Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

Possibly not, although I will say this; personnel who are chosen to attend the Army War College (and it's by no means a sure thing) are generally at least O-4 or above. It's considered a senior school. And given that Mr. Sabrosky has not indicated one way or another what his rank was in the Marines, I again point to the ten-year figure and state that it is HIGHLY unlikely that he was much more than an O-3, assuming he was an officer at all. If he was enlisted, his chance of attending the Army War College drops to zero; the college is for officers, not enlisted. Enlisted personnel have their own senior schools which officers do not attend (reason being, enlisted responsibilities are generally vastly different from officer responsibilities, so it is necessary to train them separately).

I would settle, at this point, for any physical evidence (such as a graduation certificate, or a transcript of his courses) to indicate his presence at the War College. At this point, I call BS on his being Director of ANYTHING at the college, but I suppose it's possible he at least attended the college. However, I will not accept his presence there without PROOF, of which none has been provided.

Edit: From the War College Program Overview website:

Our students are largely military officers, who range in rank from senior captains (O3s) with 8-10 years of experience through lieutenant generals (O9s) with 30-35 years of experience. Our students include not only Army officers, but also officers from the U.S. Air Force, U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Marine Corps, and U.S. Navy; international officers; and senior civilians from key agencies throughout the U.S. Government. All students are carefully selected from within their parent organizations; the USAWC does not independently enroll students.

Upon program completion, many graduates begin operating in the national strategic or theater strategic environment-either directly or as advisers to the senior leadership of the Armed Forces, the Department of Defense, other governmental agencies, or in foreign militaries. A select number of graduates eventually will assume the most senior leadership positions within their organizations, leading them at the strategic level.
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Given his supposed time in service, Mr. Sabrosky would have to have gotten out of the military immediately after attending the War College; given that, I find it highly unlikely that he would have been recommended to attend in the first place. The whole point of attending the War College is to put the skills to use in official work, as outlined above. Mr. Sabrosky has not, apparently, done so, aside from his apparently fraudulent claim of being the "Director of Studies" at the War College.
 
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alienentity said:
You must be very naive to believe everything a person claims without doing any fact checking. That's how people get fooled by liars, dude. Now, if you want to get fooled, you go right ahead - don't say you weren't warned!

There isn't a shred of evidence this guy was ever a director of anything at the War College. All you have is his word.

However, when you examine even one of his claims - for example that none of the hijackers were competent to fly a jet - we can easily show that to be false by:
a) viewing copies of their Commercial Pilot qualifications
b) verify that they did in fact have simulation training (which is valid training, btw)


What can you provide about Alan Sabrosky?

Sincerely,
Alienentity
Director of Mythology Studies
University of Guanophrenia
E. Peoria, WI ;)
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That's funny. Adam Holland says Sabrosky did work as "Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College." but Sabrosky saying that he was a former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College is somehow aggrandizing his position?



"Alan Sabrosky bills himself as the former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College. He has made quite a name for himself in recent months by first declaring himself a military expert with high-level connections in the U.S. military hierarchy, then by outrageously claiming that Israel was responsible for 9/11 and that the U.S. military knows this and is concealing it. While he offers no evidence for this, he claims that he should be trusted because of his expertise. The truth of the matter -- with respect to both his background and his claims -- is quite different, of course. Sabrosky has deliberately inflated his role in the military and has used that ruse to promote a hateful, fact-free conspiracy theory. In fact, while he did work as an administrator at the U.S. Army War College, he was not, as his job title seems to indicate, the director or dean of the college. Far from it. According to the Press Office of the Army War College, in the mid-1980s, Sabrosky served as a civilian administrator at a research department of the college, supervising the publication of papers written within that department. His job title was "Director of Studies" because he supervised publishing studies done within a department of the college. He was a mid-level civilian manager at a military college, without access to the sort of highly classified material of the sort he now fraudulently claims to have. Moreover, since his employment at that school was about 25 years ago, his employment there would provide him with no special insights with respect to 9/11. How on earth could someone who worked on the level of a college librarian in the 1980s be privy to top secret information revealing a vast hidden conspiracy? And how on earth could he be the only person to know about it or think it worth revealing?"

And this is funny:

"Opposition from truthers, support from anti-Zionists

Some in the 9/11 Truth movement have quite sensibly pointed out that Sabrosky's conspiracy theory is not only factually false and illogical, but that's it's also bigoted. (Read here.) Amusingly, they deduce from this that Sabrosky must be an agent provocateur working with a conspiracy to discredit the other, more sensible, conspiracy theorists. They think that Sabrosky is a one-man false-flag operation!"

But you seem to swallow it all - lock, stock and two smoking barrels

The video you linked to; Iranian tv (shock!). Main stream media wont touch him with asbestos gloves even - he is a bigot, a anti-semittic lunatic with a grandeur complex, and a chip on his shoulder that is larger than Mount Sinai.

