Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[beachnut]

Last time I looked, if a person says he is the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College and, he is indeed the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College, then he is Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College.

He was a clerk, he was in charge of nothing. He now has delusions on 911, an insane person, you think was director, but he filed papers, papers done by military officers. The guy was a clerk - like Hitler, a do nothing nutter who makes up stories and fools people with hate and lies. You were fooled. You failed to comprehend the posts which are trying to warn you latched on to woo from another idiot on 911. A bigot who lies has fooled you.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Uh...? First of all - he is not jewish; he simply have some jewish relatives:

"To my displeasure and my shame, because I have some Jewish relatives -- none of whom is Zionist -- a large majority of American Jews give their allegiance to a foreign country."

About his credentials:

"Alan Sabrosky bills himself as the former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College. He has made quite a name for himself in recent months by first declaring himself a military expert with high-level connections in the U.S. military hierarchy, then by outrageously claiming that Israel was responsible for 9/11 and that the U.S. military knows this and is concealing it. While he offers no evidence for this, he claims that he should be trusted because of his expertise. The truth of the matter -- with respect to both his background and his claims -- is quite different, of course. Sabrosky has deliberately inflated his role in the military and has used that ruse to promote a hateful, fact-free conspiracy theory. In fact, while he did work as an administrator at the U.S. Army War College, he was not, as his job title seems to indicate, the director or dean of the college. Far from it. According to the Press Office of the Army War College, in the mid-1980s, Sabrosky served as a civilian administrator at a research department of the college, supervising the publication of papers written within that department. His job title was "Director of Studies" because he supervised publishing studies done within a department of the college. He was a mid-level civilian manager at a military college, without access to the sort of highly classified material of the sort he now fraudulently claims to have. Moreover, since his employment at that school was about 25 years ago, his employment there would provide him with no special insights with respect to 9/11. How on earth could someone who worked on the level of a college librarian in the 1980s be privy to top secret information revealing a vast hidden conspiracy? And how on earth could he be the only person to know about it or think it worth revealing?"

And this is funny:

"Opposition from truthers, support from anti-Zionists

Some in the 9/11 Truth movement have quite sensibly pointed out that Sabrosky's conspiracy theory is not only factually false and illogical, but that's it's also bigoted. (Read here.) Amusingly, they deduce from this that Sabrosky must be an agent provocateur working with a conspiracy to discredit the other, more sensible, conspiracy theorists. They think that Sabrosky is a one-man false-flag operation!"

But you seem to swallow it all - lock, stock and two smoking barrels

The video you linked to; Iranian tv (shock!). Main stream media wont touch him with asbestos gloves even - he is a bigot, a anti-semittic lunatic with a grandeur complex, and a chip on his shoulder that is larger than Mount Sinai.

And still you regards his rantings as true.

Source:

http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010/05/alan-sabrosky-large-majority-of-us-jews.html

This Adam Holland, is he the marketing scammer/shill that showed up when I googled his name?

 

[minnemouse]

This Adam Holland, is he the marketing scammer/shill that showed up when I googled his name?

Out of arguments, Clayton? No clever youtube vids that can "argue" against what Holland writes? Gotcha; it must be difficult for you.

What ever name you call him, he has got sources (Yup I know you dont like those!) for every thing he claims about this so called "jewish ex-marine". Even interviews with the non-jewish jew of yours.

 

[Clayton Moore]

He was a clerk, he was in charge of nothing. He now has delusions on 911, an insane person, you think was director, but he filed papers, papers done by military officers. The guy was a clerk - like Hitler, a do nothing nutter who makes up stories and fools people with hate and lies. You were fooled. You failed to comprehend the posts which are trying to warn you latched on to woo from another idiot on 911. A bigot who lies has fooled you.

Biography

Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/sabrosky/

 

[Clayton Moore]

Out of arguments, Clayton? No clever youtube vids that can "argue" against what Holland writes? Gotcha; it must be difficult for you.

