Merged "Iron-rich spheres" - scienctific explanation?

[beachnut]

That is simply abject denial.

You made a mistake, this is a skeptics forum, not a gullible repeater of lies forum. You picked the delusional fantasy story for 911 which you can't support with evidence, so you quote-mine and cherry-pick due to ignorance. You don't know the what is right or wrong, and you don't care. Your have a delusion 911 was some inside job you can't define.

Iron rich spheres are everywhere, they prove nothing, and they are not pure Fe. You lack the knowledge and research skills to figure out you are spreading nonsense.

Feel free to present evidence to support your failed claims.
Please present your evidence so I can help you get a Pulitzer.

 

[Christopher7]

You uneducated individuals realize that it's a museum right? There is no "confirming" temps when they put those signs up. Who uses quotes from a Museum as evidence? It wouldn't make it in a court room.

You are assuming that they don't know what they are doing. It did not occur to you that they had a qualified person make that determination before making that plaque. In a court of law they would call for that expert to look verify their conclusion.

 

[ergo]

You uneducated individuals realize that it's a museum right? There is no "confirming" temps when they put those signs up. Who uses quotes from a Museum as evidence? It wouldn't make it in a court room.

Not to overstate the point, but in fact, exhibit designers do tend to know a few things about their subject matter, as do curators. These people are usually highly educated and have extensive research and history backgrounds. Not sure what the case is for NYPD museum.

 

[ergo]

I think it's blatantly obvious that everything wasn't turned to dust in any sense

"Everything wasn't turned to dust..." ... "In any sense"?

Interesting way to express a negative. Like Shyam Sunder's "Everything was not instantaneous..."

 

[plague311]

You are assuming that they don't know what they are doing. It did not occur to you that they had a qualified person make that determination before making that plaque. In a court of law they would call for that expert to look verify their conclusion.

Incorrect, please don't tell me what I'm "assuming". I can speak for myself.

I am saying that the plaque isn't attempting to be 100% accurate. It's more for dramatic effect than accuracy.

 

[beachnut]

Not to overstate the point, but in fact, exhibit designers do tend to know a few things about their subject matter, as do curators. These people are usually highly educated and have extensive research and history backgrounds. Not sure what the case is for NYPD museum.

You are gullible and have no usable knowledge on 911.

Looks like you have no clue iron spheres are not evidence of thermite.
What did CBS news say about your vast pile of moronic lies and delusions?


JREF is a skeptics forum, not a gullible forum for people who repeat plagiarized lies mindlessly like you do.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/index.html
Don't do real research, it will ruin your moronic fantasy. What is your point related to iron spheres?

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/111ironoxideinbone.jpg

Iron rich sphere on bone. Your delusion of thermite is due to ignorance.

 

[plague311]

"Everything wasn't turned to dust..." ... "In any sense"?

Interesting way to express a negative. Like Shyam Sunder's "Everything was not instantaneous..."

If you would like to combat back and forth between who's posts use improper English we certainly may, but as a few twoofers have said before, if you're picking on my language than you should pay more attention to the message.

 

[Christopher7]

Incorrect, please don't tell me what I'm "assuming". I can speak for myself.

You assumed that they don't know what they are doing.

I am saying that the plaque isn't attempting to be 100% accurate. It's more for dramatic effect than accuracy.

Of course dear. The NYPD Museum was just being dramatic. [That's another assumption.]

 

[Christopher7]

If you would like to combat back and forth between who's posts use improper English we certainly may, but as a few twoofers have said before, if you're picking on my language than you should pay more attention to the message.

You were nit picking and playing with semantics. Yes, technically speaking, everything was not pulverized but the point that many witnesses made is valid.

Only children use words like "Twoofers".