And still you regards his rantings as true.
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Source:

http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010...f-us-jews.html
 
I find it hilarious that you are quoting a website that debunks your claim to start with.

"Director of Studies" is apparently a very junior position at the college, if it in fact exists. There is no indication that the position (assuming Mr. Holland is correct in his assessment) is of any importance and certainly would not have put him as being privy to any classified information. Moreover, if in fact his employment there was 25 years ago, I would beg to know how he has any insight into what CURRENT members of the military may think about 9/11. Also, by necessity, NOTHING at the War College would have been classified; it's not like the National Intelligence University, or any of the other colleges which offer degrees in intelligence related studies. At best, he could have potentially had access to information classified FOUO, or For Official Use Only, but it is highly unlikely that extremely sensitive, Top-Secret classified information would have been found at that college.
 
Sabrina said:
I would settle, at this point, for any physical evidence (such as a graduation certificate, or a transcript of his courses) to indicate his presence at the War College. At this point, I call BS on his being Director of ANYTHING at the college, but I suppose it's possible he at least attended the college. However, I will not accept his presence there without PROOF, of which none has been provided.
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He did publish a paper in Parameters, the Army War College Journal: http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/Parameters/Articles/1989/1989 sabrosky.pdf

His bio blurb says he had time in the Marine Corps in Vietnam.

It also does state he was Director of Studies, however at the Strategic Studies Institute. It does say he was holder of the MacArthur Chair of Research at the War College.

Not to defend Clayton. That's just what the record shows. I find the views he has shown recently as reprehensible, and all I can figure is he must have got whacked in the head playing touch football with the grandkids. I have not seen any proof presented by him to defend his viewpoint.
 
LSSBB said:
He did publish a paper in Parameters, the Army War College Journal: http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/Parameters/Articles/1989/1989 sabrosky.pdf

His bio blurb says he had time in the Marine Corps in Vietnam.

It also does state he was Director of Studies, however at the Strategic Studies Institute. It does say he was holder of the MacArthur Chair of Research at the War College.

Not to defend Clayton. That's just what the record shows. I find the views he has shown recently as reprehensible, and all I can figure is he must have got whacked in the head playing touch football with the grandkids. I have not seen any proof presented by him to defend his viewpoint.
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If the guy is just a goofball why is Holland trying and lying to besmirch Sabrosky's career and background?
 
Clayton Moore said:
If the guy is just a goofball why is Holland trying and lying to besmirch Sabrosky's career and background?
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Because it doesn't add up that a dude with a PhD is running around saying "The Joos Didit" with no proof whatsoever that they did or a coherent and rational explanation for how, especially when we have overwhelming evidence that 9/11 was the work of Al Qaeda operatives.

Mossad did it? Show me the proof.
 
LSSBB said:
He did publish a paper in Parameters, the Army War College Journal: http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/Parameters/Articles/1989/1989 sabrosky.pdf

His bio blurb says he had time in the Marine Corps in Vietnam.

It also does state he was Director of Studies, however at the Strategic Studies Institute. It does say he was holder of the MacArthur Chair of Research at the War College.

Not to defend Clayton. That's just what the record shows. I find the views he has shown recently as reprehensible, and all I can figure is he must have got whacked in the head playing touch football with the grandkids. I have not seen any proof presented by him to defend his viewpoint.
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I cannot find any independent confirmation that he held the MacArthur Chair.
 
Thank you LSSBB.

See, that's documented evidence I can get behind. Okay, so he was definitely at the War College; I concede that point. What position he held exactly is still somewhat up for debate, I see, but he was at the War College. Good enough.

I still cannot concede any points regarding his knowledge (or lack thereof) regarding how senior military officials (and as a side note, those officials aren't likely to be found at the War College; they're more likely to be at the Pentagon) in TODAY'S military all believe the "joos didit". I can't speak for any senior officials who were in the military at the same time as Mr. Sabrosky, or who were at the War College at the same time either, but I would say it is fairly evident that there would be no way for Mr. Sabrosky to know what current top military officials know or speculate about 9/11. By the time 9/11 happened, Mr. Sabrosky was long gone from the War College and was arguably no longer affiliated with the military (does anyone know what his job was when 9/11 actually happened?), and probably did not hold the necessary security clearance to know anything beyond U//FOUO information at the time of 9/11.

So explain to me, Clayton, why you take this man at his word when some simple investigation pokes such large holes in his story?
 
LSSBB said:
He did publish a paper in Parameters, the Army War College Journal: http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/Parameters/Articles/1989/1989 sabrosky.pdf

His bio blurb says he had time in the Marine Corps in Vietnam.

It also does state he was Director of Studies, however at the Strategic Studies Institute. It does say he was holder of the MacArthur Chair of Research at the War College.