What ever name you call him, he has got sources (Yup I know you dont like those!) for every thing he claims about this so called "jewish ex-marine". Even interviews with the non-jewish jew of yours.

So Holland is just a marketing scammer?

If not please provide something substantive from his resume.

Something like Alan's.

Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College.

 

[erwinl]

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http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/sabrosky/

Where does that say he is a director?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Where does that say he is a director?

http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010/05/alan-sabrosky-large-majority-of-us-jews.html

 

[erwinl]

http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010/05/alan-sabrosky-large-majority-of-us-jews.html

That's a blog by somebody else than mr Sabrosky. Not really proof of anything.

But we read.
'....... Alan Sabrosky bills himself as the former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College. ..........'

A sceptic person would deduce from that that, that the blogger also has no proof of that and that he is covering himself when it turns out the claim is not true.

 

[minnemouse]

So Holland is just a marketing scammer?

If not please provide something substantive from his resume.

Something like Alan's.

Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College.

Are you serious? Wait, you are, based on the post I´ve read from you.

Alrighty then; I will use my pipette and feed this to you and itsy bitsy portions:

Holland has written a piece about this Sabrosky, and quoted Sabrosky himself, quoted Veterans today, AND contacted the press office at US Army War college, AND used and quoted other sources. To do this you need a phd???

Its hilarious that a "truther" dismisses Holland based on having or not having anything "substantial" on their resumé. If that was a prerequisition to post on the internet, the "truther" movement would have died out before it saw the light of day.

But if you insist; why don´t you tell me what you got on your resumé, that would give you credibility to post in here or anywhere else?

You really dont get it; even the title of the video of your non-jewish jewish friend, is a lie - and even a 7 year old could figure that out. It appears that you couldn´t.

 

[The Unamazing Adam]

Misinformation regarding Adam Holland

I'm the blogger who wrote the piece about Sabrosky referenced in this thread. A post here has accused me of being the same Adam Holland who sells internet get-rich-quick schemes, but I'm not. That is another guy who just happens to have the same name.

With respect to my credentials for questioning Sabrosky's expertise: I don't claim any. All I do is present easily verifiable facts. I provide the links and/or sourced information that any reader can recreate for him- or herself. Sabrosky, on the other hand, relies entirely on his dubious credentials as an insider with special knowledge concerning what most of the military high command believe in their heart of hearts. Based on the "information" which he claims to have derived from his insider status, he asks his readers to take on faith that his incredible implausible theory concerning a massive secret conspiracy is true. I debunked his absurd claims by showing that he could not realistically have any such information.

To recap: I am not an internet scammer, but Alan Sabrosky is.

If any Alan Sabrosky supporters actually have any information which verifies what he says about U.S. military top brass believing Israel to be responsible for 9/11, please post it here or send it to me at adamhollandblog (AT) gmail (DOT) com. Otherwise, please stop playing the fool.

 

[NoahFence]

Last time I looked, if a person says he is the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College and, he is indeed the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College, then he is Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College.

And he's a liar. Like ALL "truthers".

 

[NoahFence]

I'm the blogger who wrote the piece about Sabrosky referenced in this thread. A post here has accused me of being the same Adam Holland who sells internet get-rich-quick schemes, but I'm not. That is another guy who just happens to have the same name.

Welcome!
Pay no attention to that accusation. You'll find truthers make an awful lot of accusations, with no intention of backing them up honestly. Wear it like a badge of honor!

How were you alerted to this sillyness anyway?

 

[uke2se]

Welcome!
Pay no attention to that accusation. You'll find truthers make an awful lot of accusations, with no intention of backing them up honestly. Wear it like a badge of honor!

How were you alerted to this sillyness anyway?

Twoofer, anti-semite, anti-vaxer and holocaust denier in this particular case.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I'm the blogger who wrote the piece about Sabrosky referenced in this thread. A post here has accused me of being the same Adam Holland who sells internet get-rich-quick schemes, but I'm not. That is another guy who just happens to have the same name.

