Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[threadworm]

Oh my, isn't this interesting.......Jay thinks "activation energy" is something Patrick1000 might be able to calculate.

Such an erudite group here and not a SINGLE ONE OF YOU seems to understand any fundamentals of chemistry.

Better look that up Jay, "activation energy" see what it is and why it is important here. You can read about it in any freshman chemistry text.

Just so you know Jay, it is not something I can calculate. It is something that would be empirically determined. I don't believe I have the proper lab set up. You yourself would not happen to, do you?

No. All you need are values that you can fit into an equation. You can find those values and do the calculation.

What would those questions be Tomblvd?

1) What is the activation energy for the combustion of Teflon.

2) What is the free energy of the Teflon combustion reaction?

3) What catalysts were present if any for the reaction in the Apollo 13 SM O2 tank number two?

There are a half dozen more important questions, but let's start with these.

I believe those are the questions you are interested in Tomblvd. They are the questions I would like answers to. They would be questions for the NASA boys to answer of course. I have been looking for their answers and have yet to find them.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, how curious is that??????????

Re the above, you manage to summarise the questions people would like you to answer, and then completely fail to do so. How curious is that?

As for your alleged letter to Armstrong, I wonder why you didn't get a reply. Is that why you're spamming places like this? You're annoyed he didn't send flowers?

Armstrong barely responds to people who like him, why the hell would he respond to some kook who's calling him a liar?

Why not post us a link to your letter, see if we can see why Armstrong was reluctant to reply?

If you're so annoyed that your 'victims' won't talk to you, why not take the opportunity to do so in person? Failure to do so is going to make your idiot's tale of sound and fury signify nothing.

 

[Patrick1000]

One last point about the Teflon......

A joule's worth of energy is roughly the amount of energy "released" by way of a small apple's falling a distance of a meter.

So according to NASA, 10 or 20 small apples falling a meter is the amount of juice they claim started the Teflon fire in Apollo 13's more than icy cold oxygen tank number 2.

I don't buy that story for a minute, and unless NASA provides details of what exactly was done experimentally to show such might have been the case, I don't buy it for a nanosecond....

 

[abaddon]

I work quite well without a safety net Jay......

I have been more than up front with my accusations/claims/FACTS!!!! I have written personal letters DIRECTLY!!! to Armstrong, Aldrin and others, delivered by certified mail, correspondences which included ever so emphatically my name, phone number and email address. The astronauts had and still have an opportunity to respond to me directly.

You imply you have had no response. Do you know why?
It is because they would likely say "Another conspiracy nut letter. Bin"

As for you Jay, with all due respect,

that's just code for "you have no respect".

it is none of your business whom I choose to contact directly with regard to my views.

When you lay scurrilous, unfounded accusations against public figures, it becomes everyone's business.

By all means, you are free to interact in open forums,

Ego, meet failure. This is not within your remit to grant or deny.

but you are not welcome to be a part of my private communications with astronauts or anybody else.

Non sequitur. Nobody asked, or even wants to see any of your private communications. You are simply being offered the opportunity to face those you accuse.

And your side calls me arrogant?

Yes. Because you are. The only one who doesn't see it is you.

 

[abaddon]

If it is already settled to your satisfaction Jay why is it that you are WASTING so much time and energy here on JREF debating me Jay? If I have nothing to say Jay, why are you bothering with any of this? As I have written to others, no one is holding a pretend inauthentic worthless nonfunctional Apollo Program ray gun to your head. You seem rather obsessed with my theories Jay considering all the time and effort you invest in your feeble efforts to counter my FACTS.

You are making wild accusations in public, why wouldn't any thinking person reject them in public?
Your writings and accusations are tantamount to me asking you the question "have you stopped fighting all those medical malpractice suits?"

Are you planning to write a medical text Jay and claim that influenza vaccines are 100% efficacious.....? That might be helpful given the dire straights Apollo is in here.

Non sequitur. Also it is "dire straits".

Oh, and as far as the chem stuff, I have yet to find anything worthwhile regarding the activation energy for that Teflon combustion reaction. I wonder why that is? Perhaps you'd care to provide that to us Jay so that we can all get started.

Research fail.