Not to defend Clayton. That's just what the record shows. I find the views he has shown recently as reprehensible, and all I can figure is he must have got whacked in the head playing touch football with the grandkids. I have not seen any proof presented by him to defend his viewpoint.
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http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/ca1ed6af1f65c82a?pli=1
Alan Sabrosky is a writer and consultant specializing in national and
international security affairs. In December 1988, he received the Superior
Civilian Service Award after more than five years of service at the U.S.
Army War College as Director of Studies, Strategic Studies Institute, and
holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research. He is listed in WHO'S WHO IN THE EAST (23rd ed.). A Marine Corps Vietnam veteran and a 1986 graduate of the U.S. Army War College, Dr. Sabrosky's teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University; while in government service, he held concurrent adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). Dr. Sabrosky has lectured widely on defense and foreign affairs in the United States and abroad.

The description of Dr. Sabrosky (born 1941) taken from his 1989 paper
entitled,
<http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/parameters/1989/1989%20sabrosky.pdf> "Of
Smoke and Mirrors: Grand Strategy by Commission," shows that he has
excellent credentials to support his positions.

Dr. Alan Ned Sabrosky (Ph.D., University of Michigan) is a military affairs
writer and consultant. He was formerly Director of Studies, Strategic
Studies Institute, and also holder of the General of the Army Douglas
MacArthur Chair of Research at the U.S. Army War College. A Marine during the Vietnam War, he has taught at West Point and is a 1986 graduate of the Army War College. He has published ten books and monographs and over 80 articles and reviews on defense and foreign policy.
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Wow! Even though your info was correct you grudgingly posted a smattering of what was supplied in the pdf. What's that about?


Seems Dr. Sabrosky was accomplished and in the loop long before 9/11.
 
That's funny. Adam Holland says Sabrosky did work as "Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College." but Sabrosky saying that he was a former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College is somehow aggrandizing his position?
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One lie at a time Clayton, please.

You have two different theories.
A) He attended the War College
and
B) He worked at the war college.


Please pick one and produce proof of it.


And just out of curiosity, why did you lie about this passage:

Adam Holland says Sabrosky did work as "Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College."
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I see nowhere that says Adam Holland said Sabrosky worked as Director of Studies.
 
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At this point we can concede that he was indeed a Director of Studies at the War College, I think.

What I personally would like to know is exactly what the duties of that position are, if it is still in existence (I could not find evidence of it on the Strategic Studies Institute site of the War College).
 
LSSBB said:
Because it doesn't add up that a dude with a PhD is running around saying "The Joos Didit" with no proof whatsoever that they did or a coherent and rational explanation for how, especially when we have overwhelming evidence that 9/11 was the work of Al Qaeda operatives.

Mossad did it? Show me the proof.
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Listen to the video.
 
Sabrina said:
At this point we can concede that he was indeed a Director of Studies at the War College, I think.

What I personally would like to know is exactly what the duties of that position are, if it is still in existence (I could not find evidence of it on the Strategic Studies Institute site of the War College).
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I was wondering what the Strategic Studies Institue was also, and I think you may have to contact the War College because his paper was published quite a while ago and it may have been renamed, moved or eliminated since.
 
LSSBB said:
Because it doesn't add up that a dude with a PhD is running around saying "The Joos Didit" with no proof whatsoever that they did or a coherent and rational explanation for how, especially when we have overwhelming evidence that 9/11 was the work of Al Qaeda operatives.

Mossad did it? Show me the proof.
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There are many Ph.D.s speaking out, publicly, that 9/11 was not the result of 19 Arabs hijacking four jet airliners.

As long a people bleat "Oh you think the joos Didit" the Zionists, the neocons, and their Mossad are home free. Just what do people think the Mossad has been up to for the past 60 years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad#History
 
Clayton Moore said:
There are many Ph.D.s speaking out, publicly, that 9/11 was not the result of 19 Arabs hijacking four jet airliners.

As long a people bleat "Oh you think the joos Didit" the Zionists, the neocons, and their Mossad are home free. Just what do people think the Mossad has been up to for the past 60 years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad#History
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I took an early lesson in scepticism from the Goodies - a British comedy.

Tim: "Look at this! Nine out of every ten doctors agree that people who don't eat Sunbeam sliced bread will get squashed by elephants!"
Graeme: "That's right. Mind you, it did take us a long time to find the right nine doctors, woo hoo hoo (makes loony signal) ... and the elephants!"
 
Clayton Moore said:
Maybe you'll learn that Cheney was directing war games on 9/11.
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Um, no, CHENEY was directing NO war games on 9/11.

The MILITARY was conducting various war games on 9/11; that is a matter of public record. But the Vice President has absolutely nothing to do with war games.
 
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