indicates that you read it. I am working on finding verification for that. This will be done on my timeline, not yours.

Are you talking this?

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/oct2001/nf2001105_5320.htm

"The Process of Creating a Ruin"
In 1999's Divided We Stand, author Eric Darton speculated on the World Trade Center's demise -- literally and economically

Speculated is even in the title.

I like this part:

Editor's Note: Long before terrorist attacks destroyed the World Trade Center, Eric Darton, author of the 1999 book Divided We Stand (Basic Books), claims he had a premonition that there was "something really awful imminent" [see BW Online 10/1/01

 

[NoahFence]

You're making many claims here without sources,

followed immediately by:

Everyone who worked at Ground Zero commented on the inappropriate hastiness in the removal

Everyone?

 

[NoahFence]

That proves nothing of course. Are you suggesting that steel beams that had evidence of therm*te were the ones shipped out, and that ones that did not were left behind? How could the powers that be possibly arrange that? That the planners actually were able to discern where a certain piece of steel would land, and that the responders on site were tasked with removing THOSE pieces first, without questioning why they had therm*te residue on them?

Keep in mind these responders were first and foremost looking for friends and family!

come on Ergo.

We're waiting with baited breath for the official truther explanation.

 

[DGM]

come on Ergo.

We're waiting with baited breath for the official truther explanation.

I think you need one of these here.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

This will be done on my timeline, not yours.

The spirits of the 3,000 dead waiting for justice (did you forget them again?) are doubtlessly overjoyed.

 

[TheRedWorm]

If all of the steel was sent to China, why is a piece of it in a truck stop in Nebraska?

Hell, why is there a piece of it sitting at our local DPS?

 

[000063]

You're making many claims here without sources, so please provide some, in addition to the references you still need to find about the extent of asbestos fireproofing.

Prove Travis was only working from NIST, along with the fire safety standards you mentioned.

I was not making a claim about the asbestos, but about references in general, as I have already stated. If you think my claim is irrelevant even if true, say so, don't keep asking for the asbestos references which I am not referring to, except possibly as part of the general body of sources.

Do you have some quotes from steel workers indicating that they had time and were organized enough to sort out the steel for forensic analysis?

Ergo, I'm claiming the steelworkers handled the steel, and many would know what cut or explosively severed steel would look like. AFAIK, none have advanced such a claim.

I made no claims and do not make any claims regarding whether or not they sorted the steel for forensic analysis or whether or not they had time/capability to do so.

If you would like to make a claim or present evidence regarding the matter, feel free. Sunstealer has already done so, regarding the sorting of the steel, and you just ignored it. Because you don't understand it, it's worthless, is the implication.

Everyone who worked at Ground Zero commented on the inappropriate hastiness in the removal of debris and remains, not to mention the steel. The quotes I've already provided are but a few.

Citation needed.

They finished cleanup the following May, under budget without serious injury. That's not consistent with unseemly haste, and the article I just linked says that it was difficult to estimate how long it would take. Even in a construction demolition, everything is removed from the building before planting charges, IIRC. Nothing the size of WTC had ever collapsed, occupied, so any estimates were just that; estimates.

In addition, they were literally giving the steel away. How would they know that they hadn't overlooked some critical piece with thermite? Once again, the conspirators took actions that actively increased the risk of discovery, according to the Truthers.

I like how you cut out the bit of my post where I point out you're ignoring Noah.

 

[NoahFence]

I like how you cut out the bit of my post where I point out you're ignoring Noah.

Which proves that he acknowledged it to himself at least.

 

[ergo]

Prove Travis was only working from NIST, along with the fire safety standards you mentioned.

Lol. Using your standard of "proof", I think I can "prove" in fact, that Travis was working from no source, due to the fact that he didn't provide any.

But to play your idiot's game, the subject was the extent of asbestos fireproofing. In response to my reply to Travis's post in 533, you said:

Incorrect. There have been several publicly and privately funded reports on 9/11. It is, quite simply, the most investigated crime in history.

I have asked you to provide citations to these studies on the extent of the asbestos fireproofing. You have not done so.

But I'm sure you'll turn this into some kind of epic back and forth, in which "ergo refuses" to answer "any" of your questions, à la the sundials "debate". I have you on my Ignore list for a reason.

 

[NoahFence]

ERGO:

Quote:
That proves nothing of course. Are you suggesting that steel beams that had evidence of therm*te were the ones shipped out, and that ones that did not were left behind? How could the powers that be possibly arrange that? That the planners actually were able to discern where a certain piece of steel would land, and that the responders on site were tasked with removing THOSE pieces first, without questioning why they had therm*te residue on them?

Keep in mind these responders were first and foremost looking for friends and family!

Tick tock....

you prove me right everytime you ignore those questions.