Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[twinstead]

Ha ha. I am consciously aware, I can assure you. Svali (or someone else who described mind control in a video I watched) said that her mother wasn't aware of being mind controlled, and would even deny it when it was pointed out to her that she was spoken to in German and she didn't know any German in her ordinary personality. Her mother's alter knew the German language, but she was totally unaware of that such alter existed. So when in altered state, the mind controlled members are not consciously aware! Pretty scary stuff.

How can you be sure you're not a victim of mind control? You may simply not be aware of being mind controlled.

 

[JayUtah]

A radio interview is not a legal court.

Dodge number four. Burden of proof is not a concept limited to law. It is present in logic and in all forms of argumentation. You accept already that burden of proof applies to this question, since you suggest that those who believe the story to be made up should prove it.

I am asking you again: who should have the burden of proof in this case, and why?

 

[JayUtah]

Ha ha. I am consciously aware, I can assure you. Svali (or someone else who described mind control in a video I watched) said that her mother wasn't aware of being mind controlled...

Circular. If someone who is under mind control cannot be aware that he is under mind control, then his own judgment is not proof of what factors may be affecting him.

Prove that you are not under mind control, keeping mind that you've already stipulated that you wouldn't be able to discern this yourself if you were.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Mind control might seem like an unlikely thing, but I did some research about it and it seems to be a HUGE topic throughout history. And it's understandable that for example spies have been mind controlled in the past to be able to keep secrets. If the members of the cabal are mind controlled, then it would be really good to deprogram those members and dissolve the shadow cabal into the public society, WITHOUT legal prosecutions and things like that.

There are several types of mind control. The members of the cabal, as Svali described in the video I posted above, get totally mind controlled already as children. So there could be people working in society as seemingly ordinary people but that are members of the cabal, a shadow society that perpetuates itself almost unconsciously. So it could be very a serious situation.

With the risk of appearing totally crazy here is an example of the shadow society in operation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U6KBtzoxp8

Not only the camera man, but also the person in front of the camera who uses his cell phone seconds before the second 'plane' impact. I know, this seems like an extremely crazy idea, but I seriously believe it's true.

 

[Anders Lindman]

How can you be sure you're not a victim of mind control? You may simply not be aware of being mind controlled.

Because I have a continuous memory of being consciously aware. Sure, during deep dreamless sleep I can't tell, but nor can anybody else about their life! The members of the cabal are mind controlled in their ordinary roles, so that's something that can be ruled out in my case.

Svali, and her husband, were only mind controlled during the night, but there were signs of being tired during the day etc. I don't find anything in Svali's story that match my own life. Svali was a programmer, meaning she programmed the other members in the cabal, so she had a special role. Most of the members are probably mind controlled during their ordinary daily lives.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Dodge number four. Burden of proof is not a concept limited to law. It is present in logic and in all forms of argumentation. You accept already that burden of proof applies to this question, since you suggest that those who believe the story to be made up should prove it.

I am asking you again: who should have the burden of proof in this case, and why?

I did answer. Look at the '<--- answer'

 

[Anders Lindman]

Circular. If someone who is under mind control cannot be aware that he is under mind control, then his own judgment is not proof of what factors may be affecting him.

Prove that you are not under mind control, keeping mind that you've already stipulated that you wouldn't be able to discern this yourself if you were.

See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7968124&postcount=725

 

[R.A.F.]

Mind control might seem like an unlikely thing, but I did some research about it and it seems to be a HUGE topic throughout history.

How is that relevant to deciding the validity of "mind control"?? I can name numerous "topics" throughout history that were completely wrong.

There are several types of mind control.

You are making an absolute statement which is not evidenced. First, you must demonstrate the actual existence of this so called "mind control"...then, and onl;y then can you begin to talk about different "types".

With the risk of appearing totally crazy.

Embarrassment hasn't stopped you before...

I know, this seems like an extremely crazy idea...

Think about that statement...you understand it's "crazy".

...but I seriously believe it's true.

Belief is irrelevant, evidence is not. Provide evidence for your mind control ideas, and we will listen.

So far, what you have posted is just so much noise.

 

[JayUtah]

I did answer. Look at the '<--- answer'

Dodge number five.

So you agree that there is a burden of proof involved. And since you have no intention of addressing my explanation for why the receiver of the story cannot bear the burden of proof, I can happily conclude that you agree that the teller of the story has the burden of proof but you're too much of a troll to admit it.

 

[Anders Lindman]

How is that relevant to deciding the validity of "mind control"?? I can name numerous "topics" throughout history that were completely wrong.




You are making an absolute statement which is not evidenced. First, you must demonstrate the actual existence of this so called "mind control"...then, and onl;y then can you begin to talk about different "types".




Embarrassment hasn't stopped you before...




Think about that statement...you understand it's "crazy".




