Larry Silverstein explaining what he meant by 'pull it'

I'll see your phantom asbestos in tower two and raise you the secret adamantium core in all the WTC towers.
 
Let me just start by saying that I've always considered this the dumbest of all truther claims. I literally cannot believe that any rational person could honestly think that Larry Silverstein went on national TV and spilled the beans on the biggest "cover up" in US history by admitting to insurance fraud! An admission that was never raised by the very insurance companies who were fighting LS on his claim and something Silverstein himself offered a statement on clarifying his words. I can excuse the odd truther who obviously is just repeating what he read off of another website: "The owner admitted blowing up the building!". But anyone who has been exposed to Silverstein's actual interview and still thinks he admitted to "pulling the building" almost certainly is wearing a helmet on the short bus!

Dumbest Claim Ever!

Which brings me to Clayton, Ergo and MM. I would not accuse any of them as being unintelligent. So I'm finding it difficult to believe that any of them actually believe what they are accusing LS of doing. Are they lying? Possibly. I think it is more an indication of their psychology. Call it trolling or an agenda, but I think it is clear that the subject matter is unimportant to them. 9/11, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor or HAARP. Any or all are interchangeable, but the underlying theme is that the whole world is wrong and only THEY know the answer.

Conclusion: a "New Investigation" isn't what they want. They just want confirmation of their biases.
[have I just repeated the obvious?]
 
cantonear1968 said:
Let me just start by saying that I've always considered this the dumbest of all truther claims. I literally cannot believe that any rational person could honestly think that Larry Silverstein went on national TV and spilled the beans on the biggest "cover up" in US history by admitting to insurance fraud! An admission that was never raised by the very insurance companies who were fighting LS on his claim and something Silverstein himself offered a statement on clarifying his words. I can excuse the odd truther who obviously is just repeating what he read off of another website: "The owner admitted blowing up the building!". But anyone who has been exposed to Silverstein's actual interview and still thinks he admitted to "pulling the building" almost certainly is wearing a helmet on the short bus!

Dumbest Claim Ever!

Which brings me to Clayton, Ergo and MM. I would not accuse any of them as being unintelligent. So I'm finding it difficult to believe that any of them actually believe what they are accusing LS of doing. Are they lying? Possibly. I think it is more an indication of their psychology. Call it trolling or an agenda, but I think it is clear that the subject matter is unimportant to them. 9/11, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor or HAARP. Any or all are interchangeable, but the underlying theme is that the whole world is wrong and only THEY know the answer.

Conclusion: a "New Investigation" isn't what they want. They just want confirmation of their biases.
[have I just repeated the obvious?]
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Lucky Larry went on TV and reaffirmed to the neocons and the Zionists that they could slyly admit to pulling/demolishing WTC 7 and no one would believe them. You said it yourself. Why would he admit it?

Why? Because he knew he could.

Just like the Bush administration said an investigation wasn't necessary, delayed it a couple of years, and shipped all the steel evidence to China. All right under our and the MSM's noses.

Why didn't the MSM question why Bush was impeding an investigation and why they didn't question why the steel evidence was being sent to China?
 
Clayton Moore said:
shipped all the steel evidence to China.
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According to Clayton, JFK Airport is in China..

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Or these?





You fail again Clayton.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Lucky Larry went on TV and reaffirmed to the neocons and the Zionists that they could slyly admit to pulling/demolishing WTC 7 and no one would believe them. You said it yourself. Why would he admit it?

Why? Because he knew he could.

Just like the Bush administration said an investigation wasn't necessary, delayed it a couple of years, and shipped all the steel evidence to China. All right under our and the MSM's noses.

Why didn't the MSM question why Bush was impeding an investigation and why they didn't question why the steel evidence was being sent to China?
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If all of the steel was sent to China, why is a piece of it in a truck stop in Nebraska?
 
Would they have been okay if it was shipped to Canada instead?

I mean steel is valuable. Just leaving all of it in a landfill is a waste of money.
 
Sunstealer said:
There was also materials testing and analysis performed on this non-existent steel too!

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0711/banovic-0711.html
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I'm not sure what Sunstealer thinks his linked reference proves. You guys keep dredging this bunk up. Many of the engineers complained about the rapid removal of steel that could be used forensically.

Science Committee of the House of Representatives hearing: said:
Some of the critical pieces of steel—including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns—were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site. Fortunately, an NSF-funded independent researcher, recognizing that valuable evidence was being destroyed, attempted to intervene with the City of New York to save the valuable artifacts, but the city was unwilling to suspend the recycling contract. Ultimately, the researcher appealed directly to the recycling plant, which agreed to provide the researcher, and ultimately the ASCE team and the SEAoNY volunteers, access to the remaining steel and a storage area where they could temporarily store important artifacts for additional analysis. Despite this agreement, however, many pieces of steel still managed to escape inspection.
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http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/science/hsy77747.000/hsy77747_0f.htm


Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl said:
“When there is a car accident and two people are killed, you keep the car until the trial is over. If a plane crashes, not only do you keep the plane, but you assemble all the pieces, take it to a hangar, and put it together. That’s only for 200, 300 people, when they die. In this case you had 3,000 people dead.”

“My wish was that we had spent whatever it takes, maybe $50 million, $100 million, and maybe two years, get all this steel, carry it to a lot. Instead of recycling it, put it horizontally, and assemble it. You have maybe 200 engineers, not just myself running around trying to figure out what’s going on. After all, this is a crime scene and you have to figure out exactly what happened for this crime, and learn from it.”
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Astaneh-Asl previously told the New York Times that the scrap steel from the WTC was “worth only a few million dollars, a tiny fraction of the billions of dollars the cleanup will cost.” Yet the knowledge that could be gained from it “could save lives in a future disaster.”
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http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=abolhassan_astaneh_asl_1


NIST itself examined less than 0.5% (236 pieces) of the steel, none from WTC 7, and only four Twin Towers core columns, although they had more at their disposal.