And as far as dragging my feet goes in a broad sense, I have made more progress researching Apollo, telling the truth about the American Apollo Program in 8 months than all Apollo researchers combined have on both sides of the fence in the last 42 and one half years, so don't give me your bogus jive Jay about dragging my feet. On the contrary, I am writing the book before your very eyes with regard to how it was that this abominable charade played out.

Sure. If your Teflon research is anything to go by, it will be a tough decision whether such a book would be listed under fiction or humour.

Posterity will thank me.........

Posterity will say "Who?"

 

[abaddon]

One last point about my HABIT of contacting principals(astronauts, fight officers, scientists) directly....

Perhaps Jay when all is said and done, my personal communications with Armstrong, Aldrin(admittedly very one sided given THEIR RELUCTANCE TO ENGAGE ME), flight officers and so forth will be made public. Wouldn't THAT be interesting.

As mentioned previously, there are some who have agreed to allow me to make public that which they have shared with me and I choose to keep my personal correspondences private until in my view making such information public would be of value. At this point in time, such is not the case. Not by a light year.

So you basically have nothing. Quelle surprise. Besides, it is irrelevant. What about the offer of a face to face with those you accuse?

 

[abaddon]

That was my point JAy.....There are only UNLABELED simple feeds in the patients rooms.

Having had an unexpected 5 day sojourn in ICU, I can confirm that all outlets were glaringly labelled, each and every one.

 

[abaddon]

Again, if you find me a laughingstock, why are you wasting your time calling me one?

Because of this...

Mr. Kranz is more than a liar.......

He is party to an act of treason.....

 

[Tomblvd]

What would those questions be Tomblvd?

I'm still waiting for you to support this statement:
(which you've ignored for days)
__________________________________________________________

Originally Posted by Patrick1000

There is not a single point of mine that I do not still stand by;



2) Apollo must be fraudulent because in the case of a real program physicians would have addressed the Borman illness in a very different way than it in fact the matter was addressed.

And what "different way" would that have been? You MUST be specific here.

____________________________________________________________

Also, do you still stand by this statement?

Quote:
This false claim of course was necessary in a sense because were Borman to have had influenza, Lovell and Anders under those circumstances would be expected to get if for sure.

(emphasis mine)

Come on Pat, you're posting, but you aren't saying anything. Answer the questions.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Yes, and yes.

 

[Garrison]

I'd like to introduce a new subject, something I have been investigating for several months now.

You mean you finally got around to looking up the material I and others pointed you towards the real military space program when you brought up your phony one centred around instrumenting the moon?

In the late 1950s and early 60s, the Air Force was developing a space shuttle like reconnaissance glider, bomber called the Dyna-Soar. The program was highly developed and said to have been canceled in the early 1960s.

Again repeating what you were already told and pretending you are introducing new facts.

Of course nothing could have been further from the truth. Witness the Space Shuttle, nothing other than a Dyna-Soar.

Another example of NASA's/Air Force's Overt Coverts.

While it would be interesting to see what new mistakes you can come up with trying to make that theory work, and the USAF involvement in the STS was hardly a secret, I think I would rather you stick to the matters at hand; owning up to your mistakes about Oxygen and Teflon, providing your contact details and meeting Gene Kranz etal face to face.

 

[Garrison]

Oh really, the hard evidence supports Apollo Garrison? Is that so?

Let's take a look at the "hard evidence" with regard to the Teflon combustion issue.

Yes the hard evidence is you claimed it wouldn't burn, are you ever going to own up to that mistake? Why when you made such a basic error should anyone take your opinion on the combustion issue seriously?

 

[Patrick1000]

Under these circumstances NASA would be expected....

No. All you need are values that you can fit into an equation. You can find those values and do the calculation.



Re the above, you manage to summarise the questions people would like you to answer, and then completely fail to do so. How curious is that?

As for your alleged letter to Armstrong, I wonder why you didn't get a reply. Is that why you're spamming places like this? You're annoyed he didn't send flowers?

Armstrong barely responds to people who like him, why the hell would he respond to some kook who's calling him a liar?

Why not post us a link to your letter, see if we can see why Armstrong was reluctant to reply?

If you're so annoyed that your 'victims' won't talk to you, why not take the opportunity to do so in person? Failure to do so is going to make your idiot's tale of sound and fury signify nothing.

