Merged "Iron-rich spheres" - scienctific explanation?

[superlogicalthinker]

High temperatures are anything greater than a standard day, and when we have fire, we have "high temperatures".

Oh ya? Show me a fire that reaches 2800F. RJ Lee Group report suggests those temperatures were present "during the WTC Event"

The highest temperatures were due to clean up, and during manufacture of the things in the WTC.

"iron and lead were melted during the WTC Event"

Fail again Beacher.

 

[beachnut]

Im going to put this as a quote on my posts. you know, those little quotes down at the bottom of your page. Wow dude! Thanks!

Look at this mentality?

And yet he says "cherry pick" and "pulizer" like it's the only words he knows.

Speaks volumes.

Do it!
You are claiming 911 was an inside job, thermite was used. If true, this is Pulitzer Prize material. Do you have the Pulitzer? No. You have idiotic delusions.
You have delusional nonsense, no evidence, no clue, no science, no nothing. You are spreading lies.

Where does the "teardrop" stuff come from? Source?
You can't answer simple questions, you post idiotic lies.

Where does the "teardrop" stuff come from? Source? Going to fail on this too?

 

[superlogicalthinker]

Not to overstate the point, but in fact, exhibit designers do tend to know a few things about their subject matter, as do curators. These people are usually highly educated and have extensive research and history backgrounds. Not sure what the case is for NYPD museum.

I love it when debunkers fight with each other. loooooove it

 

[superlogicalthinker]

not to overstate the point, but in fact, exhibit designers do tend to know a few things about their subject matter, as do curators. These people are usually highly educated and have extensive research and history backgrounds. Not sure what the case is for nypd museum.

you are gullible and have no usable knowledge on 911.

Looks like you have no clue iron spheres are not evidence of thermite.
What did cbs news say about your vast pile of moronic lies and delusions?


Jref is a skeptics forum, not a gullible forum for people who repeat plagiarized lies mindlessly like you do.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/index.html
don't do real research, it will ruin your moronic fantasy. What is your point related to iron spheres?

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/111ironoxideinbone.jpg

iron rich sphere on bone. Your delusion of thermite is due to ignorance.

lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[superlogicalthinker]

Hehe Rather generally:
All these "young angry detectives" like Christopher7 are funny.

- For millions of them, there were suspiciously low temperatures in impact zones, so it is clear that building constructions can't be damaged to the point of sudden collapses.
- For millions of others, there were indeed suspiciously high temperatures in WTC.
What temperatures would'nt be suspicious for them? 324 degrees C? Slightly higher? 10 degrees lower?

Why we are discussing over and over again this silly crap?
There were perhaps locally some really high temperatures, even able to melt some steel, or to sinter some concrete. Possible, and not excluded. It is only very apparent (to me) that such high temperatures had to be anyway somehow connected with the impacts of two planes hijacked by islamistic terrorists.

The whole concept of "auxiliary" controlled demolition of WTC is by far the biggest idiocy I have met during my quite long life (and I had spent the substantial part of it in a "communist" country, which was based on some big fat lies). This is actually why I'm still so fascinated by this matter. Is it possible that some adult people, claiming such moronic nonsenses, have "sui juris status" and are even allowed to vote?

For me, there was absolutely no imaginable reason why to "ensure" the complete collapses of these towers, using some "supersecret auxiliary demolitions" (which left hundreds of clear trails, including loudy explosions... and e.g. molten concrete exhibited in the NYPD museum). Period.

I'm not going to continue in the discusion on the "suspiciously" high (or low) temperatures anywhere in WTC. My intention here is to help to prove that tiny red chips found by Harrit, Jones, Ryan and their comrades in the WTC dust were indeed particles of some red primer paints

Well you will never prove that about the chip because paint doest react the way the chip does at 430C.

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Edited for civility.

 

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Oh ya? Show me a fire that reaches 2800F. RJ Lee Group report suggests those temperatures were present "during the WTC Event"

"iron and lead were melted during the WTC Event"

Fail again Beacher.

Show us where RJ Lee said that impossible temperatures were reached and the only way to explain it is through an exotic incendiary?

Oh wait, they said iron microspheres were "expected". Keep forgetting that don't you?

 

[superlogicalthinker]

You do realise that most of the "concrete pulverisation" in a explosive demolition is NOT from explosives right?

Stop comparing conventional demolition to the demolition of the twin towers. You can't compare the twin towers destruction to anything else except itself.

