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A friend of mine was terrified to face Kranz to ask his daughter out.

I can imagine Patrick's fear to face Kranz to tell Kranz he is a "perp" that faked Apollo.
Pure. Fear.
 
Yet another Aye here.

(To be honest, though, I do not expect anything from "Patrick". I was [virtually] present for his original thread on ApolloHoax, leading to ... certain ... opinions about his posts.)
 
Actually, In A Broad Sense It Should Have Been Obvious To Us All From The Get Go

How could anyone really miss the fact that these clowns were up to something? In the case of Apollo 11, one sees these ghost like images of God only knows who, filmed God only knows when and God only knows WHERE, surreally now semi-flitting, bogusly now bouncing semi-slow-mo-like across the most featureless plain imaginable. I know the first landing site was supposed to be a plum, but that one looked more polished and waxed than supermarket polished and waxed. Couldn't they have given us at least one BAM BAM Flinstone-esque fake decent sized boulder? I mean we only paid $130,000,000,000 for that dumb black and white movie. At least the Flinstones were in color.

Then, stumbling an bumbling Alan Bean points his imaginary tv camera at the pretended sun of the Apollo 12 Mission. So in that case we didn't get to see any "live" tv images of NASA's phony Sea of Storms, not a Pebble. Didn't they bring back some fake bacteria on that one? Should have told Al and Gordo to wash their hands.

Then, Gene Kranz conducted a crew of dazed , dumb and ever so naive 20 somethings through Apollo 13's ever so bogus script. A script which ostensibly featured our cislunar ragamuffins armed with a perfectly good tv camera that they simply could not use given the circumstances. More than a little suspicious, no?

I've heard about being camera shy, but this is ridiculous. And it WAS, quite literally ridiculous, in that it never actually occurred.

If one pauses to think about it, the bit about being camera shy is actually VERY incriminating. Recall those Apollo 8 tales about Borman, about how the commander was reluctant with respect to bringing a tv camera at all. But were any of this real, tv show or no, a genuine Apollo program would of course insist that the astronauts bring a television camera, not to show us anything, we the jerks that got ripped off, but to show the technical people this or that were there an emergency, or simply an important thing to make known visually in real-time. AND a real astronaut would WANT a tv camera for this reason, for safety's sake if nothing else. Borman is caught in yet another obvious lie of sorts there.

So common sense catches the clowns again. Like I keep saying, it ain't rocket science after all. Anyone can see right through this phony stuff in an instant if ya' just pause and think it through.

Absolutely disgusting, and THAT is the understatement of the 20th/21st Century.......
 
Oh I Just Had The Most Spectacularly Splendid Idea Come To Mind, The O2 Warning Stuff

You know how when you watch those silly tv shows about hospitals and doctors and nurses like ER, or HOUSE, or St. ELSEWHERE, or BEN CASEY, or MARCUS WELBY, or GREY'S ANATOMY, or daytime tv drams where everyone in the hospital is wearing O2 delivering nasal cannula, you know how they are such sticklers for detail, those tv set technical crews, always getting everything exactly right, well not the daytime tv guys, but the other guys, you know what I am talking about.....

Ever see a warning sign on one of those tv sets referencing the dangers of O2? For those of you that don't frequent hospitals, real hospitals similarly lack such warnings signs. It is just like television in that respect.

The ER technical crew couldn't have got it wrong now could they?
 
It's All So Very Very Fake To Begin With.....,

and therefore ever so altogether the same regardless. Nevertheless, the fraud does hold a certain fascination for us all. Why else spend so much time studying that which did not happen?

Andrew Smith's book MOON DUST (Blumsbury 2005) is a fabulous fabulous read. The book is an extraordinarily well presented telling of the Apollo astronauts' lives post 1972. It is a chronicle and study of their struggles in life after the phony Apollo missions.

