Merged Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth - (Part 2)

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catsmate1 said:
As a matter of curiosity, does anyone here actually believe DOC was ever an atheist?
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If DOC was an atheist, it was a position that he never reasoned himself into.

I suggest that DOC must tell himself that he was and that the incredible evidence such as he has been presenting here is what finally changed his mind to believe in a particular bit of religion.

That's how DOC has to prove to himself that this is really, really good evidence.
 
I called him out on this ex-atheist/ex-sceptic nonsense a long time ago. He didn't respond to my questions at the time, which strangely, doesn't fit his MO. ;)
 
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DOC said:
Well even if this was true, it would be an ad hom fallacy. Here are some reasons it is not true.

<snip appeal to authority ( Ramsay ) fallacy>

<snip outright lie (no paper )>

Also probably the greatest evangelist who ever lived, the apostle Paul, at one time approved of the killing and persecutions of Christians.
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Everyone here is more than familiar with the wickedness of evangelists, DOC. They're among the worst liars, charlatans, thieves and, dare I say it, all-round sinners that one could ever have the misfortune to encounter.

I'd have thought you'd be wanting to play it down a bit, rather than crowing about it.


DOC said:
And even I was a skeptic/atheist at one time.
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Atheist is the default for every creature that was ever born and there's as little ( zero ) evidence for the skeptic part as there is for all of your other claims, so no points for you in this round I'm afraid.
 
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DOC said:
Some scholars believe that and some don't. As stated, we don't even have a signature in existence for Julius Caesar.
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Rather than have you simply repeat this bilge every time it comes around on your prayer wheel, let's get it settled once and for all.

Do you believe that Julius Cæsar existed?


DOC said:
If someone dug up a scroll in Jerusalem that said, My name is Philip and I was an apostle and I saw Jesus raised from the dead, and the document was verified to be about 2000 years old, would you become a Christian.
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No, because:


  1. resurrection is impossible,

  2. fanfic is not a reliable source of historical information (see: the bible), and

  3. the thing would be an obvious forgery since:

    • they didn't speak English 2000 years ago, and

    • they didn't have paper in those days.
 
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catsmate1 said:
As a matter of curiosity, does anyone here actually believe DOC was ever an atheist?
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I can't reject the notion. Sometimes when a person switches "sides" they become ardent evangelists for their new-found "truth". The person who immediately comes to mind is the now far right advocate who, during his college days, was a true liberal. (I guess he doesn't really come to mind since I can't think of his name. :)).

Anyway, maybe DOC did have a come-to-Jesus moment and has now seen the light and feels the need to help all of us remaining slugs see the same light. Or he has to keep up this nonsense to keep convincing himself that his new TruthTM really is true.









Or he's just full of ****.
 
SezMe said:
I can't reject the notion. Sometimes when a person switches "sides" they become ardent evangelists for their new-found "truth". The person who immediately comes to mind is the now far right advocate who, during his college days, was a true liberal. (I guess he doesn't really come to mind since I can't think of his name. :)).

Anyway, maybe DOC did have a come-to-Jesus moment and has now seen the light and feels the need to help all of us remaining slugs see the same light. Or he has to keep up this nonsense to keep convincing himself that his new TruthTM really is true.









Or he's just full of ****.
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Highlighted my vote!
 
SezMe said:
I can't reject the notion. Sometimes when a person switches "sides" they become ardent evangelists for their new-found "truth". The person who immediately comes to mind is the now far right advocate who, during his college days, was a true liberal. (I guess he doesn't really come to mind since I can't think of his name. :)).
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I remembered!: David Horowitz. My brain is not completely down the toilet. :)
 
RoboTimbo said:
I think all may be made right if perhaps (s)he could answer a question that has been troubling us for some time without answer.

OCaptain, how did Simon the Zealot die?

That should allow us to determine whether the NT writers told the truth or not.
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That's just mean, and you know it is. :D It's like that "how to entertain an idiot with a piece of paper" joke.


welshdean said:
Tra la la, can't hear you, tra la la.
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At the risk of initiating a theological schism, it's "la la la, can't hear you, la la la." Sir Ramsay Jefferson said so.
 
Elizabeth I said:
At the risk of initiating a theological schism, it's "la la la, can't hear you, la la la." Sir Ramsay Jefferson said so.
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Yeah, but Luke l'Historian, the greatest historian in the history of history and historians, said it was "Fa la la hey diddle diddle down dee down down, can't hear thee." He was a traditionalist.
 
DOC said:
Some scholars believe that and some don't. As stated, we don't even have a signature in existence for Julius Caesar.

If someone dug up a scroll in Jerusalem that said, My name is Philip and I was an apostle and I saw Jesus raised from the dead, and the document was verified to be about 2000 years old, would you become a Christian.
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Never! Philip may have been dead drunk when he signed that paper, it may have been a fraud, he may have mistaken one guy for another, any number of reasons why that paper is more than likely not worth a second thought. Forgetting for the moment that today we know with certainty that a corpse doesn't come back to life except in the movies.
 
Lucian said:
Yeah, but Luke l'Historian, the greatest historian in the history of history and historians, said it was "Fa la la hey diddle diddle down dee down down, can't hear thee." He was a traditionalist.
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Yes, but did he sign it? No? Thought not. How do you ever expect to prove anything if you don't even have somebody's signature?
 
Elizabeth I said:
Yes, but did he sign it? No? Thought not. How do you ever expect to prove anything if you don't even have somebody's signature?
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At least we know you're the real deal.


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:)
 
Elizabeth I said:
At the risk of initiating a theological schism, it's "la la la, can't hear you, la la la." Sir Ramsay Jefferson said so.
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Lucian said:
Yeah, but Luke l'Historian, the greatest historian in the history of history and historians, said it was "Fa la la hey diddle diddle down dee down down, can't hear thee." He was a traditionalist.
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Elizabeth I said:
Yes, but did he sign it? No? Thought not. How do you ever expect to prove anything if you don't even have somebody's signature?
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I am very sad to have to break this to you, but you are both wrong. The right words can be found in old, very very vey old, anciently old ancient Sworse: "Ha ha ha hi hi hi, jag hör vad ni säger men det skiter jag i"*. Sir Luke Ramsey-Ross would agree that these are the right words. The evidence for why these words are the right words, is of course that they can be found on rune stones all over Scandinavia. No one would ever have gone to the trouble of carving them on stones if they were not the right words, now would they? They would just have waited until someone invented paper, which would have made it so much easier.

Runestones are why Scandinavians invented the rucksack, by the way, since the stones are far to big to keep in your back pocket. AND runestones are often signed.

*I would have translated the words for you, but since English doesn't have the vowels å, ä and ö, I can't.
 
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