Andrea Dreger said:
NIST’s argument for exclusion involves two steps: First they state that only the 12 core columns with known as-built locations were of interest. Next, they exclude 8 of these 12 columns because they were located outside the fire and impact areas, arguing implicitly that their damage and failure modes can be only of statistical interest.
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Any serious investigation into the reasons why the Twin Towers were
completely destroyed would attempt to find out why the strong steel frames [specifically the core column framing] below the impact and fire areas lost their strength and gave way. But NIST deliberately decided not to do this...
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http://www.ae911truth.org/documents...sis_of_the_Physical_Evidence_of_WTC_Steel.pdf

bracketed words mine.
 
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If a plane crashes, not only do you keep the plane, but you assemble all the pieces, take it to a hangar, and put it together.
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And why do they do that? Accident reconstruction. To find out what happened.

There is no doubt at all what happened to the planes at the Twin Towers. Also, the planes were gone. Vaporized and melted.

The ONLY people needing convincing now, are trolls. You people DO NOT MATTER.

That can't be said enough.
 
ergo said:
NIST itself examined less than 0.5% (236 pieces) of the steel, none from WTC 7, and only four Twin Towers core columns, although they had more at their disposal.
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They would only examine steel that looked like something unusual had happened to it. If thermite or explosives had been used, those are the very pieces that would have been looked at.
 
In addition, it appears that Astaneh-asl had access to some of the steel only by serendipity:
Oct 2, 2001 - Two Wednesdays ago, on his first night in the city to collect scientific data on the collapsed World Trade Center buildings, Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl looked out the window of his room at the Tribeca Grand Hotel and saw a flatbed truck parked outside.

By chance, trucks hauling steel from the trade center site paused there for an hour or two before proceeding to the docks, where the steel was loaded onto barges.

Dr. Astaneh-Asl, a professor of structural engineering at the University of California at Berkeley, changed out of his nightclothes and went downstairs for a closer look. Over the next few nights, he cataloged 30 to 40 of the mighty beams and columns as trucks stopped in front of the hotel.

''I've found quite a number of interesting items,'' he said.

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Dr. Astaneh-Asl and other engineers had assumed that the estimated 310,000 tons of steel columns and beams were being taken to Fresh Kills landfill in Staten Island with the rest of the debris, to be sifted by investigators.

But because the steel provides no clues to the criminal investigation, New York City started sending it to recyclers.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/02/science/scarred-steel-holds-clues-and-remedies.html?pagewanted=1

:eye-poppi


Astaneh-asl arrived in NYC on Sept 18th? and truckloads of steel were already being shipped off to China, likely before this date.

So in other words, the relevant authorities commissioned engineers to investigate the collapse, yet they were shipping off the evidence before these engineers even arrived.
 
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DGM said:
Ergo:
How you doing with those sources? You didn't forget?
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It could take a while, DGM. As you know, the PA Authority's files got losted in all the confusion, because digitization and data storage did not exist before 9/11, doncha know.

I'm doing this for me, not for you.

In the meantime, you can help zero, zero, zero, zero-63 come up with those other references confirming that asbestos fireproofing was present only in part of Tower 1.
 
Travis said:
Would they have been okay if it was shipped to Canada instead?

I mean steel is valuable. Just leaving all of it in a landfill is a waste of money.
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I don't think the truthers wanted it left in a landfill. They wanted it to be brought to the front door of each and every truther, so they would have an opportunity to examine it themselves using their Official Scooby-Doo Detective Kits.

Anything less than that is an inexcusable coverup.
 
ergo said:
In addition, it appears that Astaneh-asl had access to some of the steel only by serendipity:


http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/02/science/scarred-steel-holds-clues-and-remedies.html?pagewanted=1

:eye-poppi


Astaneh-asl arrived in NYC on Sept 18th? and truckloads of steel were already being shipped off to China, likely before this date.

So in other words, the relevant authorities commissioned engineers to investigate the collapse, yet they were shipping off the evidence before these engineers even arrived.
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That proves nothing of course. Are you suggesting that steel beams that had evidence of therm*te were the ones shipped out, and that ones that did not were left behind? How could the powers that be possibly arrange that? That the planners actually were able to discern where a certain piece of steel would land, and that the responders on site were tasked with removing THOSE pieces first, without questioning why they had therm*te residue on them?

Keep in mind these responders were first and foremost looking for friends and family!

I fully expect you to totally ignore those most reasonable questions. Prove me wrong, for once.
 
aggle-rithm said:
I don't think the truthers wanted it left in a landfill. They wanted it to be brought to the front door of each and every truther, so they would have an opportunity to examine it themselves using their Official Scooby-Doo Detective Kits.

Anything less than that is an inexcusable coverup.
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So examining the steel unofficially outside your hotel room while trucks are parked counts as forensic investigation?
 
ergo said:
It could take a while, DGM. As you know, the PA Authority's files got losted in all the confusion, because digitization and data storage did not exist before 9/11, doncha know.
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Why don't you just post where you heard them? I seriously doubt you got your information first hand.
ergo said:
I'm doing this for me, not for you.
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I seriously hope so. The thing is, you're using this to base your theory on. I would think you would have a solid source before you stated these as fact.

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