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Rick Santorum is an idiot, a bigot, and morally inconsistent...

Robert Prey said:
It sure can't help with the propagation of the species, can it?
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Should heterosexual couples who can't or don't want to have children be prevented from getting married? How long should young newlyweds be allowed to stay married without having children? Are couples who have children outside of wedlock forced to marry? Is divorce illegal if you have children?

Hmmmm...maybe marriage isn't just about having children.

-Bri
 
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Robert Prey said:
Which proves what? That homosexuals have taken over the dictionary business perhaps? Or, the moral decadence of Western Civilization? Both, I suspect.
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Your assertion that gay marriage is not marriage is simply question begging in the debate on the legalization of gay marriage. It does not point to how things ought be.

There was a time when mixed race marriages weren't legal either. That does nothing to argue what ought be legal or illegal.

ETA: And what you call "moral decadence" people in future generations will see as progress toward the vision of an egalitarian society our country was founded on. (People once considered women's suffrage and the abolition of slavery to be immoral too.)
 
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Bri said:
Should heterosexual couples who can't or don't want to have children be prevented from getting married? How long should young newlyweds be allowed to stay married without having children? Are couples who have children outside of wedlock forced to marry? Is divorce illegal if you have children?

Hmmmm...maybe marriage isn't just about having children.

-Bri
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And to play Robert Prey's own game, there's nothing in the dictionary definition that prohibits marriage from people who've had vasectomies or otherwise can't produce children.

I would hate to live in the society that Robert Prey has in mind. In that world, women past menopause can't get married.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Your assertion that gay marriage is not marriage is simply question begging in the debate on the legalization of gay marriage. It does not point to how things ought be.

There was a time when mixed race marriages weren't legal either. That does nothing to argue what ought be legal or illegal.

ETA: And what you call "moral decadence" people in future generations will see as progress toward the vision of an egalitarian society our country was founded on. (People once considered women's suffrage and the abolition of slavery to be immoral too.)
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The logical extension of homosexual "marriage" is no procreation -- no people at all to extol your utopian egalitarian society. Witness the declining birth rates amongst European Caucasians -- so liberated they are trending to extinct. It's not nice to try to fool Mother Nature.
 
Robert Prey said:
The logical extension of homosexual "marriage" is no procreation -- no people at all to extol your utopian egalitarian society. Witness the declining birth rates amongst European Caucasians -- so liberated they are trending to extinct. It's not nice to try to fool Mother Nature.
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So convenient for you to ignore surrogate childbirth which both homosexual and heterosexual parents have used.
 
Upchurch said:
How is that relevant to marriage? More to the point, what does that have to do with gay marriage and the claim that it effects straight marriage?

You've avoided addressing the topic on any meaningful level with just about every post. It's almost as if you are unable to support a ban on gay marriage.
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Homosexual marriage undermines the basic unit of human society -- a family headed up by male and female, mother and father.
 
Robert Prey said:
The logical extension of homosexual marriage is no surrogate children available.
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My wife & i are in Vermont. Vermont has homosexual marriage. We are having a baby in March. Do you think the guys are going to come & take our baby?
 
joobz said:
Wait, You used the dictionary as a defense for how marriage is defined.
When this same approach was used to contradict your argument, you claimed a grand conspiracy as a way of invalidating the argument by definition.

Sorry, you don't get to have it both ways. Either you agree that resorting to the dictionary is a valid argument or it isn't.
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Traditional dictionary definition backed up by 10,000 or so years of human experience trumps any conveniently contrived definition of a temporary moment in time.
 
Robert Prey said:
Homosexual marriage undermines the basic unit of human society -- a family headed up by male and female, mother and father.
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My wife is female. I am male. We will be a mother & father. How has gay marriage undermined this?
 
Robert Prey said:
Traditional dictionary definition backed up by 10,000 or so years of human experience
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Oh, hell no.

The idea that marriage has been "one man, one woman" for all of recorded history is one of the more bizarre pieces of fiction brought out by the bigots. Where they came up with it, I have no idea; even their own Bible shows polygamy as being the norm.
 
Skepticemea said:
How will that destroy heterosexual marriage? It's not like non-hetero sexuality is increasing massively. Most reports I've seen suggest that numbers remain pretty flat. The population of the planet is growning as well (we've hit the 7bn mark apparently).

So, more people, more children, more hetero-marriages, n'est-ce pas?
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Only if you're 3rd world.
 
Cleon said:
Oh, hell no.

The idea that marriage has been "one man, one woman" for all of recorded history is one of the more bizarre pieces of fiction brought out by the bigots. Where they came up with it, I have no idea; even their own Bible shows polygamy as being the norm.
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Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve. (Bible)
 
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