With respect to my credentials for questioning Sabrosky's expertise: I don't claim any. All I do is present easily verifiable facts. I provide the links and/or sourced information that any reader can recreate for him- or herself. Sabrosky, on the other hand, relies entirely on his dubious credentials as an insider with special knowledge concerning what most of the military high command believe in their heart of hearts. Based on the "information" which he claims to have derived from his insider status, he asks his readers to take on faith that his incredible implausible theory concerning a massive secret conspiracy is true. I debunked his absurd claims by showing that he could not realistically have any such information.

To recap: I am not an internet scammer, but Alan Sabrosky is.

If any Alan Sabrosky supporters actually have any information which verifies what he says about U.S. military top brass believing Israel to be responsible for 9/11, please post it here or send it to me at adamhollandblog (AT) gmail (DOT) com. Otherwise, please stop playing the fool.

Last time I looked, if a person says he had been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College and, he had indeed been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College, then he had been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College.


Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/sabrosky/
I think Alan is a straight up guy. He's a vet. He's got a PH.D. He's a graduate of the US Army War College. I'm sure he has a lot of drag on the military grapevine.

 

[NoahFence]

Last time I looked, if a person says he had been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College and, he had indeed been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College, then he had been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College.

He was the Director of Studies at the US Army War College.

AND

He's a liar.

 

[minnemouse]

I'm the blogger who wrote the piece about Sabrosky referenced in this thread. A post here has accused me of being the same Adam Holland who sells internet get-rich-quick schemes, but I'm not. That is another guy who just happens to have the same name.

With respect to my credentials for questioning Sabrosky's expertise: I don't claim any. All I do is present easily verifiable facts. I provide the links and/or sourced information that any reader can recreate for him- or herself. Sabrosky, on the other hand, relies entirely on his dubious credentials as an insider with special knowledge concerning what most of the military high command believe in their heart of hearts. Based on the "information" which he claims to have derived from his insider status, he asks his readers to take on faith that his incredible implausible theory concerning a massive secret conspiracy is true. I debunked his absurd claims by showing that he could not realistically have any such information.

To recap: I am not an internet scammer, but Alan Sabrosky is.

If any Alan Sabrosky supporters actually have any information which verifies what he says about U.S. military top brass believing Israel to be responsible for 9/11, please post it here or send it to me at adamhollandblog (AT) gmail (DOT) com. Otherwise, please stop playing the fool.

Hiya, Adam
Since I was the one that quoted you, I dragged you into this insane thread. I apologize for that. I did it because I found what you wrote both believeable and very interesting. AND you had good sources (yup; I clicked every link).

Having read many posts and watched many vids posted by these so called truthers, I dont take ANYTHING from them at face value. They have a...how can I put this....a whole other perception of truth than the sane. It has made me a lot more critical to everything I read, so checking sources is important to me. Now; if the twoofers had the same attitude, the world would be a much more honest and clear place

So keep up your good work exposing these youtube liars, and please stick around - we could need more people that dont swallow anything they see on yoootoooobe - lock, stock and two smoking barrels!

 

[Sabrina]

Last time I looked, if a person says he had been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College and, he had indeed been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College, then he had been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College.


Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/sabrosky/
I think Alan is a straight up guy. He's a vet. He's got a PH.D. He's a graduate of the US Army War College. I'm sure he has a lot of drag on the military grapevine.

A search of VetFriends and The National Archives can find no mention of an Alan Sabrosky being a veteran of the US Marines. Doesn't mean he wasn't, but that's telling right there.

Plus, a detailed search of every available faculty/staff page on the US Army War College website finds absolutely no mention of any position known as "Director of Studies". There are a few positions with "Director" and "Studies" in the titles, but it's generally positions such as "Director of National Security Studies" and the like. I find this to be highly suspicious.