 

[chrismohr]

Chris7 I looked again at this video (with David Chandler no less!).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChR1XcYhlw
I look at this and I see distinctly less dust ejections at the beginning and wider ejections a couple seconds later when the collapse picks up speed. The I look at a known explosive CD and bam! right out of the gate the dust flies horizontally big time. Richard Gage's Blueprint for Truth shows a diagram of how far ejections went from the collapsing building. I don't know if it's a valid diagram but it shows less ejections from the top floors and more and further-out ejections from the middle floors. Do we actually see different things based on our beliefs?

The only way to resolve the Police Museum plaque and the RJ Lee report is to go to the source and ask them. We could find out how much they actually knew when they said the things you and we quote. RJ Lee supports both sides (you: vaporized lead and molten iron; us: it's to be expected) so who wrote these words and how accurate are these contradictory claims? Then someone needs to talk to the police museum curator and find out why that plaque says what it says. Did they consult with metallurgists etc or did they just look at a concrete-encased gun and write it up? We have to get to the source of these statements and find out how much they really knew to have said these things. Until then we have a stalemate.

 

[plague311]

You assumed that they don't know what they are doing.

Of course dear. The NYPD Museum was just being dramatic. [That's another assumption.]

Your inability to comprehend is entertaining if nothing else. If I assumed anything it's that they going more for drama than for accuracy. That, in no way, says that they "don't know what they are doing." If anything it means they knew exactly what they were doing.

I forgot, only twoofers can make assumptions. Also, only children believe fairytales like Santa, the Easter Bunny, and 9/11 conspiracy theories.

 

[Myriad]

Do you actually think I am going to take you're speculation over what the plaque says on the wall?

Of course not. My completely plausible explanation disagrees with what you want to believe, so you will never accept it.

And I wouldn't ask you to, any more than I'd tell a five year old girl that her teddy bears aren't really drinking real tea at her tea party. I only explain for the benefit of others, who are interested in genuine real-world explanations for an interesting real-world artifact. Those who prefer let's-pretend games should by all means continue to play them.

"Melted concrete like lava" is what it says. Can you show me proof that the plaque has been deemed a mistake?

Yes, the proof is that the concrete is not vitrified.

That shows beyond a doubt that temperatures over 3000f were present at the WTC

Only in your let's-pretend game. In the real world the condition of the concrete and the encased gun are proof that it did not reach 3000°F.

....and that can account for the previous molten iron spheres that were created DURING the WTC Event"

Not in the real world, because there is no evidence that temperatures of 3000°F occurred, there is strong evidence directly against thermite (lack of aluminum oxide reaction product), and there is no need for such temperatures to explain the iron oxide spheres in the dust, since they form in ordinary wood and paper fires.

In truther pretend world, sure, whatever you say.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[chrismohr]

Easily. A video captures what actually happened. They taught you to conform in college.

Then you do the math before claiming that the top portion could pulverize the first floor it came in contact with. Remember that the plane hit at an angle and the damage was asymmetrical, spread out over several floors.

It was descending at about 2/3 the rate of gravity. Do the math or stop asking me to.

Pulverization occurred gradually. Gypsum was almost instantly pulverized but the concrete kept getting hit floor by floor before it was completely pulverized... another reason you can see less dust in the first couple seconds being ejected and more dust later. In the top of the debris pile you can see thousands of chunks of unpulverized concrete, not from the basements since it's above basement level but probably from the lower floors where there was no time for the collapse to fully pulverzize the concrete.

 

[NoahFence]

Easily. A video captures what actually happened. They taught you to conform in college.

Yes. Video quite vividly captured the moments of impact, the resulting fireball incinerating anything in its path, and the massive fires.

Video evidence that explosives played no part in the events of 9/11.

What's the going theory on the 4th building that is (we assume) still laden with these explosives 10 years later? Or are you people convinced that the government set out to attack a patch of grass in the middle of nowhere?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Do you actually think I am going to take you're speculation over what the plaque says on the wall? "Melted concrete like lava" is what it says. Can you show me proof that the plaque has been deemed a mistake?

