What's Wrong With Saul Alinsky?

Shalamar said:
That is a little closer to the topic of the thread. Did this happen? Is this the reason the GOP seem to dislike him so much? Is this why Newt mentioned him?
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No, it is a silly detour from the topic of the thread, which I have mentioned three times, is answered from the book, Rules for Radicals.

But your assertion shows your attitude, and I've only mentioned stray facts, admittedly, interesting ones, but why waste time with dull ones?
 
mhaze said:
What, may I ask, would you prefer? A blustering red neck shouting opinions, only to fulfill your fantasies of knuckled dragging subhuman opponents in the political sphere?
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Absolutely not. Conservative blowhards whose lack of intellectual acumen is revealed in both the incoherence of their arguments and frequent use of made-up, nonsense words like "irregardless" is entertaining enough.

mhaze said:
It's simply hilarious to find that a conservative should be pressed to lecture and educate those of the radical left on their own principles.
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I don't know how hilarious it is, but it certainly is a fantasy since nothing of the sort has actually taken place here. You are free to leave any time.

Just out of curiosity, mhaze, how many hours a week would you say you spend repeatedly barging into conversations uninvited to inform the participants you will not be taking part in their conversation?

Please select one:

1) Less than 10 hours.
2) 11 - 20 hours.
3) 21 - 30 hours.
4) 30+ hours.
5) Obama is a socialist Muslim.
 
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mhaze said:
No, it is a silly detour from the topic of the thread, which I have mentioned three times, is answered from the book, Rules for Radicals.

But your assertion shows your attitude, and I've only mentioned stray facts, admittedly, interesting ones, but why waste time with dull ones?
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Because you are being dishonest. You are claiming to know something without demonstrating it.
 
mhaze said:
No, it is a silly detour from the topic of the thread, which I have mentioned three times, is answered from the book, Rules for Radicals.

But your assertion shows your attitude, and I've only mentioned stray facts, admittedly, interesting ones, but why waste time with dull ones?
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Why are you trying to steer away from the topic of the thread? Is this an Alynski tactic? Does the book detail why the GOP today dislike him so?
 
mhaze said:
It's simply hilarious to find that a conservative should be pressed to lecture and educate those of the radical left on their own principles.
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I find it hilarious that you think you have a bleedin clue what principles we hold dear.

You also seem to miss the fact that Alinsky's strategies may also work for right-wing lunatics.

Take Turd Blossom Rove.

As far as possible away, please.
 
mhaze said:
Ah...no...by his own admission and characterization the label applies suitably.

How can you assert less of someone who contrives and stages a Fart-In at a orchestral performance, with hundreds of dedicated farters arriving well beaned up and ready to perform their art?
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My opinion is that a fart-in would have been less effective than the ****-in he had planned for O'Hare airport.

Link to the Alinsky Playboy interview a few months before his death http://www.progress.org/2003/alinsky14.htm.
 
Shalamar said:
Why are you trying to steer away from the topic of the thread? Is this an Alynski tactic? Does the book detail why the GOP today dislike him so?
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If it were an Alinsky tactic, how would you know it?
 
mhaze said:
If it were an Alinsky tactic, how would you know it?
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I recognize your methods as right, precisely out of the Alinsky playbook. You're actively, intentionally trying to foment rebellion. That's obvious to any reasonable reader.
 
daenku32 said:
If effective rhetoric considered an "Alinsky tactic"?
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Is any form of rhetoric Alinskian tactic? He was pretty action oriented. How would you know?

jj said:
I recognize your methods as right, precisely out of the Alinsky playbook. You're actively, intentionally trying to foment rebellion. That's obvious to any reasonable reader.
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If that were true, then by not providing information here, I have provided information, and thus ridiculed the fools of the forum, which indeed would be Alinskian.

But if it were not true, then I demonstrate a superior method of dialectic, which neuters the Alinsky dialectic which the left has used for several decades.

Which could it be...

Hmm....

Of course, acting in a fashion to elicit Alinsky tactics from self righteous bigots would effectively provide a demonstration of those tactics, as they might then be enumerated and compared with material from the book he wrote. Wait. Nobody's got the book. Oh. So we must ask (seriously) a question: Can the Alinsky method be handed down such that the new propagators don't even know that is what it is that they do?

Can "useful idiots" exist?
 
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If I get a copy of the book, mhaze, will you finally deign to tell us what you, the GOP, "conservatives", other right-wingers, and especially Newt Gingrich don't like about Alinsky?
 
Shalamar said:
Why are you trying to steer away from the topic of the thread? Is this an Alynski tactic?
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We have a winner! mhaze is having a great time pissing y'all off. Never engage as your opponents request. Standard progressive lefty-lib stuff.

Does the book detail why the GOP today dislike him so?
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Read from cover to cover, with understanding, yes.
 
AlBell said:
Read from cover to cover, with understanding, yes.
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So, the answer to "what aspects of Alinsky's writings and ideology do you dislike so much that you feel the need to namedrop him all the time" is "Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me over all these years"?
 
AlBell said:
We have a winner! mhaze is having a great time pissing y'all off. Never engage as your opponents request. Standard progressive lefty-lib stuff.
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I actually think this is standard MHaze stuff (and before him, BAC would do the same thing).

I'm not sure how two examples of far right wing posters acting this way is evidence of "progressive lefty-lib stuff". Perhaps you could point out in this thread a single lefty-lib acting in such a dishonest and time wasting way?

If not, I might think you're full of crap.
 
ANTPogo said:
If I get a copy of the book, mhaze, will you finally deign to tell us what you, the GOP, "conservatives", other right-wingers, and especially Newt Gingrich don't like about Alinsky?
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Sure, if it isn't immediately obvious. I guess if there are paragraphs or sections that are not understandable, let us know. But Alinsky was a clear and straightforward writer.

AlBell said:
We have a winner! mhaze is having a great time pissing y'all off. Never engage as your opponents request. Standard progressive lefty-lib stuff.


Read from cover to cover, with understanding, yes.
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We can only aspire, and clearly never reach, the diabolical heights of The Architect, Karl Rove. But back to the OP: Was the historian, Gingrich, accurate in describing the Bamster as a zombie incarnation of the Alinsky breed? Can this question NOT BE ANSWERED within the normal spiteful polemic of far left political babble? Is it NECESSARY to actually read to find the answer?

Awww.....

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crimresearch said:
the organizer must begin the task of agitating: rubbing resentments, fanning hostilities, and searching out controversy. This is necessary to get people to participate. An organizer has to attack apathy and disturb the prevailing patterns of complacent community life where people have simply come to accept a situation. Alinsky would say, "The first step in community organization is community disorganization."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals
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How is this different than any organized protest? I would posit that the Tea Partiers "attacked apathy" and "disturbed the prevailing patterns of complacent community life". Nothing wrong with that, is there?
 
Lurker said:
How is this different than any organized protest? I would posit that the Tea Partiers "attacked apathy" and "disturbed the prevailing patterns of complacent community life". Nothing wrong with that, is there?
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I would say 'equally wrong' with wrong being a value judgement.

If someone agrees with the Tea Party, Democrats, Republicans, and so on, then I suspect they would be less likely to see it as wrong.

To me it *all* looks like "all's fair/win at any cost", with the outcome being (as I said) that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, no matter who is employing such methods.
 
Unabogie said:
I'm not sure how two examples of far right wing posters acting this way is evidence of "progressive lefty-lib stuff".
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I was wondering the same thing. But I'm sure there are things happening here at at level beyond are comprehension because mhaze is real smart and he knows stuff.
 
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