The guy may very well be a vet, but I'm suspicious of his so-called credentials regarding the US Army War College. It seems to me, that if such a position existed, it would be listed among their faculty.

I also find it telling that nearly every Google result with the words "us army war college director of studies" (a phrase with no mention whatsoever of Mr. Sabrosky) turn up a mention of this Alan Sabrosky, but none of them have any ties whatsoever to the actual US Army War College website, and in fact most of them are conspiracy websites such as godlikeproductions.

In short, I doubt that Mr. Sabrosky, whatever his military credentials, ever had a position at the US Army War College. And if he is only a ten-year veteran, the likelihood becomes even less. Faculty at senior military schools are generally at least O-5 or above; it would be virtually impossible to reach the rank of Lieutenant Colonel or the equivalent in any military service that quickly. I have served ten years myself, and am still only an O-3 (Captain, for you laypeople).

I'm willing to entertain evidence to the contrary, but for right now, I call BS on Mr. Sabrosky's claim of being affiliated with the US War College at any point.

 

[alienentity]

Last time I looked, if a person says he had been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College and, he had indeed been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College, then he had been the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College.


Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/sabrosky/
I think Alan is a straight up guy. He's a vet. He's got a PH.D. He's a graduate of the US Army War College. I'm sure he has a lot of drag on the military grapevine.

You must be very naive to believe everything a person claims without doing any fact checking. That's how people get fooled by liars, dude. Now, if you want to get fooled, you go right ahead - don't say you weren't warned!

There isn't a shred of evidence this guy was ever a director of anything at the War College. All you have is his word.

However, when you examine even one of his claims - for example that none of the hijackers were competent to fly a jet - we can easily show that to be false by:
a) viewing copies of their Commercial Pilot qualifications
b) verify that they did in fact have simulation training (which is valid training, btw)


What can you provide about Alan Sabrosky?

Sincerely,
Alienentity
Director of Mythology Studies
University of Guanophrenia
E. Peoria, WI

 

[alienentity]

Furthermore, if any of us could find clear evidence that Mr. Sabrosky is lying about his credentials, I wager it wouldn't stop Clayton Moore from believing in the 9/11 Mythology - he'd probably just jump from one dead myth onto another and sail off into the sunset!

That's why 9/11 Truth is a Zombie Doctrine: You can kill it with facts but it just keeps coming back!

 

[Clayton Moore]

A search of VetFriends and The National Archives can find no mention of an Alan Sabrosky being a veteran of the US Marines. Doesn't mean he wasn't, but that's telling right there.

Plus, a detailed search of every available faculty/staff page on the US Army War College website finds absolutely no mention of any position known as "Director of Studies". There are a few positions with "Director" and "Studies" in the titles, but it's generally positions such as "Director of National Security Studies" and the like. I find this to be highly suspicious.

The guy may very well be a vet, but I'm suspicious of his so-called credentials regarding the US Army War College. It seems to me, that if such a position existed, it would be listed among their faculty.

I also find it telling that nearly every Google result with the words "us army war college director of studies" (a phrase with no mention whatsoever of Mr. Sabrosky) turn up a mention of this Alan Sabrosky, but none of them have any ties whatsoever to the actual US Army War College website, and in fact most of them are conspiracy websites such as godlikeproductions.

In short, I doubt that Mr. Sabrosky, whatever his military credentials, ever had a position at the US Army War College. And if he is only a ten-year veteran, the likelihood becomes even less. Faculty at senior military schools are generally at least O-5 or above; it would be virtually impossible to reach the rank of Lieutenant Colonel or the equivalent in any military service that quickly. I have served ten years myself, and am still only an O-3 (Captain, for you laypeople).

I'm willing to entertain evidence to the contrary, but for right now, I call BS on Mr. Sabrosky's claim of being affiliated with the US War College at any point.

Do you think he lied about being a graduate of the US Army War College?