We just told you it was!

That shows beyond a doubt that temperatures over 3000f were present at the WTC....and that can account for the previous molten iron spheres that were created DURING the WTC Event"

I doubt it, and since my doubt is worth every bit, and more, than your acceptance....

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Easily. A video captures what actually happened. They taught you to conform in college.

maybe thats what you did at college......I suspect weed played a large part of any schooling you received.....

Then you do the math before claiming that the top portion could pulverize the first floor it came in contact with. Remember that the plane hit at an angle and the damage was asymmetrical, spread out over several floors.

why would I do you work for you? You are making the assertions not I.
Why are twoofers so lazy?

It was descending at about 2/3 the rate of gravity. Do the math or stop asking me to.

super, now show that 2/3 gravity (nice to see twoofers have stopped saying it was freefall ) and again do your own work.........and I'll ask you as often as I please...............do the math!

 

[Christopher7]

only children believe fairytales like Santa, the Easter Bunny, and 9/11 conspiracy theories.

You have been told that OBL and 19 hijackers is a conspiracy theory but it does not register.

When two or more people plan a crime, that is a crime called conspiracy.

The FBI charged OBL with CONSPIRACY to murder Americans outside the U.S. but that did not charge him with 9/11 - that is just a THEORY.

 

[LSSBB]

You have been told that OBL and 19 hijackers is a conspiracy theory but it does not register.

When two or more people plan a crime, that is a crime called conspiracy.

The FBI charged OBL with CONSPIRACY to murder Americans outside the U.S. but that did not charge him with 9/11 - that is just a THEORY.

Who's organization was involved with the conspiracy, under which Zaccharias Moussaui was convicted in a court of law? No theory there, whether they got their marching orders directly from the Man at the Top or his right hand flunky.

ETA: By the way, this is all off topic.

 

[Christopher7]

Chris7 I looked again at this video (with David Chandler no less!).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChR1XcYhlw
I look at this and I see distinctly less dust ejections at the beginning and wider ejections a couple seconds later when the collapse picks up speed.

Only the color changes from black to gray but we will have to agree to disagree on that.

There are two things you did not comment on:

The explosions on the west side, above the impact point. Those are not caused by a collapse.

The top part is falling to one side yet the ejections are the same on both sides. That defies the laws of physics.

The only way to resolve the Police Museum plaque and the RJ Lee report is to go to the source and ask them. We could find out how much they actually knew when they said the things you and we quote.

You are not willing to accept that they know what they are talking about. You are not willing to accept any evidence of molten steel/iron.

RJ Lee supports both sides (you: vaporized lead and molten iron; us: it's to be expected)

No, it does not support both sides as I have noted several times.

They know that iron melts at 2800^oF and lead vaporizes [volatilize] at 3182^oF. Those are the high temperatures they are considering.

Considering the high temperatures reached during the destruction of
the WTC, the following three types of combustion products would be expected to be present in WTC Dust.

iron and lead were melted during the WTC event, producing spherical metallic particles.

The presence of lead oxide on the surface of mineral wool indicate the existence of extremely high temperatures during the collapse which caused metallic lead to volatilize, oxidize, and finally condense on the surface of the mineral wool.

so who wrote these words and how accurate are these contradictory claims?

Those statements are not contradictory. You are assuming that the RJ Lee Group doesn't know what they are talking about. That is denial. The problem is in your refusal to accept these scientific facts.

 

[Christopher7]

Who's organization was involved with the conspiracy, under which Zaccharias Moussaui was convicted in a court of law? No theory there, whether they got their marching orders directly from the Man at the Top or his right hand flunky.

ETA: By the way, this is all off topic.

They convicted Moussaui of conspiracy but there is no hard evidence that OBL was involved. That does not mean that he wasn't, only that it is just a theory.

Whenever dimwits badmouth "conspiracy theorists" I will remind them that the official story is a conspiracy theory.