Page 116 of the book features some poignant words from the good Doctor Aldrin. Here, Aldrin laments the pilot's loss of control in the setting of the 60s American manned spaced missions. Buzz emphasizes how the Apollo 13 crew had no idea as to what went on. Pretending to "vent" this that or the other gas would be of little "help" given the staged circumstances. It was up to the ground crew, and so that would have been Liebergot and Burton along with their help, to determine what had "wounded" 13.

Well of course nothing really happened. But isn't it interesting that this phony Apollo science has a life all its own? Mostly due to the fact that Apollo was a part of real American occult military programs, and so not "phony", but rather instead quite credible, in an absolute sense. But the propagation of "Apollo science" also was and is still, due in large part to the principals having to really buy in. Not to say that Buzz thought any of this was "real". He didn't act so much that he ultimately lost it and found himself believing/living the Apollo Lie. That did not occur. But Buzz could/can never come out of character, as is the case with the other astronauts, unless ironically they met/meet together and are so then able to secretly confide in one another as to how difficult it is/was to keep such a mind blowing lie not a very well kept secret.

I am sure other Lost bird Thread readers have seen that fascinating photo of Aldrin, Armstrong and Conrad watching tv at Jim Lovell's house with Marilyn Lovell, watching THE NEWS coverage of Apollo 13. Armstrong is sitting on the arm of a chair or couch. One can see it in his his eyes, "What am I doing here? How in the world did I ever get myself suckered into this nonsense?"

And once that deep in, there would be almost no way for Armstrong to get out. Imagine what he was told was at stake for him to do this? It must have been so very incredible. Literally, the fate of the world in Armstrong's hands; "Pretend you landed on the moon Neil, we need you to do this because the fate of the western world is at stake......"

"WOW!!!!" is all one can think, "WOW WOW WOW WOW...."

I imagine were Armstrong to be given another chance, if he could turn back the clock, he would almost without question choose to NOT participate in the Apollo Program fraud. If Neil Armstrong could do it all over again, he would choose to NOT be the first man pretending to land on the moon. I suspect he lives in a great deal of pain, as do they all, but especially their "leader".
 
Patrick1000 said:
Suit yourself Jay, cannot wait to hear back about the "signage all around" as you like to say. Nursing stations, patient rooms, Telemetry wards, ventilator sites. Give me something. Doesn't have to be a wall feed, though that was my claim. I'll take anything from you guys at this desperate point to help you save face. DANGER OXYGEN!!!!!!

I am waiting for the SPECIFICS regarding reports on hospitals from your side. I have given mine. And stand by it. Any nurses out there, physical therapists, respiratory therapists , other docs, friends of Jay that might be able to rescue him here and tell us all about the O2 warning signs in hospitals?

Looking pretty bleak for you there Jay, almost as bad as Apollo 13 itself.....
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I had lunch with my cousin today. She's a phlebotomist at a large (575 bed) local hospital; she's also a part-time nursing student. She regularly visits all the patient areas (ER, ICU, pediatrics, standard rooms, etc.) to draw blood, and she told me there are various types of oxygen warning signs all over the hospital. I knew that was the case, but I asked her anyway, just to humor you. And I didn't tell her why I was asking until after she'd given me a detailed answer.

I also have a couple of friends who are doctors, but I haven't bothered them with any of your medical claims about Apollo, or your oxygen claims, because they're busy (for obvious reasons), plus it's your burden to prove those claims, and not anyone else's to disprove. But I'll be seeing them in a couple of months, at a week-long get-together hosted this year by another friend of ours. I'm planning to discuss your theories (I use the term loosely) with them; I expect that they'll find you and your assertions amusing.
 
I believe the bone of contention has to do with warning signs...

nomuse said:
I also wanted to draw attention to Patrick's seeming notion that hospital patient care areas are filled with sparky switches, wandering extension cords, ungrounded appliances and all that sort of ordinary domestic electrical mayhem:

http://www.mdsr.ecri.org/summary/detail.aspx?doc_id=8286

http://www.rch.org.au/bme_rch/safety.cfm?doc_id=4698


Heck, even as a patient one notices that the wall outlets don't look the same as they do at home.
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I believe the bone of contention has to do with warning signs about O2 nomuse....Seen any lately, "O2 IN USE DANGER ASTRONAUTS ON DUTY" ?
 