Belief is irrelevant, evidence is not. Provide evidence for your mind control ideas, and we will listen.

So far, what you have posted is just so much noise.

Check out MK Ultra for example. That's CIA stuff. It's officially admitted. The cabal mind control is more secret obviously but there are witnesses to even that such as Svali I posted about earlier. Here is an MK Ultra witness testimony: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7461738120783343519

"Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien expose the Federal Government's involvement in Mind Control projects, research, and abuse of its' own people. This is the National Shame of the United States Federal Goverment. Mark and Cathy tell all and underscore the insensitivity and involvement of our national leaders, judges, doctors, and many others to this nightmarish horror it has inflicted upon millions of people in the United States. Mark touches on the sources and history of mind control while Cathy unveils publicly the horrors she and her family have been subjected to, horrors which continue to this day. Her story will not only infuriate you, but will educate you to the reality of US mind control. "

 

[JayUtah]

See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7968124&postcount=725

Fail. Here you simply claim you'd be aware of it, but you already disavowed that. You've argued that you were not mind-controlled such that you exhibited the same symptoms as other people who were allegedly mind-controlled. Since the symptoms of mind control are not well defined and are subjectively validated and invalidated, how can you assert this proves you are not under mind control? Why haven't you simply been brainwashed not to notice whatever symptoms there might be?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Dodge number five.

So you agree that there is a burden of proof involved. And since you have no intention of addressing my explanation for why the receiver of the story cannot bear the burden of proof, I can happily conclude that you agree that the teller of the story has the burden of proof but you're too much of a troll to admit it.

What dodge are you talking about? My answer is that nobody has any burden of proof in the radio interviews with David Sale. To clarify: IF you, as Craig4 did, claim that Sale is making up information, then the burden of proof is on YOU, but that's only if you make such claim. Is that clear enough for you?

 

[R.A.F.]

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[JayUtah]

IF you, as Craig4 did, claim that Sale is making up information, then the burden of proof is on YOU

What would be suitable proof that someone has simply made up a story?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Fail. Here you simply claim you'd be aware of it, but you already disavowed that. You've argued that you were not mind-controlled such that you exhibited the same symptoms as other people who were allegedly mind-controlled. Since the symptoms of mind control are not well defined and are subjectively validated and invalidated, how can you assert this proves you are not under mind control? Why haven't you simply been brainwashed not to notice whatever symptoms there might be?

At least I'm not mind controlled in cabal sense of having the entire ordinary daily life mind controlled. Because cabal members have roles in society where they work directly for the cabal. I do NOT work for the cabal, at least not directly. My continuous memory of NOT working for the cabal is evidence for this. There are many types of mind control, and some conspiracy researchers even claim that people can be mind controlled through television and movies etc. But the mind control in the case of the members of the cabal is a very thorough and total kind of mind control, beyond even MK Ultra and things like that.

 

[Craig4]

The truth is that I don't know if David Sale was telling the truth or not in those interviews. Do you know? IF you claim you do, as Craig4 did, then the burden of proof is on YOU.

Sale made a very outlandish claim and failed to provide evidence. Absent evidence to support his claim we may assume he is a liar and a fraud.

 

[Craig4]

At least I'm not mind controlled in cabal sense of having the entire ordinary daily life mind controlled. snip.

No, you just like being made a fool of by every whack-a-do with a youtube account. Sounds like a pretty good definition of mind control to me.

 

[R.A.F.]

What would be suitable proof that someone has simply made up a story?

Well, I googled "Mark Phillips" and found a link to The true story of Mark Phillips.

...It was on David Icke's website...


Need I say more??




eta...I was going to provide a link....but don't want to give Icke the "business".

 

[Anders Lindman]

What would be suitable proof that someone has simply made up a story?

Depends of what story it is. In the case of David Shale he mentioned that huge amounts of gold, millions of tons more than is officially reported, exist all over the world. If it can be shown that no such gold exists, then at least it can be shown that the information is false.

 

[JayUtah]

At least I'm not mind controlled in cabal sense of having the entire ordinary daily life mind controlled.

So you claim. I'm asking you to prove that your entire daily life is not mind-controlled. How would you know it if it were? Would you be mind-controlled to believe that whatever you're doing is what you chose to do?

Because cabal members have roles in society where they work directly for the cabal. I do NOT work for the cabal, at least not directly.

Prove that your role in society is not what the cabal has in mind for you to do.

My continuous memory of NOT working for the cabal is evidence for this.

Prove that your memory is continuous, and not just appearing so to you from your subjective standpoint.

But the mind control in the case of the members of the cabal is a very thorough and total kind of mind control, beyond even MK Ultra and things like that.

Straw man. I asked you to prove that you were not mind-controlled, not that you were not mind-controlled only in one specific way. Alternatively, prove that the cabalistic mind control you speak of has exactly the properties you attribute to it, and cannot have others.