Twin towers explodes out wards. You cannot compare an implosion to and exploding outward building.

Just can't do it.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

wow.

Be sure to visit this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=7975618

And btw...

"World Trade Center 7 Imploded by Silverstein, FDNY and Others"
http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/alex_analysis.htm

I don't need to visit a JREF forum. He said it. "I got a phone call from the fire commander that afternoon"...... "they made the decision to pull and then from here(from here only in original PBS) we watched the building collapse"

Why do I need to visit a thread to hear something I can quote from memory.

Waste of time. He said it.

Why was "from here" edited out?

Must be another one of those "mistakes".

 

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Stop comparing conventional demolition to the demolition of the twin towers. You can't compare the twin towers destruction to anything else except itself.

Twin towers explodes out wards. You cannot compare an implosion to and exploding outward building.

Just can't do it.

Once again, almost all of the concrete pulverisation and dust created in a normal explosive demoltion is not caused by the explosives.

Yet you say it has to mean that on 911.

btw, please do check the videos of the collapses and compare to known top down explosive demolitions. Explosive blasts happen immediatly and yet on 911 you see the top sink into the bottom before any dust and debris is ejected out the side. Compare the WTC collapses to Verinage demolitons however, which dont use explosives, and you can see it matches much better. Funny that.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

The Chris's duke it out again!

C7: Only the color changes from black to gray but we will have to agree to disagree on that.

So you don't see less dust ejection in the first second than in the third second?

There are two things you did not comment on:

The explosions on the west side, above the impact point. Those are not caused by a collapse.

What you and I see is horizontal movement of materials. You interpret that as explosions. I interpret that as possibly 1/2 million feet of air per floor pushing stuff unevenly away from the perimeter

The top part is falling to one side yet the ejections are the same on both sides. That defies the laws of physics.


I thought Richard Gage called this a symmetrical almost freefall drop into its own footprint! Irregularities like this are to be expected in a natural collapse and are evidence of my theory. The chaotic interactions of buckling beams and broken up slabs of cement etc. are way to complex to analyze and create irregularities you don't see in a CD.

You are not willing to accept that they know what they are talking about. You are not willing to accept any evidence of molten steel/iron.

An unwarranted generalization. A debunker recently called me gullible for be willing to consider elements of the CD theory. I don't embrace it but I have "admitted it into evidence" until further info is available.


No, it does not support both sides as I have noted several times.

"..is to be expected" has been used to support the debunkers' side and you know it. All I am saying is more clarification is needed, people have asked RJ Lee, no answer has been forthcoming.

You are assuming that the RJ Lee Group doesn't know what they are talking about. That is denial. The problem is in your refusal to accept these scientific facts.


You can be SOOOOO irritating! All I said is these statements need more clarification. Comprende?

And BTW you are correct about "9/11 conspiracy theory." David Ray Griffin said it best... 9/11 Truth advocates believe in an alternative conspiracy theory from the standard one. This is why I think Richard Gage is wrong to call himself "not a conspiracy theorist." He is. You are. So am I. No one in their right mind could conceive of one individual pulling off 9/11 alone! So you see we agree on some things, occasionally, sometimes, sort of.

Chris,

A fellow debunker of yours called me an idiot, or something to that affect, because i didn't know how to quote a large post. well, I am not like him. When replying to a lengthy post, first highlight the text you want by right clicking your mouse.

Then, up above, in the application selection there is a quote bubble ( I call them) like what a comic character would talk out of in a comic book. Click on that. Then type text in what you want to say under it.

 

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I don't need to visit a JREF forum.

So you just want to derail this thread when there is an active one about this, well aren't you just wonderful.

He said it. "I got a phone call from the fire commander that afternoon"...... "they made the decision to pull and then from here(from here only in original PBS) we watched the building collapse"

uh... so?

"They" made the decision, yes, to pull the firefighting effort away from WTC7 and create a collapse zone so no one would get hurt when WTC7 collapsed. That is what the FDNY had been saying all day.

You are saying that They (the FDNY) made the decision to demolish his own building? Yes, that clearly makes MUCH more sense... Thats sarcasm btw.

Why do I need to visit a thread to hear something I can quote from memory.

Because we all know what Silverstein said. You're meant to post things in the right threads, there is one active right now about this exact topic.

And btw, you claimed that no one claimed the FDNY were on in it. You've been shown that they have and you ignore it. I am so surprised.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

You are making assumptions about what they "know" and also assuming that they do not know why what they see and report is perfectly normal and "expected".