Patrick1000 said:
How could anyone really miss the fact that these clowns were up to something?
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Because they know more about it than you do, and can easily demonstrate that knowledge where you cannot.

So common sense catches the clowns again.
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Common sense, the way you use it, is a euphemism for uninformed intuition. All the relevant qualified experts agree that the Apollo missions are real. Your only defense against that reality has been to plead that the experts are somehow not experts.

Like I keep saying, it ain't rocket science after all.
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Then you should probably stop bringing rocket science into it. You were asked six days ago to compute the likelihood that PTFE would ignite in the Apollo 13 circumstances. The world is waiting, Patrick...

Anyone can see right through this phony stuff in an instant if ya' just pause and think it through.
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But you don't think it through. You go off on some knee-jerk reaction and then have to vigorously backpedal when you're proven wrong. Meanwhile everyone who can demonstrate that they have thought it through manages to come up with a conclusion entirely different than yours.

Absolutely disgusting, and THAT is the understatement of the 20th/21st Century.......
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Overcooked dramatics noted.
 
Patrick1000 said:
I believe the bone of contention has to do with warning signs about O2 nomuse...
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No, it has to do with the recognition that higher concentrations of oxygen present a greater risk of combustion, and that this risk is notably recognized in hospitals, where higher concentrations of oxygen are common.

Good grief, are you still trying to win this petty detail?
 
Patrick1000 said:
I imagine were Armstrong to be given another chance, if he could turn back the clock, he would...
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Just like you imagined that all the past Presidents of the United States would agree with your self-flagellant politics.

Really, Patrick, it's been eight months. Why haven't you looked up what it means to beg the question?
 
Patrick, stop playing your banjo all by yourself (you don't play very well) and put up or shut up.
 
I think that is great,

SpitfireIX said:
I had lunch with my cousin today. She's a phlebotomist at a large (575 bed) local hospital; she's also a part-time nursing student. She regularly visits all the patient areas (ER, ICU, pediatrics, standard rooms, etc.) to draw blood, and she told me there are various types of oxygen warning signs all over the hospital. I knew that was the case, but I asked her anyway, just to humor you. And I didn't tell her why I was asking until after she'd given me a detailed answer.

I also have a couple of friends who are doctors, but I haven't bothered them with any of your medical claims about Apollo, or your oxygen claims, because they're busy (for obvious reasons), plus it's your burden to prove those claims, and not anyone else's to disprove. But I'll be seeing them in a couple of months, at a week-long get-together hosted this year by another friend of ours. I'm planning to discuss your theories (I use the term loosely) with them; I expect that they'll find you and your assertions amusing.
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I think that is great. Ask your cousin about the specifics. what do the O2 warning signs say and where are they located? It shall be of great interest to us all I am sure.....
 
It is indeed a rather silly distraction,, the hospital oxygen issue....

JayUtah said:
No, it has to do with the recognition that higher concentrations of oxygen present a greater risk of combustion, and that this risk is notably recognized in hospitals, where higher concentrations of oxygen are common.

Good grief, are you still trying to win this petty detail?
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It is indeed a rather silly distraction,, the hospital oxygen issue....That said, just to be clear, I believe my point was the use of oxygen is ubiquitous throughout our medical center and all others, yet we work comfortably without fear something is going to blow, catch fire and with regard to what seems to be your sides difficulty with all of this, there are no signs in patients rooms, wall feed sites, no signs near or on vents, no signs at nursing stations warning of O2's dangers.

We need not go round and round. If someone from your side has a concrete example, a posting of a warning at a feed site, a nursing station , what have you, let me know. There are no such warning signs where I work, and have never seen them in our medical center over the course of working here many years. Likewise, I have not seen such warning signs in other hospitals.

Obviously, stored oxygen, oxygen in tanks and what not needs to be labeled as a potential hazard.
 
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