Under these circumstances NASA would be expected to determine the activation energy for THAT PARTICULAR TEFLON and document in the greatest of detail how the determination was made. It would obviously be one of the most important features of an appropriate evaluation.

The Cortright Report features no such details. Perhaps they exist, though I have yet to find them. At this point in time, I find the Cortright Report to be nothing more than a JOKE.

By the way, I am not writing these posts for Neil Armstrong threadworm. He had his chance to respond to me and did not, so no big deal from my end. I can mop the floor with Armstrong regardless of his participating or not.

 

[Tomblvd]

Quick poll:

Does ANYONE here believe Patrick wrote a letter to Armstrong et. al. 8 months ago and only forgot to mention it lo these past months and 7000 posts? And only remembered to mention it when the pressure really started to build regarding a face to face with Kranz?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Can you imagine getting a 20 page letter from Patrick? Whether or not it was in the traditional green ink, I can't imagine anyone reading more than a couple of paragraphs before binning it with a weary sigh.

It's funny that Patrick is now trying to goad someone into doing his chemistry homework for him, but it's a bit obvious.

I wonder why Patrick has never offered his valuable insights and marvellous evidence to the press. Wouldn't they care about a massive treacherous conspiracy? Could it be he's afraid of being laughed at? Could it be he already has been?

 

[R.A.F.]

I don't buy that story for a minute, and unless NASA provides details of what exactly was done experimentally to show such might have been the case, I don't buy it for a nanosecond....

What is your "problem" with understanding that your "opinion" is less than worthless?

What is it about "no one here agrees with you" that you don't understand?

If you post it, we know it is wrong.


That is your legacy on this board.

 

[Patrick1000]

Looks Like Neil Armstrong's Claim To Fame Will Be As a Fraudster Two Times Over

First off, he was the first man to pretend to land on the moon, and secondly, he was a member of the Cortright Commission on the Apollo 13 "Problem". He actually signed that worthless thing. Now THAT! is serving your country with "great" distinction!

 

[slyjoe]

A joule's worth of energy is roughly the amount of energy "released" by way of a small apple's falling a distance of a meter.

So according to NASA, 10 or 20 small apples falling a meter is the amount of juice they claim started the Teflon fire in Apollo 13's more than icy cold oxygen tank number 2.

I don't buy that story for a minute, and unless NASA provides details of what exactly was done experimentally to show such might have been the case, I don't buy it for a nanosecond....

Poor analogy from Wikipedia - apples? Really? How does 10-20 joules relate to ignition and/or a spark? I predict you won't answer, nor will you answer the other questions posed to you. You don't have the science or engineering background.

 

[R.A.F.]

I never claimed that "LM as lifeboat" was never drilled/simulated as an option.

BEFORE any technical assessment has been made with respect to the LM's capabilities.

Which of your statements that I've quoted here, is your claim, Patrick??

Do you realize you can't have it both ways?...or do you even care?

Aside...do you really think that once Kranf, et all. has a chance to view your irrational claims, that they would have ANY REASON WHATSOEVER to discuss anything with you?

The posters here only engage you as a courtesy. We all know you are wrong...it's not like you're gonna change minds with irrationality.

Why do you continue?

 

[nomuse]

A joule's worth of energy is roughly the amount of energy "released" by way of a small apple's falling a distance of a meter.

So according to NASA, 10 or 20 small apples falling a meter is the amount of juice they claim started the Teflon fire in Apollo 13's more than icy cold oxygen tank number 2.

I don't buy that story for a minute, and unless NASA provides details of what exactly was done experimentally to show such might have been the case, I don't buy it for a nanosecond....

And you claim to understand chemistry?

A kilo-joule delivered to the air of the room I'm in would heat it up slightly. That same kilo-joule delivered to a single spot on my hand would leave a third-degree burn.

The wires leading into the O2 tank didn't gently heat all the teflon in the tank until it reached ignition as a single mass; they sparked, bringing a single pin-point up to plasma temperatures.

 

[AdMan]

Quick poll:

Does ANYONE here believe Patrick wrote a letter to Armstrong et. al. 8 months ago and only forgot to mention it lo these past months and 7000 posts? And only remembered to mention it when the pressure really started to build regarding a face to face with Kranz?

LOL Of course he didn't.

The fact he is too cowardly to agree to face those he accuses of being "perps" and liars makes that obvious.