Expected......"Considering HIGH TEMPERATURES"

What do you people not understand about that wording in front of expected???????????

And you wouldn't recognize a "scientific" fact if one hit you in face.....

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Like your denial of temperatures that volatilize lead and melt iron.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

So, you cite the RJ Lee report as an expert opinion in one post, but in the next one, claim they're wrong.

Explain how that works.

(This is a perfect example of confirmation bias. )

The iron spheres would not have been in the abundance they were. 6% of the dust is way too high and Chris Mohr agrees with us.

 

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Expected......"Considering HIGH TEMPERATURES"

What do you people not understand about that wording in front of expected???????????
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Expected high temperatures. Of course there was high temperatures on 911.

However, in no way at all do they imply that there was impossible temperature on 911 and that they only way to explain what they found is an exotic incendiary.

They said that the iron micropsheres were expected, they do not agree with you. Deal with it. No one in the professional world outside the tiny fragile fringe bunch of incompetent nobodies you've managed to find actually agrees with any of you. No amount of quote mining and twisting their words is going to change any of that. RJ Lee does not believe that impossible temperatures created iron microspheres.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

So you just want to derail this thread when there is an active one about this, well aren't you just wonderful.





uh... so?

"They" made the decision, yes, to pull the firefighting effort away from WTC7 and create a collapse zone so no one would get hurt when WTC7 collapsed. That is what the FDNY had been saying all day.

You are saying that They (the FDNY) made the decision to demolish his own building? Yes, that clearly makes MUCH more sense... Thats sarcasm btw.



Because we all know what Silverstein said. You're meant to post things in the right threads, there is one active right now about this exact topic.

And btw, you claimed that no one claimed the FDNY were on in it. You've been shown that they have and you ignore it. I am so surprised.

Off topic last quote on this from me.

FDNY was out of the building by 11:30 that morning as per NIST and FEMA.

Can't pull em out if they're not in there.

 

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Off topic last quote on this from me.

FDNY was out of the building by 11:30 that morning as per NIST and FEMA.

Can't pull em out if they're not in there.

If you had taken a looksie on the other thread you might have seen we'd had that stupid argument already.

Would you want to be under a 47 story building when it collapses? You do know that WTC7 didnt actually fall literally into itself don't you? It would have killed a lot of people if they hadn't got everyone out of there.

And FYI it was the FDNY that talked all day about the collapse zone, so if you are saying there was no need to pull everyone back, you're saying they are liars or just stupid mindless drones.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

What the hell is wrong with you Christopher?

You keep telling is how much you respect RJ Lee and how much of a highly credentialed authority they are and yet they are the ones saying that the iron microispheres are "EXPECTED." THAT IS THE WORD THEY USED

What do you not understand about this? Are you that daft man?

Considering the high temperatures reached during the destruction of
the WTC, this right here rest Beechers argument about the Event having clean up involved. OVER!!!!!


the following three types of combustion products would be expected to be present in WTC Dust.

Pretty clear. But not to JREFers. why????

 

[Edx]

What do you not understand about this? Are you that daft man?

Considering the high temperatures reached during the destruction of
the WTC, this right here rest Beechers argument about the Event having clean up involved. OVER!!!!!

the following three types of combustion products would be expected to be present in WTC Dust.

Pretty clear. But not to JREFers. why????

I keep telling you and you keep ignoring me. why?

Expected high temperatures. Of course there was high temperatures on 911.

However, in no way at all do they imply that there was impossible temperature on 911 and that they only way to explain what they found is an exotic incendiary.

They said that the iron micropsheres were expected, they do not agree with you. Deal with it. No one in the professional world outside the tiny fragile fringe bunch of incompetent nobodies you've managed to find actually agrees with any of you. No amount of quote mining and twisting their words is going to change any of that. RJ Lee does not believe that impossible temperatures created iron microspheres.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

A fact you fail to comprehend due to some unkown learning disability.

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Better than denial.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

There was foreknowledge all right. These dudes knew what they were seeing and made the difficult call but called it right, saving hundreds of lives of first responders.

Thanks for admitting the first part Chris. But please tell me how they could possibly have hypothesized that when it had never happened in history.

if it had never happened, where would the idea come from.

Don't come back at me with some lame excuse of how eventors event new ideas all the time. just answer my question please.

Thanks.